Welcome to the Melbourne Community Daily Discussion Thread.
This is a shit outcome. It’s not surprising, but it’s shit. To the Indigenous Australians amongst us: I’m sorry. I hope one day Australia will show you the respect and care you deserve.
Ultimately, I’m angry. Angry at this country, really. We need to be better than this.
Agreed. First Nations peoples should get the vote and the right to have elected representatives in all levels government. I just don’t understand why people would vote no to that.
seriously, I thought I would be flamed for that post
If I had 400 million I would have spent it on educating First Nations people on how to use the power they have, to vote and stand for elected government. Government has the power to make policy and direct spending.
USE YOUR POWER.
Yeah I really just do not understand why it’s a bad thing that our First Nations peoples can have more say when it comes to stuff related to them. Like I heard one wild thing was if the voice was majority yes, then First Nations peoples would kick every person out of their house.
First, what an absolutely wild assumption. Secondly, I mean that’s what white colonisers did…
I was hoping that there might have been a chance that it got through but it seems not to be.
It’s really sad to be honest that this is the outcome.
Looks like Victoria is the only state that might vote yes and even that’s not a given. I really thought this would be closer.
I’m really angry and sad. I’m angry and sad like I was when Australia voted in Morrison’s shit circus in 2019 over Bill Shorten‘s genuine reform alternative. Fear, ignorance, and a really nasty bubbling streak of racism.
We ARE better than this. Let’s be clear, Australia has voted against Murdoch media in the past, but labor set this up to fail hard. Albo should resign. This will be spun as a win for the libs, but a huge portion of Aussies didn’t understand what they were voting for. I agree, those who didn’t had a responsibility to educate themselves, but labor had a responsibility to show people why this was a vote for unity.
I’m just, I’m so disappointed. I mean, it feels weird to vote for the idea to give people more rights when they’re the ones who lived here first. It’s like taking a vote on if you should allow your housemate to be on the lease.
It’s just really disappointing. Labor didn’t expect that the No vote would come out swinging and because of that there was A LOT of misinformation. Honestly, if you have fucking NAZI’S on your side… you should really re-evaluate your opinions.
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shit
Yeah it’s depressing but sadly not surprising
Bill and Ted watching cat telly together 🤗😸😸
spoiler
They would be arguing about who would get the bird the quickest. I know brothers.
Beautiful. May they continue to learn to like each other.
Looks like they’re becoming buds!
Nice! Tv buddies
Cat TV is the best - my ragdoll spends hours on her tree watching it
Not looking forward to the results of the national racism check. We probably didn’t need a referendum to know the result. God I hope I’m wrong.
Just in: Australians are a pack of racists. Also the floor is made of floor
So not a fan of this crap. Certain politicians don’t want to take responsibility for their bigoted views, so they ask citizens to decide and then stir up smear campaigns and misinformation. And so many people buy it.
Gay marriage was banned in 2004 by John Howard’s government and it only got made legal again in 2017 because the hatemongering/sabotage didn’t work and the numbers passed. (There are legal differences but the underlying plan was the same.)
NOT ALL. 45% voted yes
And I think too many people who voted no are just really really stupid and let themselves be swayed by simple propaganda.
why the fuck can’t reasonable people make propaganda to sway voters?!>! It’s not unethical to have catchy jingles.
Ffs
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After this result (I voted yes) I hope what comes next is more funding for better indigenous health outcomes and remote community support through legislation.
This isn’t the end of the conversation.
Also some action about deaths in custody. Something
Victoria has had a First Peoples’ Assembly since 2019. This is largely identical in role and function to what the federal Voice would be, but it is tasked with representing its views at a state level.
Sadly, while I try to hold on to a bit of hope, it is almost certain Victoria will not be voting Yes today.
Make it make sense.
I know people both who are voting yes and no. Whilst the odd person that votes no might have a thought through reason, there’s also many who are voting no because Don’t know, Can’t be bothered I have better things to do, Conspiracy theory xyz , I hate Albo, why should they get something special, etc. Its horrifying how many people are in this category. I think the vote is not really split between yes and no, it’s split between yes, no, and cooker. Was never gonna be a fair debate.
I think you’re bang on.
Make it make sense.
