This is what I’ve been saying. The gatekeeping is unreal. How the fuck are we supposed to grow as a movement if we can’t accept those who maybe did and/or said some questionable shit in the past? If someone is trying to make positive changes and is demonstrating it with their actions and/or words than we should accept them. I guarantee the vast majority of you here have said or did something that goes against your current beliefs.
An alarming number of leftists are not revolutionaries but dictators without power.
Gatekeeping, purity testing, virtue signaling, and no self accountability. These are the four reasons why every leftist space outside of the center left is a complete and utter joke. These traits are cultural in left wing spaces, and they are very common. They are so common that they’ll never be going away and they are the root reasons why the left will NEVER accomplish anything substantial during my lifetime.
Every time I see the idiots calling for abolishment of the police, I never see anything remotely approaching a viable replacement for what they should be doing.
We’re not solving murder, rape, burglaries, drunk driving, general assaults, etc overnight. And we’re certainly not within a five year plan of solving those things either.
So yeah, hardline abolishment fanatics can shove off. Come back with actual solutions, even if they arent perfect, thanks.
To be fair cops arent solving those problems either. also theres plenty of essays around the nuances of this subject for you to explore and analyze if you look it up… not that we’re all depending on you and your validation anyway
some people are all ‘the system is broken’ and other people are like ‘the system is working exactly as intended’ and im just screaming ‘DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT VOTE IN THE LAST ELECTION?’
No improving the current system allowed!
There’s nothing wrong with encouraging others to be better versions of themselves. The problem is many people aren’t capable of doing so without being toxic AF.
The left purity spirals and eats their own. There is also an unhealthy obsession with victimhood. If these two things were solved the left would be more successful. It would also cease to be “the left” in any modern sense of the word.
The easiest and simplest thing you can do is volunteer at your local food shelter. If you truly want to act. Feed people.
That isn’t doing something within the concept of changing stuff tho
How about stop doing the easy things?
You can do easy stuff and hard stuff at the same time! It’s cool!
Or we could just continue to argue and virtue signal on the internet, kinda like what you are doing now. It’s zero percent helpful. Go be too cool somewhere else.
Need more rope, preferably hemp.
Perfectly summarized.
I don’t usually participate in communities of my interest, like vegan, communist, anarchist, etc. because I know I don’t agree a 100% and that there will always be people that think are better than others or that have a lot more time to spend on activism than me. But all my friends know I never back down when discussing important topics with anyone, I always tell them that I will take the time to discuss with people they don’t like, like weird conservatives and other uncomfortable groups (which have a big presence where I study).
I usually can recognize when someone is close to being more left-leaning than what they think they are, and I take the time to talk to them about it, which a lot of leftist communities don’t (at least from what I’ve seen). Yes, there are trolls, but usually when talking in person, they aren’t that stupid.
Sometimes it feels like people are worse to people that almost agree with them than they are to people who are completely at odds with them.
But doing nothing wrong is the greatest right you can do, no?
Doing nothing wrong is doing nothing, period.
Guess we know where you sit on the Trolley Problem spectrum :P
Immorality is not a requirement of success.
Perfect is the enemy of progress
Great now we get to argue what nothing and something is…
I believe it’s actually the opposite. So many extremists or “I don’t agree with you therefore you’re a troll” bullshit.
You get censored and banned for pretty much anything. Lemmy is no exception and pretty obviously like that.
I’ve said some vile, fucked up shit while I’m having a bipolar depressive episode, but I have yet to get modded for a single thing.
You can basically say whatever the fuck you want, like 4chan. But unlike 4chan, Lemmy hasn’t yet devolved into a cesspool of hate and bigotry. Probably only 'cause the average troll is too stupid to figure out how federation works.
Weird then. From experience this tends to dissapear quickly. Maybe it wasn’t so bad or no one saw and reported it
You get censored and banned for pretty much anything. Lemmy is no exception and pretty obviously like that.
Seeing as I have not been banned for anything I have to disagree.
It depends on the instance and mods I think. I got a temp ban from an instance just citing “bad faith” for asking if there was a source article and getting flamed for “standing in the way of the movement”. I accept that the Libre/FOSS space trends towards more niche user bases, and Lemmy is infinitely better than any other alternatives, but sometimes it feels a bit to close to Emo Phillips “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912”.
