“The Trump Administration has a zero tolerance policy for criminal behavior …”
Dude that’s your entire administration. Have some self-awareness, you orange, sagging, coffin dodging oxygen thief.
Who, Trump the thirty-two times felon?
Never met the guy. We’re talking the 34 felony convicted man.
Oh, right, 34 felonies. So far.
34 convicted felonies so far
Don’t forget rapist. Probably liked them young, like his buddy Epstein.
allegedly he asked epstein for a 13 year old that looked like his daughter.
And heres a lives of the rich and famous type show where ivanka shows us her childhood bedroom. Watch her face after she shows her bed, right near the end. She looks like she’s about to fall apart.
Based on his comments and Katie Johnson’s testimony, I don’t believe he ever had sex with Ivanka, though he very obviously wanted to. I can imagine based on her reaction in that video that he assaulted her in some way, though, like groping.
“Aides said [Donald Trump] talked about Ivanka Trump’s breasts, her backside, and what it might be like to have sex with her, remarks that once led John Kelly to remind the president that Ivanka was his daughter,” Taylor wrote, recalling an alleged exchange with Kelly, who served as Trump’s chief of staff between 2017 and 2019.
“Afterward, Kelly retold that story to me in visible disgust. Trump, he said, was ‘a very, very evil man.’” source
Trump assaulted Jill Harth repeatedly in the early 1990s. On one occasion he pulled her into Ivanka’s empty room in Mar-a-Lago to try to have sex with her on Ivanka’s bed. source
Ugh. He’s such a monster.
Considering that he and Epstein used to fly on Trump Airlines flights with a bunch of the contestants for Trump Beauty Pagents that Trump said he liked to surprise “by opening the door while they were in the changing room,” one doesn’t have to guess too hard on that one.
Have some self-awareness
The hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug. Don’t waste your time.
It’s not just the red administration, all the government is rigged and most politicians are criminals.
You’re both sidesing sending the national guard to a left wing protest?!
It has begun. Trump unleashing the army against the population fighting against his gestapo.
I am very fearful that many protesters will be murdered in the coming days.
And things will deteriorate quickly
I expect them to switch to live ammo within the month
I think days, weeks if we’re lucky
I hope it is weeks. I am not ready for conflict, I only had two lessons regarding firearms. I will need at least a month to sometimes hit targets at 25 meters, and to find other likeminded people.
Boston Massacre 2.0?
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in a post on X that the Defense Department is “mobilizing the National Guard IMMEDIATELY to support federal law enforcement in Los Angeles. And, if violence continues, active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized — they are on high alert.” ~ABC News
They are already threatening to send in Marines…
They’ve been jerking themselves off to deploying the military against California for decades. This is their fantasy come true and they can hardly wait.
Makes me think of this song.
Der da dum der da dum
Does that source explain how they’ll circumvent Posse Comitatus?
Nope, but using active military is no different than federalized National Guard. Both are title 10 troops and the use of either is the same under under Posse Comitatus. This is already Martial Law.
You say that like Trump cares about the law or will listen to the supreme Court in the unlikely event that they agree to hear this case before he’s dead or that they rule against him. The evil rapist has been ignoring the law a long long time.
In a different article it says that he would use the Insurrection Act of 1807 so somebody cares about the law of the appearance. They’ve already listened to rulings from the courts, albeit slowly and impartially.
There’s a huge difference between obedience and respect for the law and cherry picking laws, taking them out of context and quoting them to the media. Trump does the latter, and threatens courts of law that do the former.
I just want to take a moment to say the “Biden was no better than Trump” crowd can go fuck themselves.
No no, you see, voting for Biden would be voting for this too, somehow. Because they are part of the same system, or something? Both sides same and all that.
Honestly the mental gymnastics are too much for me to effectively work out into a distilled comment.
These things are always so annoying and uncritical. They are not wrong that the democrats are a conservative party, but that is still where the current progressive movement lives.
