I personally am a Christian, with a strong faith in Jesus, but I also believe that I’m not here to impose on the world. We as Christians are called AWAY from the world, so why interfere and bully others?
This is the thing, we’re all supposed to share our life stories with one another, we’re a social species, it’s hardwired into us.
All of us should have some tact, and not bash each other over the skulls with our beliefs or our fists. Mr. Rogers is a model to aspire to as a person. He was a modern example of what a Christian should be. (He was a Presbyterian minister)
The Christian god tells his followers to push the religion onto as many as possible and punish those who don’t believe.
Source: history and current events.
If god wanted his followers to believe quietly, he’d have written his book differently. I have to assume, since he’s perfect and all knowing, that the outcome was the goal. Otherwise he’s a HUGE screw up.
Yes yes, free will. But god knows about free will, and still chose to write the book the way he did. So he intended the outcome that exists.
Or there is no god and the cunts running this religious sharade benefit from adding as many sheep’s under them as possible and are using religion as an excuse
1 Take care not to practice your righteousness in the sight of people, to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.
2 So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, so that they will be praised by people. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your charitable giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
5 And when you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they will be seen by people. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6 But as for you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door, and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you
There are some rather stark differences between the old and new testament depictions of God. The only two ways to reconcile the differences imo are that either Jesus led a pretty standard major-religion-themed-psychedelic-“love”-cult or that the Gnostics were on to something about this reality being a prison created by a divine abomination and that Jesus was trying to save us from the OT “God”.
That’s an old school Gnostic interpretation, and that in part lead to the development of Christian antisemitism. (See Reuther, Faith and Fratricide)
You’re missing out on the hundreds of years of Jewish scholars navigating and interacting with the text. It’s easy to understand the shift as discrete, because Jesus is a clear breaking point, but a lot of that develops from Greek philosophy interacting with Judaism. He was most assuredly influenced by Nazarite thinkers too.
Keep in mind too that Jesus said he brought not peace, but a sword. Jewish understandings of the messiah at the time were seeking a military type leader to lead them against the Romans - that threat is probably what actually got the man crucified. Read Luke 22:36.
Seeing these kinds of r/atheism versus Christian conversations is always a shit show. Everyone is wrong.
Unfortunately that is how little people interpret the wisdom given. We all make our own version of God, and decide to use our narrow interpretations as the truth, when the reality of God is so vast and incomprehensible to us.
Edit to add that this goes for all of us, I’m not exempting myself from potentially acting in this manner.
Why represent the lack of a God as something to aspire for? If it’s all headcanon, then what does it matter what I believe, as long as I’m not forcing it down your throat, which I’m not. I’m merely having a conversation about it, just like you are with me.
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Stop trying to pander your beliefs towards atheists and unbelievers who want nothing to do with God. They aren’t our authority
I’m not pandering, I just think that instead of beating you over the head with something you don’t want to hear, I should be more concerned with actually attempting to become a good person and act with kindness towards others.
Better to become the model set by Jesus. You know, like in Matthew 25:35-40:
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
THAT is how I should preach, because actions speak a heck of a lot louder than words.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
It’s not being a good person that saves you.
Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Matthew 7:22-23
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
James 2:18-22
But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
What love is it to let someone wander into Hell? That’s not loving at all! Yes, we should be good people and do good and show our faith by it, and share our faith in a calm and respectful manner- not soapboxing on a street. But we should still share our faith.
I believe we should share our faith too, but a huge part of how we share that is the verse right before your last Scripture quote.
James 2:17
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Actions speak louder than words. You can show your faith far better by living the Word, rather than giving it lip service.
Matthew 15:8-9
‘These people honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.’ They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.
Anyhow, I’ve said my piece on it, take it how you will. I hope you have a good evening!
As long as Christians should share their faith and create new disciples, that’s fine. Other commenters seemed to say that we shouldn’t, though. And your comment did come across as “look at me, I can meet your atheistic standard, too!”
Well that’s good i guess. Most people dont view Christianity that way though. Most Christians think its their job to spread Christianity far and wide, and therein lies the problem.
I feel it’s not so much the spreading of the Word, it’s more HOW they do it. Live like Jesus wants us to (aka. Love your neighbour as yourself), and the people will want to follow, at least some. Lead by example, rather than beat them to death like a chimpanzee with a stick.
Have you ever considered that the faith has been misinterpreted in order to serve their temporal needs? Therefore, the way they are spreading it is wrong? Aka. all that colonizing crap and the ways of Empire?
It’s a book, a collection of stories written second and third hand by a bunch of guys who lived thousands of years ago, and then rewritten by the catholic church, and many others to suit their needs. You’re not going to convince me that it was misinterpreted. I dont even know why we are having this conversation honestly. You can keep your faith, thats fine. I dont want, nor do I feel the need to share it.
Excellent, I can be happy to have my faith, and you can be happy without having it. That’s totally fine. I just hope that you enjoy the rest of your night!
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All Pharisees will face such.
The Christian god eats souls. The more chaste you are during life, the more energy he obtains. That’s why he started the religion.
The light you see after death is like an angler fish, guiding you to your consumption.
You mean the Tyrant?
The great seals are probably all still in place, and Gallowspire was definitely still there a few decades ago. It’s probably fine…
I personally am a Christian, with a strong faith in Jesus, but I also believe that I’m not here to impose on the world. We as Christians are called AWAY from the world, so why interfere and bully others?