It depends on the instance and mods I think
Of course it does. Anyone can start their own instance, if there is an issue it is a problem with that instance, not Lemmy as a whole.
The Internet is not obsessed with speed running just because there exists websites on it obsessed with speed running.
Depends on the things you say, where…
If you’re generally leftist, you should mostly be fine.
Otherwise you get banned for trolling (because ofc they’re right so you’re trolling) or transphobia, because if you don’t agree with everything a trans person says, you’re transphobic. Also, the world belongs to them.
Talk about lesser known subjects by the public or make a mistake yourself? Thats it, you’re banned for misinformation and trolling. Or being a nazi or racist or whatever. The words don’t have a meaning anymore
Also the random ban reasons like “Rule 3” which refers to the most open and subjective rules like “Be civil” or “Dont be a dick” or similar
Depends on the things you say
So not “pretty much anything” then.
I thought it was obvious that it was an exaggeration. If you go out of the normal way, according to the mods, well you’re fucked
Well we’re disagreeing right now, so logically only one of us can be “the normal way” yet neither of us are banned…
I financially frauded once. I’ve never been penalized for it. That must mean the government is fine with it.
I insulted someone in a game and never got penalized for it, so it must mean the moderators in that game are okay with it.
It’s the same kind of logic, no?
That’s the kind of things that happens. Else I guess I hallucinated a couple times in a row, or I mod removed my posts and banned my account by myself. Must be what happened.
Either everything is moderated and censored, or nothing. No in between can exist.
Seriously, come on, that’s not how it works and you know it as much as me.
And fortunately there are still mods that let you speak, people that don’t report you… but what I describe will end up happening if you have these kind of behaviors or point of view.
Either everything is moderated and censored, or nothing. No in between can exist.
That is the argument you were presenting, yes. I’m glad we agree that that is absurd.
but what I describe will end up happening
Nevermind, here you are making the statement you just argued against.
Sounds like a lot of generalizing. Probably deserved your ban to be honest.
Believe whatever you want. I’m saying that based on my experience.
Yeah, and you made a pretty blanket statement about all trans people, or ig all trans people on Lemmy, based on your experience with like, a handful of people?
If you want an example, I said trans athletes being in man or women categories is a debate and shouldn’t be allowed by default because of inequalities between the individuals, and true equality can never be reached.
I believe the use of “biological men” trigged them when I said that transgender women were that… when I was talking about scientific stuff to make my point.
Super transphobic, watch out! ☢️ -_-
Why would I care about what you said to invite derision? The problem, currently, is your attempted usage of derision to discredit an entire group of marginalized people based on your EXTREMELY LIMITED and STATISTICALLY IRRELEVANT experiences.
Boohoo the trans people in the trans community disagreed with me about trans issues and the trans people called me transphobic because I have controversial opinions that I chose to share.
Get over it. Honestly, get over yourself. Grow up.
man or women categories is a debate and shouldn’t be allowed by default because of inequalities between the individuals, and true equality can never be reached.
Studies have found the only Olympic events in which trans women might have an advantage over cis women is mid range sprints. There has been no advantage shown in the short or long sprint events nor any other categories.
If you want to talk about equality in sports the biggest inequality that affects outcomes is money. Athletes with more money poured into them for training and equipment have a significant advantage over other athletes.
All I did was misgender Kris by calling them a “xir”.
They were arguing over gender, and I was feeling like being contrarian…
I guess this is supposed to be ironic?
Oh and also the double standards
You can hope for Musk and Trump or any rich fuck to die, but do this with someone else and you’re banned
It really depends on the community and the mods awake at the time.
One of my accounts got a week ban from a larger community for being “accusatory”. Because I said someone sounded like they were spreading misinformation.
I would even go as far as to argue Lemmy is a prime example of this.
And that why federation is good, but it gets annoying having to switch instances or communities
Just like my recent post on r/politics got censored?
I don’t know, I’m not on reddit. And by definition if it’s removed I can’t see it.
Well, I didn’t see it
Can we stop attacking each other? They are working the “divide and conquer” from every angle, can we not create yet another division within a group of people that agree with each other?
Democrats and liberals are doing the dividing themselves every time they attack people further left of them for daring to actually have principles.
So no, you can’t stop.
can we stop attacking each other?
I challenge you to a duel.
can we not create division?
Oh so you think we should work with just anyone?
agree with each other
How dare you suggest i agree with those people! You understand nithing