I think there is a bit of a trap in seeing the maga rise as a monolith, but I think there are two main wings. The evangelical side and the libertarian side. They might have some overlap, but their motivations and goals are still rather distinct. The important take away for this short essay of sorts is that they have agreed on enough points to move the overton window to get large parts of what they want. For the evangelicals it is abortion bans and ten commandments in schools. In the libertarian wing it is DOGE (inspired by the libertarian president in argentina)
Tankies and others who say “Biden was no better than Trump” are really messing up our ability to have a leftist/progressive party. In either growing it with-in the dems or starting from scratch. I want to understand what they are saying, but it is frustrating how unserious they are in actually achieving goals.
How about “America has always been a shit show, and Trump is the parody version”?
trump isn’t the parody version… he is the logical, and inevitable end point. he is the perfect avatar and representation of what america is, what it stands for, and what it has ALWAYS stood for! trump is the perfect president because he so perfectly encapsulates every single american value: he is lazy, fat, stupid, corrupt, proudly ignorant and scared of anything he doesnt understand.
how do you look at 250 years of american history and not see that he represents exactly what made america ‘great’? genocide, slavery, segregation and jim crow laws…
What are you accomplishing right now?
They accomplished saying the people that helped get us here with idiotic false rhetoric can go fuck themselves. I’ll add preferably with something sharp.
Nobody claimed that
Literally millions of people claimed that
Only republican cultists
They were so hard to tell from genuine but deluded leftists.
'cept the entire tankieverse saying that you shouldn’t vote for Biden (later Harris) because they’re the ones causing the genocide in Gaza. Like yes, they did jack all to fix it, but we all knew Trump would be even worse. Telling that to just about any tankie resulted in “How can it get any worse than genocide? Voting for Biden/Harris means you voted for genocide” or something along those lines.
Didn’t take very long for Trump to go “lol Gaza is prime beachfront property tho, let’s get em fuckers out” after he got his throne back.
They actively courted the likes of Dick Cheney. They are perfectly fine with what’s happening right now
Oh yeah it was definitely fucked up. But at least we didn’t end up with Harris, so the world is saved.
No, the world remains fucked up in either case.
Two different topics. Giving billions of dollars and unlimited diplomatic backup vs giving billions of dollar and unlimited diplomatic backup. There is nothibg different when it comes to gaza. But i never saw people here saying trump would be better for american
It’s less that anyone said he’d be better for Americans and more that everyone said don’t vote for Harris, while Trump received no criticism. Getting dem voters to stay home is an old old republican strategy and the tankies definitely helped.
We are not Dem voters
Oh sorry, republican voter and/or republican helper.
Y’all take us for granted but give us nothing 🤷🏻♀️
Are you blind and deaf?
No
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Your mother surely didn’t taught you how to be civilized
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Lol
the people downvoting you are morons and i’m not sure why they’re even here.
Funny how he doesn’t hesitate here, but when Congress was literally in danger of being fucking lynched on Jan 6, he didn’t do shit.
Only because Republicans despise California and Californians with all of their being.
He was in charge of the lynching
You don’t call for a flag on the play when it’s your team causing the penalty
Whatever side of this issue you fall on, you should at least know that, tactics-wise, joining with the LAPD to do raids in Eastside LA is not going to work how you think it will. There’s movies, albums, books, historic moments in living memory, etc. that warn about that. Start in Sacramento or wherever. Don’t expect East LA to care about your “authority.”
The powerful and their goons seem to have forgotten that sure they can roll up anywhere with an army and overpower protesters, but that’s not going to solve this. It’s just going to start a true resistance.
There have been few times in history where resistance forces have fought state forces on an open battlefield.
As seen historically, a typical resistance force will harrass the enemy. Bomb their buildings, stockpiles, and infrastructure. Wait until the state goons are alone, at their homes, at the bar, in a grocery store and then that’s when they kill them.
All sending the national gaurd in to kill protesters will result in is a true resitance forming.
