“I’m afraid it was the MORmons. Yes, the MORmons were the correct answer.” –The Director of Hell (Southpark)
That’s the first place my mind went, as well.
What’s hilarious is that in another episode, Satan asked God to accept Saddam Hussein into heaven so he could know true eternal torment living with the Mormons.
Pretty much the reverse of this:
Probably they would’ve killed him for being heretic and meet god again in a short time.
Nah, Sithrak’s followers are chill, they know eternal torment awaits everyone eventually, there’s no rush; they just spread the horrid word, no need to implement it themselves.
Refreshing for a religion to worship a god they say is evil and be nice guys rather than what usually happens, worshipping a god they say is good while being full of hate.
I mean as far as religious teachings go, “Stay alive as long as possible because there is only eternal torment awaiting you” is a pretty decent thing to get people to try and follow.
Egalitarian, too. Sithrak doesn’t discriminate. Everyone will burn, regardless of race, gender, or creed.
The fact that Sithrak is actually a pretty nice guy and doesn’t do that makes it even better.
Of course, that’s how you know it’s fiction, any worthy religion from real life would have him burned at the stakes as soon as he claims God said the sacred books are wrong.
Zororo hasn’t stopped the souls coming in to obliterate.
Must be the highlight of it’s day.Nah, he just thinks the sins of the father pass to the son and he’s a bit salty about why the tribe went extinct.
All Pharisees will face such.
The Christian god eats souls. The more chaste you are during life, the more energy he obtains. That’s why he started the religion.
The light you see after death is like an angler fish, guiding you to your consumption.
I personally am a Christian, with a strong faith in Jesus, but I also believe that I’m not here to impose on the world. We as Christians are called AWAY from the world, so why interfere and bully others?
Why’s he being downloaded he’s the sensible one, probably all the other shitty Christians down voting him lol
This is the thing, we’re all supposed to share our life stories with one another, we’re a social species, it’s hardwired into us.
All of us should have some tact, and not bash each other over the skulls with our beliefs or our fists. Mr. Rogers is a model to aspire to as a person. He was a modern example of what a Christian should be. (He was a Presbyterian minister)
The Christian god tells his followers to push the religion onto as many as possible and punish those who don’t believe.
Source: history and current events.
If god wanted his followers to believe quietly, he’d have written his book differently. I have to assume, since he’s perfect and all knowing, that the outcome was the goal. Otherwise he’s a HUGE screw up.
Yes yes, free will. But god knows about free will, and still chose to write the book the way he did. So he intended the outcome that exists.
Or there is no god and the cunts running this religious sharade benefit from adding as many sheep’s under them as possible and are using religion as an excuse
1 Take care not to practice your righteousness in the sight of people, to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.
2 So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, so that they will be praised by people. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your charitable giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
5 And when you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they will be seen by people. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6 But as for you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door, and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you
—Matthew 6:1–6
Sure, that’s what the book says. But that’s not the actions the book produces. And an all knowing God would know the outcome of the words he chose.
There are some rather stark differences between the old and new testament depictions of God. The only two ways to reconcile the differences imo are that either Jesus led a pretty standard major-religion-themed-psychedelic-“love”-cult or that the Gnostics were on to something about this reality being a prison created by a divine abomination and that Jesus was trying to save us from the OT “God”.
That’s an old school Gnostic interpretation, and that in part lead to the development of Christian antisemitism. (See Reuther, Faith and Fratricide)
You’re missing out on the hundreds of years of Jewish scholars navigating and interacting with the text. It’s easy to understand the shift as discrete, because Jesus is a clear breaking point, but a lot of that develops from Greek philosophy interacting with Judaism. He was most assuredly influenced by Nazarite thinkers too.
Keep in mind too that Jesus said he brought not peace, but a sword. Jewish understandings of the messiah at the time were seeking a military type leader to lead them against the Romans - that threat is probably what actually got the man crucified. Read Luke 22:36.
Seeing these kinds of r/atheism versus Christian conversations is always a shit show. Everyone is wrong.
Unfortunately that is how little people interpret the wisdom given. We all make our own version of God, and decide to use our narrow interpretations as the truth, when the reality of God is so vast and incomprehensible to us.