Why’s he being downloaded he’s the sensible one, probably all the other shitty Christians down voting him lol
This is the thing, we’re all supposed to share our life stories with one another, we’re a social species, it’s hardwired into us.
All of us should have some tact, and not bash each other over the skulls with our beliefs or our fists. Mr. Rogers is a model to aspire to as a person. He was a modern example of what a Christian should be. (He was a Presbyterian minister)
The Christian god tells his followers to push the religion onto as many as possible and punish those who don’t believe.
Source: history and current events.
If god wanted his followers to believe quietly, he’d have written his book differently. I have to assume, since he’s perfect and all knowing, that the outcome was the goal. Otherwise he’s a HUGE screw up.
Yes yes, free will. But god knows about free will, and still chose to write the book the way he did. So he intended the outcome that exists.
Or there is no god and the cunts running this religious sharade benefit from adding as many sheep’s under them as possible and are using religion as an excuse
Sure, that’s what the book says. But that’s not the actions the book produces. And an all knowing God would know the outcome of the words he chose.
There are some rather stark differences between the old and new testament depictions of God. The only two ways to reconcile the differences imo are that either Jesus led a pretty standard major-religion-themed-psychedelic-“love”-cult or that the Gnostics were on to something about this reality being a prison created by a divine abomination and that Jesus was trying to save us from the OT “God”.
That’s an old school Gnostic interpretation, and that in part lead to the development of Christian antisemitism. (See Reuther, Faith and Fratricide)
You’re missing out on the hundreds of years of Jewish scholars navigating and interacting with the text. It’s easy to understand the shift as discrete, because Jesus is a clear breaking point, but a lot of that develops from Greek philosophy interacting with Judaism. He was most assuredly influenced by Nazarite thinkers too.
Keep in mind too that Jesus said he brought not peace, but a sword. Jewish understandings of the messiah at the time were seeking a military type leader to lead them against the Romans - that threat is probably what actually got the man crucified. Read Luke 22:36.
Seeing these kinds of r/atheism versus Christian conversations is always a shit show. Everyone is wrong.
Unfortunately that is how little people interpret the wisdom given. We all make our own version of God, and decide to use our narrow interpretations as the truth, when the reality of God is so vast and incomprehensible to us.
Edit to add that this goes for all of us, I’m not exempting myself from potentially acting in this manner.
Why represent the idea of God as truth if it really all comes down to personal headcanon?
Because if morality is dictated by God, and God is whatever you want, you can justify literally anything.
Why represent the lack of a God as something to aspire for? If it’s all headcanon, then what does it matter what I believe, as long as I’m not forcing it down your throat, which I’m not. I’m merely having a conversation about it, just like you are with me.
Matthew 28:18-20
Stop trying to pander your beliefs towards atheists and unbelievers who want nothing to do with God. They aren’t our authority
Matthew 5:18. You better not be wearing any mixed fabric right now you heathen.
I’m not pandering, I just think that instead of beating you over the head with something you don’t want to hear, I should be more concerned with actually attempting to become a good person and act with kindness towards others.
Better to become the model set by Jesus. You know, like in Matthew 25:35-40:
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
THAT is how I should preach, because actions speak a heck of a lot louder than words.
Good works apart from faith don’t make you saved.
Ephesians 2:8-9
It’s not being a good person that saves you.
Acts 16:31
Matthew 7:22-23
James 2:18-22
What love is it to let someone wander into Hell? That’s not loving at all! Yes, we should be good people and do good and show our faith by it, and share our faith in a calm and respectful manner- not soapboxing on a street. But we should still share our faith.
I believe we should share our faith too, but a huge part of how we share that is the verse right before your last Scripture quote.
James 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Actions speak louder than words. You can show your faith far better by living the Word, rather than giving it lip service.
Matthew 15:8-9 ‘These people honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.’ They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.
Anyhow, I’ve said my piece on it, take it how you will. I hope you have a good evening!
As long as Christians should share their faith and create new disciples, that’s fine. Other commenters seemed to say that we shouldn’t, though. And your comment did come across as “look at me, I can meet your atheistic standard, too!”
Romans 12:18 - If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Another precept for us to live by. Do not confuse style with intent. I’m attempting to keep the sand on my feet.
Well that’s good i guess. Most people dont view Christianity that way though. Most Christians think its their job to spread Christianity far and wide, and therein lies the problem.
I feel it’s not so much the spreading of the Word, it’s more HOW they do it. Live like Jesus wants us to (aka. Love your neighbour as yourself), and the people will want to follow, at least some. Lead by example, rather than beat them to death like a chimpanzee with a stick.
No, its the spreading of the word. I grew up christian, my partner grew up Catholic. You’re not telling me anything I dont already know.
Have you ever considered that the faith has been misinterpreted in order to serve their temporal needs? Therefore, the way they are spreading it is wrong? Aka. all that colonizing crap and the ways of Empire?
It’s a book, a collection of stories written second and third hand by a bunch of guys who lived thousands of years ago, and then rewritten by the catholic church, and many others to suit their needs. You’re not going to convince me that it was misinterpreted. I dont even know why we are having this conversation honestly. You can keep your faith, thats fine. I dont want, nor do I feel the need to share it.
Excellent, I can be happy to have my faith, and you can be happy without having it. That’s totally fine. I just hope that you enjoy the rest of your night!