The powerful have forgotten what it was like to be afraid to leave their fortresses
I hope a true resistance is born of this. We need to band together and rise up!
Agreed. If protestor blood is spilled, it will foment a resistance that will build.
One word - drones.
Only useful if you know when and where someone will be. Obviously heightens surveillance capabilities, but they can’t be everywhere at once
I’m pretty sure they were throwing drones in on the side of the people, not the government.
Plus regular people can get hold of drones too.
You should look at the fields in Ukraine strewn with the fiber optic cables of 100’s of kamikaze drones.
I mean yeah the US military always has the option to raze entire cities to sniff out a resistance. I doubt that will be done
I don’t think the threat is coming from the military in this case, it’s coming from MAGA.
I hope I’m not giving too much credit for a strategy, npbut it might just be an attempt to provoke a reaction. Either California backs down or they resist and there’s an excuse to take over. Look for a bunch of masked thugs to try to arrest Newsom for “treason”
I don’t know history well…do tell or link some reads?
This has been going on so long that there’s an 80’s Cheech and Chong parody song about it.
The 1992 riots started in South Central, which is historically African American. East L.A. is sort of the hub of Hispanic “immigrants.” (immigrants in quotes there because America swiped that land after the Mexican-American war; lots of Hispanic Americans didn’t cross the border but had the border cross them).
I don’t live there. I’m just an enthusiastic idiot. I love Los Angeles. So, I can’t do its history justice. Hopefully, someone else can. I have friends there and I go there a fair bit but it’s not my hometown so I don’t want to misrepresent L.A. (I live in New Orleans so L.A. and LA—the postal code for Louisiana—get mixed up a lot. So, I use L.A. for the city. No one else does.)
It’s just Cheech on the song …the two had split up by that point and Tommy Chong refused to have any part of it.
My apologies. I wasn’t following their career closely when I was 7.
The Irish resistance is the closest analogue to what that kind of armed resistance would look like.
East LA. The best Pawnshops in America!
These people are protesting against extrajudicial deportation, deporting children, harassing legal immigrants, the Nazi government, etc.
It’s not a fucking immigration protest. They didn’t deploy the military for immigration protests. People spoke out against Nazis and the military was called in.
Yeah, it’s no longer an “immigration protest”. It’s a NAZI protest.
Maybe a bit of a hot take, but I think Trump is also doing this at least partly to distract from his spat with Musk’s Epstein implications. Not to mention Trump’s upcoming parade. Also, keep in mind that 2,000 Nat’l guard troops is surprisingly low, especially for an area the size of L.A. In '92 they brought in almost 10,000.
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous about this, too, but personally I believe people need to keep their cool, here. I’m seeing a lot of doom spiraling and panicking all over the place online and we need to be mindful of how this affects us mentally and emotionally.
We’re in the long game.
This is basically my take as well, Californian cities are fucking massive and 2,000 people in LA especially is barely a drop in the bucket. Also these are National guardsmen who may very well be pissed they are being sent to stand around outside in LA during the summer, the concrete and blacktop does not let go of heat easily.
Edit: Bucket not bugget, my auto correct is on bath salts.
Also, a number of them will agree with protesters.
And there’s another factor, out of any militarized element in the US the national guard have the potential to be the least threatening. They were affected by the post Vietnam reforms just like the rest of the branches, especially after Kent state. Fact of the matter is the guardsmen are far more likely to take issue with ICE and the police in general, reminder that quite a few came forward after the BLM protests saying they wanted to defend the protestors from the police.
Mind you that doesn’t eliminate risks involved but it does mean that there is far far more potential for this to utterly backfire in Trump’s face.
reminder that quite a few came forward after the BLM protests saying they wanted to defend the protestors from the police.
And did they? No.
They are cowards who do what they’re told. After this is over, they will do the same. Disobeying or having remorse now would just be all too inconvenient… Saying “sorry, I actually didn’t want to be Gestapo, but did it anyways” is not a valid defense.