Edit to add that this goes for all of us, I’m not exempting myself from potentially acting in this manner.
Why represent the idea of God as truth if it really all comes down to personal headcanon?
Because if morality is dictated by God, and God is whatever you want, you can justify literally anything.
Why represent the lack of a God as something to aspire for? If it’s all headcanon, then what does it matter what I believe, as long as I’m not forcing it down your throat, which I’m not. I’m merely having a conversation about it, just like you are with me.
Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Stop trying to pander your beliefs towards atheists and unbelievers who want nothing to do with God. They aren’t our authority
Matthew 5:18. You better not be wearing any mixed fabric right now you heathen.
I’m not pandering, I just think that instead of beating you over the head with something you don’t want to hear, I should be more concerned with actually attempting to become a good person and act with kindness towards others.
Better to become the model set by Jesus. You know, like in Matthew 25:35-40:
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
THAT is how I should preach, because actions speak a heck of a lot louder than words.
Good works apart from faith don’t make you saved.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
It’s not being a good person that saves you.
Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Matthew 7:22-23
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
James 2:18-22
But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
What love is it to let someone wander into Hell? That’s not loving at all! Yes, we should be good people and do good and show our faith by it, and share our faith in a calm and respectful manner- not soapboxing on a street. But we should still share our faith.
I believe we should share our faith too, but a huge part of how we share that is the verse right before your last Scripture quote.
James 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Actions speak louder than words. You can show your faith far better by living the Word, rather than giving it lip service.
Matthew 15:8-9 ‘These people honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.’ They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.
Anyhow, I’ve said my piece on it, take it how you will. I hope you have a good evening!
As long as Christians should share their faith and create new disciples, that’s fine. Other commenters seemed to say that we shouldn’t, though. And your comment did come across as “look at me, I can meet your atheistic standard, too!”
Well that’s good i guess. Most people dont view Christianity that way though. Most Christians think its their job to spread Christianity far and wide, and therein lies the problem.
I feel it’s not so much the spreading of the Word, it’s more HOW they do it. Live like Jesus wants us to (aka. Love your neighbour as yourself), and the people will want to follow, at least some. Lead by example, rather than beat them to death like a chimpanzee with a stick.
No, its the spreading of the word. I grew up christian, my partner grew up Catholic. You’re not telling me anything I dont already know.
Have you ever considered that the faith has been misinterpreted in order to serve their temporal needs? Therefore, the way they are spreading it is wrong? Aka. all that colonizing crap and the ways of Empire?
It’s a book, a collection of stories written second and third hand by a bunch of guys who lived thousands of years ago, and then rewritten by the catholic church, and many others to suit their needs. You’re not going to convince me that it was misinterpreted. I dont even know why we are having this conversation honestly. You can keep your faith, thats fine. I dont want, nor do I feel the need to share it.
You mean the Tyrant?
The great seals are probably all still in place, and Gallowspire was definitely still there a few decades ago. It’s probably fine…
Al hail the great ZORORO
May they blast me into sweet oblivion of nothingness as soon as I die, existence isn’t for me.
Pascal’s Wager states that reason cannot determine which, if any, god(s) exist (although it’s commonly simplified to just the Christian God), so it is best to choose to believe in one particular arbitrary god on the off chance that that one particular god is real (and behaves like the Christian God). If by some fluke chance your guess is correct, you get eternal paradise in the Good Afterlife; if your guess is wrong, which it probably is if you were to forego any logical deduction in selecting from a vast pool of hypothetical gods and an infinite pool of gods that nobody has yet to even ideate of, then you would eternally suffer in the Bad Afterlife if the Other God exists, and you would experience no harm in the absence of an afterlife if no God exists. Pascal argued that the risks of reward vs. punishment meant that believing in God was the logical choice to for one to benefit oneself, rather than a belief in God being a logical choice of reality.