One was victim to a widespread, American-style disinformation campaign. The other was not. That is the difference.
Always remember that polling was supportive of a national Indigenous advisory body until the Coalition completely abandoned their historic position of bipartisan support and started bombarding Australian voters with unadulterated lies.
We need to fucking do something about our media. That’s the problem. Misinformation and propaganda outlets control almost all of the media, and tbh I think News Corp needs to be completely shuttered.
The No vote will be a terrible outcome for the Indigenous Australians, and the children of colonisers irresponsibly ignored their wishes because of a perceived “risk”.
When every constitutional law expert has been ignored, then you know there’s a real problem
WA has a body at the State level, also. WA will also likely return a “No” vote.
And SA has just established one. There might be more around the place too.
I woke up a little late after being exhausted last night. I decided to go ahead and cook my big breakfast or in this case lunch.
I’ve got toasted bread, eggs under the bacon, some charred fried tomatoes, onion and mushrooms with some hash brown and a couple of sausages and also a little bit of Dino pasta.
Sorry about messiness of the plate and playing but here it is.
I have to say I’m stuffed now.
photo of my big lunch
I take it you got your bacon all right? (It was $3.99 here.)
My word. That is a feast fit for Kings
I can assure you there was a food coma involved.
Oh yes. I actually went for the 1kg pack. They were $10.79.
Dino pasta for adults everywhere!
here’s a positive, nothing has been lost, no rights have been lost, no money has been lost, no programs have been dismantled
this was just one thing and we can keep working in other ways
sadly, what may have happened is an increase in social division here, thanks to murdoch and russia . We must not let them write the narrative, we will not become Us vs Them. We are all Aussies.
I think what stresses me out the most is the thought of how easy it was for that divisive narrative to win. This was such a simple proposal in a way and it just seemed so easy for fear and disinformation to win. I really worry about what it means for the neslxt election etc.
(I know you don’t have the answer just riffing off your comment)
(unless of course you do have the answer in which case all hail Seagoon_ I look forward to you long reign :) )
I’m an old Genxer
Yeah it does feel really weird. Like same-sex marriage vote was a unanimous yes, and Labor’s wins in both the Federal and State elections weren’t landslides but they were better than majority thought. I understand that this one lost because there was so much misinformation, but it just feels so weird that it lost by a lot. So far only one state/territory has got a majority Yes. Victoria is always a pretty safe Progressive seat as of late, and while the inner electorates are mostly Yes and the regional electorates being No. It still feels weird that it’s a majority No here.
it just seemed so easy for fear and disinformation to win.
This is not surprising. Answers are not complicated because humans are not really that complicated.
We have an aging population and it’s a fact that as people age they feel fear, fear because they are physically weaker than when they were young, they also feel they don’t fully understand society anymore and may be confused by all the changes. It’s far too easy to appeal to the past , when old people felt stronger, and say the past was better etc etc
Better change will come when the population demographics changes , as the older boomers pass on. The younger people will act out of compassion, courage and a positive belief in the future again
But please remember the boomers also voted in Whitlam, not all are conservatives
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Instead everyone who voted no is branded as racist or dumb
I hated the idea and don’t think it was useful for anything than opening dialogue.
But opening dialogue could have been done other ways.
I voted yes because it’s another step.
First Nations people already have voting and political rights, they have equal treatment under law and equal access to government monies. I want them to use that to the fullest extent possible.
If it were me and I was in government I would ask what kind of lives they want and I would provide the opportunities for them to achieve that. For each person .
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As were most people who voted no. Many just have a different vision of what is good for society. Being a democracy we have to accept that there will always be diversity in belief and opinion about society, even when we vehemently disagree.
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And good people are intimidated into saying nothing
Agreed on every point
You lost all credibility at “aborigines”. You know this is 2023, right? Unfortunately most Australians are motivated by rhetoric fed to them by Murdoch.
ALL credibility? That’s a bit extreme.
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Does anybody else think that Albo kind of half-arsed this? I don’t wish him to resign but jeez I hope he puts in more effort in future.
Albo didn’t even 1/4 ass this. The things been dead in the water for months. Fear was always gonna win in the face of no response from yes.
He showed no ass.
I like the bloke as a person, but as a PM he’s not really showing enough leadership.