The foundation of action is started with but a single brick. The National Guard weren’t rolled out till later on into the BLM protests after they had in many ways started to wind down and stabilize. The current Guardsmen are being deployed at the start, after already being fucked over by Trump via VA cuts and other more general bullshit.
Call me general wait and see but it’s too early to make any calls with too many factors, this could turn into a massacre, a revolution, or the Guardsmen could get pissed off and butcher ICE. It’s still too early and chaotic to make calls. Not like I’m any help beyond trying to cool nerves, too volatile to protest and I am reliant on my MAGA grandmother. Pisses me the fuck off that I have to live through this bullshit.
Not like I’m any help beyond trying to cool nerves, too volatile to protest and I am reliant on my MAGA grandmother.
I mean she’s not gonna disown you… right?
I had an elderly parent threaten to throw me out onto the streets. They had fallen while nude, I called the fire department for help, and asked if they could send personnel the same gender as my parent. Ever since being threatened for trying to be considerate, I haven’t trusted that parent ever since.
Sure, it might be dementia or something…but I still can’t help but feel that was my parent’s genuine feelings about me.
Probably not but it’s the difference between going under the radar and being scrutinized. She would likely push me to move to the cabin in Idaho if I did something, which frankly speaking would be a far worse position to be in.
Yeah, that’s why they’re pointing guns at them. They’re really sorry though, so it’s okay.
Fuck you. I was one of those soldiers and I’d like to think that some of the hundreds of raped and murdered university of Baghdad students would like a word with you. The amount of young women’s bodies we dredged out of Z lake…
I get it. They/we whatever, aren’t the good guys as long as they’re taking orders from bad guys, but there are people who would be teetering on the edge, who want to do the right thing. Maybe not enough to cancel itself out, but certainly enough to hinder itself enough to get a jump on things to make things truly equal.
Its always important to differentiate between the individual policeman and the institution of the police, when criticising. It is absolutely necessary that people step up for the safety of everyone and protect them (which is what the police is supposed to do/does). The problem is, that since the police has the monopoly to excerpt violence and this monopoly is controlled by the state it is a tool for those in power to preserve their power and demolish resistance.
This is alsobwhy I dont really like slogans like ACAB, since it sets the policeman who probably has very good intentions and does great work on the same level of “ceiticising” something" than the flaws that police sadly has.
Ok?
The US Military didn’t decide to invade Iraq because they wanted to do good deeds, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t also aid some people along the way. The US Forces invaded over lies and caused mass death and destruction in exchange for political power and money. It wasn’t a war for a good cause, and lead to increased extremism in the Middle East.
Back to the original topic: I generally agree, but am only pessimistic about their numbers and ability to actually resist.
You’re not wrong. I’m not saying it was a justifiable conflict by any means. But many of us were given orders to go to a place in support of something we didn’t agree with. The difference between that and firing on us civilians is huge. From my personal experience, I say you have far more to worry about from police/troopers than any military force.
The difference between killing and oppressing innocent people in a foreign country and innocent people in America is only “huge” if you don’t see the former group of people as human beings.
OK, but put simply, police forces exist to enforce laws, military forces exist to kill enemies. This is why there are laws to prevent military forces from being deployed domestically. Their jobs are very different, and neither is truly qualified to do the job of the other.
The amount of young women’s bodies we dredged out of Z lake…
K. Literally just, k. That doesn’t justify anything and you know that, so why bring it up?
Well the guys that were doing it aren’t exactly doing it anymore. The point was that although the reasons for going there were bullshit, some good was done. I personally delivered dozens of loads of school supplies to schools built by the army. These weren’t replacements for bombed schools, they were new ones in rural areas where schools didn’t exist.
I know. I know. That’s no excuse for any of what happened, obviously. I’m just saying not everyone that raises their arm for the oath is a monster, and many join with good intent. Cops on the other hand…
No its not to distract from Musk. He is lowballing deployment so if/when it doesnt work and he deploys the actual Army or Marines it will seem “reasonable”. He is 100% looking for a reason to fuck California hard and will get it.