My rebuttal to this is that hypothetically only those who believe in an afterlife will necessarily go to the Bad Afterlife and suffer forever, whereas disbelievers in an afterlife will either go to the Good Afterlife or to no afterlife at all. This scenario may sound arbitrary and made up, but I don’t make the rules of the universe— that’s on a hypothetical and mysterious God to decide, if such one exists. The existence of a God/universe with rational or irrational motives to decide that those who believe in an afterlife must go to the Bad Afterlife forever… is as unknowable as the existence of Pascal’s God. Personally, I don’t believe in an afterlife since I wouldn’t want to take my chances with a belief in an afterlife dooming me to the Bad Afterlife, but my disbelief doesn’t make the hypothetical any less true. You may consider the possibility of such afterlife criteria to be an illogical assessment of reality, but Pascal also acknowledged that his wager is contingent upon foregoing a logical assessment of reality in favor of what would logically benefit oneself.
Pascal’s Wager, as well as other “logical proofs” for God like the Kalam Cosmological Argument, never get Christians or other religious people anywhere they want to go. Even if we accept their conclusions as given, it tells us nothing about the nature of that god. They want their god to be the one, and that doesn’t follow from any of these. Which is what the comic in OP is getting at.
As far as the conclusions go, worshiping the Flying Spaghetti Monster is as good as any.
This has multiple inconsistencies. First of all speaking of “Christian God” is ignoring the Abrahamic Faith existing well before Christianity and the prophethood and message of Mohammed peace and blessing be upon him, clarifying a lot of the positions that contemporary Christianity got wrong from the Islamic perspective. Now whether you believe in it is a different question, but evidently Christianity is only a part of the Abrahamic Faith.
Second of all, if there is only one God, which i am convinced of, there cannot be praying to “the wrong one”. In that sense also the comic is falling short of basic logic. It does not matter in which language you say “God” if you believe in his oneness.
Third of all, if you accept God as the creator of everything, his promise of the afterlife and his expectation of worship, then you have to accept the existence of Gods messengers and prophets. Now there is the risk of following a false prophet, but by learning about the messengers and prophets you have the ability to discern false prophets and false teachings.
Finally your argument is based on assuming God to not have given you the means to know, thereby you would not be judged if you choose to stay ignorant, however the opposite is true by the scriptures. Seeking knowledge of God and his message and being sincere in your efforts will be rewarded and your mistakes will be forgiven if you sincerely repent for them. You know about God and evidently have some concept of his promises and warnings. Thereby you cannot claim a lack of knowledge as you have the duty to learn and build a correct understanding.
If you say you don’t believe because that is what is in your heart that is one thing, but claiming to not believe based on that being your “best bet” will not work.
This is all mega fallacious as it presumes what the rules a god may impose are. That is unknowable. You cannot make any claims either way. Either you or pascal.
If you choose to presume some of “the rules”, like @Squorlple@lemmy.world does, you will have to look at them in their context.
You know, like how you cannot simplify a physical setup by looking at electricity without considering electromagnetism.
What rules did I presume that Pascal did not? My rebuttal to Pascal was crafted to highlight the errors in his argument by abiding by the same errors in such a way that reverses the conclusion
If we wish to be very pedantic on your first point. Judaism as seen at the time of Jesus Christ died out with the destruction of the second temple in 70 A.D. With only very few scattered communities remaining today. Rabinic Judaism as seen now and what many would consider Judaism is based on a series of works culminated in the Talmud written around 500 A.D. with old testament religious laws. Furthermore, since Mohammed lived between 570 and 632, Orthodox Christianity and Catholicism are the oldest Abrahamic religion. Also, Christianity has many more followers than Islam and Judaism, making the term Christian God not wrong.
If you want to be this pedantic, the basis for Christianity as we know it today lies in the First Council of Nicaea from 325 AD. Furthermore the Catholicism and Orthodox that we know today, relying heavily on iconography only came into existence with the Second Council of Nicaea in 787.
Finally Christian make up the majority of Abrahamic Faith at around 55% , however would you consider the Political system of say the UK to be a “Labour party system” because they make up the majority? Would the US political system be the “Republican party system”? Or would you say that the multiplicity in them has to be acknowledged?
You’d find out you were in the bad place in like 5 minutes tops
Doug Forcett got it 92% correct.
“Wait so I’m being judged for being too meta?”
“It’s not a sin, but I will judge you for it.”
“Some shitty little middle management bitch is going to judge me?”
“…Fuck you, die.” Zaps into oblivion
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