The voice is a great idea but definitely needed fleshing out and actively promoting it from day 1.
Also, given all the other issues Austrians are facing right now, this was the wrong time for the referendum.
Yes except the bit about the Austrians. Hahaha.
Scheisse
Ain’t correcting it though
Umah. You said a bad word.
I understand why Albo said he respects the decision of the Australian people.
But I fucking don’t. People who voted no suck.
I think there’s a lot of pieces that led to this. Perhaps more information and presentation of what it means to vote yes.
Equally the No campaigns were quite awful for done of them and played on the ignorant and fears of people.
A lot of people were too easily swayed into the no camp for a myriad of reasons I feel.
I don’t have the answers to it however.
What I observed was Lidia (as much as I disagree with what she says) voice her opinion in a passionate way on every program that I turned on all I heard from Our Leader was “it’s up to the Australian people. I’m sure they will do the right thing”. Where’s the passion? Where’s the leadership? I’m very disappointed.
I admit I saw a lot of her on tv, much more than I would have liked to be honest.
I think Albo could have pushed it a little harder to be honest. I saw various things on the media from other people trying to get the point across but it was varied amoungst a number of people.
I really hope this doesn’t cause a set back for future generations to come.
I agree with everything you’ve just said.
I’m not even sure who that lidia person is. I read the proposed amendment and voted my conscience. That is all. I did not watch tv or listen to radio or read local newspapers or go on social media. I don’t need people to tell me what to think.
Well, it’s not really his job. He promised to bring the question to the voters, and he did that. That should have been all he needed to do. This isn’t really meant to be his cause.
It also should have been brought years ago by either Abbott or Morrison. The Statement From the Heart was made in 2017.
This is why I was surprised when Mr Dutton spoke about a referendum rematch. His party sat on this topic for years.
I think I made the mistake of turning on to the abc’s vote counting broadcast.
Listening to a politician on his view about the No vote and how he talks makes me sick.
Of course they support the idea and everything about recognition and how there’s so many ways to word it but of course they’re opposed to the no vote for the same amount of reasons and words that all mean the same thing.
Political spin makes my head hurt.
I’m putting on a movie before the women’s afl or cricket starts.
17k steps for the day, good boy me. Now time to lay on the bed like a cow for the rest of the day 🐮
Had to very awkwardly and very firmly tell a campaigner at my local to “leave me alone”, they actually followed me through the gate attempting to shove pamphlets and crap at me.
I’m pretty sure they aren’t supposed to do that. They’re supposed to stay in designated areas and only offer pamphlets. They aren’t supposed to coerce voters.
We had a guy camping at the end of the line handing out pamphlets to people joining the queue. Pretty sure he wasn’t supposed to be there, either.
They aren’t, there’s a distancing rule, but with no one there to enforce it they get a bit rabid.
Lunch toastie: lamb, tomato relish, sauerkraut and two cheeses (chedder and an unidentified hard white cheese), on a dark capeseed bread.
Never heard of a sandwich with those ingredients and it looks amazing. Did you invent that?
It needs a name.
I vote the Lambish krauter toastchee.
I’m terrible with names. Maybe the Lambkraut toastchee?
Kommissar Rex Kernverbund
It’s a variation based very loosely on a Reuben sandwich. I find the sauerkraut works really well with those types of ingredients, and my current batch is made with some fennel which adds some extra depth of flavour too.
I was going to say post it on r/sandwiches but then remembered where I was lol. BottomRacer is right, you should name it. Its too fucking glorious to be anonymous.
Wondering to risk putting the laundry out - it’s all blustery out there and looks miserable but no real rain as such.
The black dog continues to lurk for honestly no good reason at all. It’s getting quite tedious. I have taken my massive vit D supplement but something tells me I need more sun. I’ve enjoyed having my blackout blinds in my bedroom but I think I need to leave more sun filtering through so I wake up more naturally and start the day a bit less groggy and shitful…
E: I had some coffee and it definitely helped but now I feel a bit jittery instead. I started looking at jobs in Perth …
I was rained upon waiting to vote. Probably just stay inside today lol.
Bleah. Might just. Looks like little bands of spitting showers here and there. At least Tuesday is looking good for doing the sheets and blankets…