I think the lack of numbers is intentional. Trump and the Heritage Foundation want a violent response to justify an even more violent reaction. They’re looking to have the national guard be not enough to make it look like immigrants and the left are a threat to be dealt with and showing them hurting National Guard troops would elevate the narrative to a military threat at the civilian level. They want someone to brick a national guardsmen, I’d wager they want a few guardsmen to die, it would give them everything they need, they could declare martial law and stop elections, then they send in the marines.
There are good odds we’ll get an iconic photo out of this, like the Kent State massacre. But I don’t know if we’re so post-truth that anyone would care.
Photo I’m thinking of is on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
You mean the Man who Deployed Secret Police in his FIRST TERM is Deploying the National Guard in his SECOND TERM? I did NAZI This coming!
If you don’t own a gun, its time to get one, regardless of your stance on them. This is martial law without having to call it that.
Gavin Newson specifically said that he did not ask for or need the 2,000 troops and that sending to LA would only make things worse.
Sooo, there’s that.
Legally I believe the National Guard must be mobilized for a legal reason and until Trump has identified an actual cause, he cannot mobilize them himself. So Newson should just order them to stand down.
Newson hasn’t done that though.
“oh, Trump wouldn’t do that, it’s illegal”
Phew, what a relief!
Also, when Trump does illegal stuff, people tend to allow it and obey him. If they try to shut him down using the legal system, he goes ahead and does it anyway.
I kind of just roll my eyes when someone says, “Aha, it’s illegal! He can’t do that!” We don’t really live in that world anymore.
My emphasis was more on Newsom not ordering them to stand down. They’re under his command until a legal order from the POTUS supercedes his command.
There is no challenging the military as the citizenry. This is terrible advice.
What we should be doing is encouraging insubordination by service members. Why the fuck would you agree to use military force against your fellow Americans, on American soil? Not only is that unconstitutional, it’s simply not what you signed up for. Say no
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of South America would disagree with you.
Anyway. GovCo can’t win anyway. Not even in open hot war. They don’t have the numbers.
Military and Natl Guard combined are less than 3,000,000 people. And that includes the logistics that makes it all work. They couldn’t handle Afghanistan and its <50,000,000 people.
You overestimate how willing people are to throw their bodies at the problem. Things have to be so bad that they expect to die anyway. Otherwise, your militia sign-ups will be limited to only those most brave, ideological, or stupid.
You also underestimate how much more effective military training and ordinances are among the US military vs militias. If they really wanted to mow down civilians, it would be fish in a barrel, even if everyone in the militia is armed.
This is why the hope is that US service men are committed to the constitution and not to Drumpf’s orders. It’s a thin hope.
They’re committed to the paycheck. Don’t be naive. Do you think American soldiers are uniquely unable to carry out atrocities? That sweet salty buttery baby jesus is gonna reach down, touch their hearts and make them defy orders? I’ll refer you to uh, the last 25 years of action in the middle east.
This empire is dying live on TV. And all of them so far have ended bloody. We won’t be the exception.
I did say it was a thin hope (well I said ‘thing’ but I’ve corrected it now).
But I think you give your service men too little credit. Even the police. How many fatalities or even serious injuries have actually occurred during protest activities? These a generally not people who want to kill anyone, particularly not their American brothers and sisters. But when one side dehumanizes the other, all bets are off. If things actually become life threatening, then everything changes. Kill or be killed.
I’m happy to be surprised. But I have set my expectations appropriately low.
I expect some inciting event over the summer. Someone gets killed by the feds and those protests really do turn into real riots. Then the clown prince will escalate. Open war by Christmas.
Like I said. I’m happy to be proven wrong. I would be delighted to be proven wrong. Maybe we’ll luck out and he’ll have a stroke mid ramble or maybe some general will shoot the bastard during his military parade. But I don’t think we’re that lucky.
Another possible is a general strike. That Union leader they black bagged earlier this week. He hasn’t been released yet. If they try to deport him on some trumped up bullshit that’s gonna have an apocalyptic backlash from basically every union except the police union.
Most states have a token State Guard that answers only to their governor, not the federal government. If Trump keeps this shit up, states are going to start disbanding their National Guard units, and shifting them into State control.
Except Trunp federalized the California National Guard, bypassing Newsome, that’s a pretty big problem. Newsome is suing Trunp. In the meantime - violence on citizens by cops and Trunp-allied forces continues.
Except Trunp federalized the California state force
No, he did not. He federalized the California National guard. The State Guard is a lesser-known organization that answers solely to the Governor. They cannot be federalized. Which is why we’re probably going to be seeing states putting more of their resources into their State Guards and less into their National Guard units.
As for the CA National Guard: Article I, Section 8, Clause 16. The State retains the sole authority to appoint the officers of the Militia.
10 USC 246. The National Guard is the Militia.
Newsom has the authority to appoint the officers of the National Guard. Revoking the appointments of the Commissioned and Non-Commissioned officers of the California National Guard, he effectively disbands the organization.
Trump has no authority to override Newsom’s authority here.
Edited to correct.
There is no challenging the military as the citizenry
Says someone from the nation that mainly loses military conflicts with the citizenry…
Where do you think I’m from?
Based on your statement referencing the constitution I would say the states, but if I am mistaken then I apologize.
Oh nah, I’m from the south. We’re all descendents of the British colonies at the end of the day though.
Rereading your comment, I can appreciate the irony. I guess I’m trying to talk my American friends out of aspiring toward the next civil war. I don’t think they realize just how good they have it despite the police crack downs. It’s what gives me some small hope if actually ordered to fire on civilians… They wouldn’t.
yeah. not with that attitude.
This is actually insane. Bringing tanks to a knife fight… except it’s not even a knife fight it’s a thumb war. This is going to cause country wide rioting and Trump’s only recourse will be to further up the anti. I feel worried for you guys.
This is all predictable. By next summer, besides more immigration crimes, we’ll have food and product shortages, massive tariff-driven inflation, an economy roiling over his constant market manipulation, Luigi’s trial, arrests of prominent politicians and resistors, etc. There will be protests against all of these issues and more, and he will use those protests to stir up trouble and create violence.
By next summer it will get really ugly, and he’ll declare Martial Law, and suspend the Midterm election, so he can preserve his Congressional majorities.
Without Skum to rig the election, he will have no choice but to go with the Martial Law option.
next summer
You are more optimistic than I
It’s about legal timing, at which HitlerPig is a virtuoso, due to plenty of practice. If he declares Martial Law too early, he gives the courts time to rule against him when he suspends the election, which is the primary objective.
So he will use the next year and a few months to keep amping up the rhetoric, the atrocities, the violence, until it is out of control next summer. He’ll allow the primary race to go on, giving MAGA the opportunity to spread their propaganda, and finally cancel the election only a few weeks before.
Until then, it’s all about escalation.
Also, next summer is July 4 2026- a nice round 250 years since July 4 1776. So I don’t know what’s planned but I would be surprised if it’s nothing. Then in November the midterm elections, which really are the test of whether their whole Project 2025 revolution succeeds or fails. If the system continues to work as usual, Republicans lose control of congress. If not, everyone realizes we’ve already had our last free and fair election and the fix is in for 2028 too. So that’s going to be an interesting four months.
I don’t foresee any elections getting cancelled. Russia has ‘elections’. North Korea has ‘elections…’ What I do see happening is “Antifa” getting officially designated as a terrorist organization, and using AI to mass analyze who is probably an "antifa member " and enough of them being detained around the election in all the right counties to ensure that Democrats can’t win.
Interesting points. HitlerPig is planning a big birthday celebration for himself, complete with military parade, but they haven’t said a word about what should be an enormous national celebration next year.
I do think they will suspend elections, because our elections are too separated. We don’t have one election, we have 50. Russia, NK, etc. only have a single election to rig, and the guy at the top controls it. I’m positive MAGA rigged the last one, but they had the help of the richest tech Oligarch in the world, and at least one foreign leader, all of whom were working toward that for years, and they were only trying to control the election of a single candidate. A Congressional election would require successfully rigging hundreds of elections simultaneously. If they screw up only a handful, power shifts to the Dems, giving them investigative, subpoena, and arrest powers, and they can’t have that.
Suspending elections will cause a huge, historic uproar, but it is also declares the inevitable to the world and history - America is no longer a Democratic nation, it is controlled by MAGA for all time. Just like Israel has decided that now is finally the time to clear out Gaza, MAGA believes that now is finally the time to take America for themselves.
more immigration crimes
You really mean, more trumped up, fabricated, magnified and fake news, immigration crimes.
Why wait until next summer - it’s happening now.
The reason they will wait until next summer is because of the timing. If they declare Martial Law now, and suspend elections (the real objective), they have more than a year to fight about it, and get the courts and the SCOTUS to rule on it, with plenty of time to deal with the aftermath.
But if they just spend the next year escalating it into chaos, then declare Martial Law next Fall, and suspend elections, it will be too late for the courts to do anything about it before Election Day passes, and once it passes, it’s over.
They could impose Martial Law now, and just not suspend elections until next Fall, but they need the people to get really fired up first, so they will feel more justified in suspending the election. Martial Law now would only suppress the attendance at protests, and right now the MAGA Nazis want them as big and violent as possible.
This summer they light the fuse. The bomb goes off next summer.
It seems to be escalating now though.
Right, this is where they’re starting, so imagine where we’ll be by next summer, in the midst of one of the most important elections in American history.
Ante*
Thabks
“Trump’s only recourse” lol don’t make it sound like he’ll be forced into something he’s been working toward all along.
It’s starting!!! The downfall of democracy, we had a good run!
Or its revival. This might become the spark that turns these protests into a revolution.
A new Boston massacre may be in our future
Remember this, everyone. The Boston Massacre was the day that “laid the foundation for Independence.”
- John Adams, Patriot, Founding Father, and attorney who volunteered to defend the British soldiers at Boston in a court of law.
He described the patriots who were massacred and shot at as a “mob.” His arguments in court ensured that six of the eight British soldiers were acquitted, and the other two were charged with manslaughter, not murder.
Why? Because he was a traitor?
No. Because he was a Patriot. Because justice is blind. Because the people of Boston would have lynched all eight in the town square without a fair trial.
Because they were a mob, and they had every reason to be a mob. The soldiers, in turn, had genuine reason to be afraid for their lives, and there was no proof that six of those eight soldiers killed anyone that day.
Those were the arguments that a founding father and future President made in a court of law.
Even the enemy is human, and deserves a fair chance. That is what due process is. That is what justice is. That is one of the many great ideals that founded this country, and it is being ground into dust beneath the boots of Fascism.
Be patriots.
I honestly hope this is the case, that would clearly be the best possibly outcome.
Revolution can also be slow, especially when it comes to tech oligarchs helping to enable to current administration, they can easily help obfuscate the narrative.
Oh, that happened the instant the SCOTUS declared the president above the law and Biden didn’t say “fuck you, idiots”, fire all the justices who ruled in favor of that decision at gunpoint, appoint all new justices in their place, and then declare that ruling void by fiat. If you’re about to say “the president can’t do that”, the SCOTUS declared the president above the law, he actually can.
It was really hard to watch. SCOTUS created this monster executive with unlimited and almost unchecked powers, Biden declared that Trump was a danger to democracy itself, and then… crickets. It was heart-breaking that he didn’t even try to curb the limits of power of the Presidency by doing something SCOTUS was going to rule against, handing the next administration everything.
Well, to be fair, he did issue a bunch of flimsy ass pardons for his closest friends and family, he just didn’t do anything to help the rest of us.
Sigh, I so wish you were wrong…
Really? I think it was when they installed Bush in 2000.
It genuinely goes back to Nixon and Goldwater. This is all an evolution of the southern strategy. Get enough people to vote for one thing and everything else is on the menu. (Also, convincing people to not vote at all goes hand in hand with this. Looking at you, protest voters.)
we had a good run!
I’d rank it as ‘just OK’ compared to how the rest of the western developed world is doing and how many resources and advantages we had from the start. We can do much better next time. I think in the upcoming defederation we are not only going to let the south secede, we will insist on it. Godspeed to texas, florida, and the south.
Given the fact that the US was the first modern democracy, was born from a revolution, and was hobbled by the fucking South from day one is say it did pretty damned good. Seriously it could’ve failed as early as the whiskey rebellion but it didn’t.
Did weeeeeeeee? lol
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Compared of what is to come yes! But I get how you feel, things have been in decline for a long time but this is definitely going to be the darkest chapter yet.
The downfall of democracy is the existence of the US. The downfall of the US is the birth of democracy elsewhere.
There is a good reason not to follow unconstitutional orders.
Well, more than a good reason, it’s in the UCMJ and drilled into you in basic.
And rather than fighting against people who can’t reach your home, those protestors can strike back. I hope anyone in the military realises that he’s putting their own family at harms way. That may very well change the equation. I’m sure they are willing to risk their own lives, but are they also willing to risk the lives of the kids?
The question is what will convince individual troops and units that their orders are illegal. Disobeying orders isn’t something the military takes lightly. In theory a court order should be proof enough, but who knows these days.
I’ll just leave this here.
https://girightshotline.org/en/military-counseling-news-updates/if-your-conscience-troubles-you/
I’m not actually surprised that the second american civil war starts in California. Cali always seemed like the most progressive state.
California is only “progressive” to the extent that it makes neo-liberals richer.
Massachusetts is the real center of progressivism in the US.
The entire east coast is more progressive because they value modesty and hard work way more than lazy, privileged Californians.
Ah yes, those lazy Californian fake progressives, so fake and lazy to fight in the streets. Unlike those ultra poor in Massachusetts doing nothing to show how progressive they are.
“more than lazy, privileged Californians”? wtf are you talking about.
East Coast Beast Coast baby. Bad things happen in Philly don’t come around
Throw batteries at ICE
Send Gritty in against them
You guys do love hammerin’ shit. Never change, Philly.
Ah dude, shut the fuck up.
I love Massachusetts too, but you’re very wrong about Californians.
Progressive as in Pride-themed anti-homeless boulder
Reminds me of Victoria BC in Canada, whole place feels like a liberal nightmare. The place is run and populated by champagne liberals who step over homeless addicts on their way to their micro breweries so they can congratulate each other on how progressive they are.
This is nothing really. If people wanted war they would have strategy. It’s just pissed off people, not people with a plan.
Watching the riot over the past few hours it looks like it’s just bored people with mob mentality.
What do you think the people’s response should be to being black-bagged off the streets by people who don’t have badges, don’t wear uniforms, drive in unmarked vehicles and wear masks?
This hasn’t even begun to get nasty, yet.
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how are they supposed to make a strategy? I mean I’m with you 100%, but normal people aren’t going to be able to create a war strategy without some sort of funding and support.
I mean, strategy forms as you test the waters and see what response you get. The infancies of rebellions often aren’t the most strategic.
This is arguably the most dangerous kind of war, at least for the elites and authoritarians. Angry people without a plan are unpredictable.
They’ve been salivating for an opportunity like this. I bet they thought it would have happened already
Hope they like bullets to the head.
2000 Guardsmen. For a city of 3 million. And a governor who doesn’t want them there. Sure. Good luck with that.
The goal is to engineer a ‘state of emergency’ so future elections may be canceled. That’s it. The guard could have all stayed home and the process will simply continue as if they’d come out because each step is purely performative to get to the goal.
