• @lefixxx@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Ok mr reviewer

    Why don’t you tell us less about WV’s strategy a more about how the car is.

    Does it spy on you? What kind of EULA will I need to agree to? Does it have car play/android auto? Does it have a 4G antenna to connect to VW servers even if I don’t enable the feature? Does it have an app? In what ways is VW going to try to get subscription money from me? How much does servicing cost? How much will a set of brake pads cost? Does VW support 3rd party repair shops? Does VW try to lockdown parts and forbid 3rd party repairs? Can it be remotely disabled? By me, by VW, by law enforcement? What happens when the battery needs replacing? What is the visibility like? If it horrible does it have obstable detection?

    • @Patch@feddit.uk
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      1094 months ago

      It’s a concept car; none of those things are actually known or knowable yet.

      • Ulrich
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        Ehhh I think it is. You should pretty much expect all of those things from any new car.

        Consumers have spoken and they don’t care about privacy, reliability or repairability.

        Let me go ahead and answer all these questions right now for all the downvoters:

        Does it spy on you?

        Yes. Like every other VW.

        What kind of EULA will I need to agree to?

        All the EULAs. Same as any other VW.

        Does it have car play/android auto?

        Yes. Like every other VW.

        Does it have a 4G antenna to connect to VW servers even if I don’t enable the feature?

        Yes. Like every other VW.

        Does it have an app?

        Yes. Like every other VW.

        In what ways is VW going to try to get subscription money from me?

        VW Flex, like every other VW.

        How much does servicing cost?

        Depends on what your local dealership charges, they are franchises.

        How much will a set of brake pads cost?

        Depends on what your local dealership charges, they are franchises.

        Does VW support 3rd party repair shops?

        No.

        Does VW try to lockdown parts and forbid 3rd party repairs?

        No.

        Can it be remotely disabled? By me, by VW, by law enforcement?

        Yes.

        What happens when the battery needs replacing?

        You…replace it?

        What is the visibility like?

        Fine.

        If it horrible does it have obstable detection?

        Yes. Like every other VW.

        • @Patch@feddit.uk
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          134 months ago

          Concept cars are, by definition, not actually finished. Nobody will be able to buy the car that was being shown at the car show. The car that will be on sale in 2-3 years will be a thematically similar but fundamentally different creature.

          Things like the onboard computer software/hardware/data sharing model won’t be defined yet. VW’s first party servicing costs or the price of replacement brake pads are not defined yet. It’ll be a job for a future car journalist to report on all those things once it’s actually defined.

          • Ulrich
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            Yes I understand what a concept car is. That changes nothing about my comment because it wasn’t about this specific car.

            Things like the onboard computer software/hardware/data sharing model won’t be defined yet.

            Yes it is. It will use the same software and data sharing model as every other VW. They’re not going to create entirely new ones just for this vehicle.

            • @Patch@feddit.uk
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              They’re not going to create entirely new ones just for this vehicle.

              If you read the article (I know, controversial) you’ll see that that’s exactly what they’re suggesting they’re doing, yes.

              Personally I wouldn’t hold my breath that it’ll be better, but it is going to be completely different to their current software stack.

              • Ulrich
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                14 months ago

                The article doesn’t say anything about that.

                • @Patch@feddit.uk
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                  24 months ago

                  VW says the production version of the ID. EVERY1 will be the company’s first vehicle to feature a new “powerful” software architecture that promises over-the-air updates. (Software has proven to be a bit of a pain for VW, with bugs and infrequent updates plaguing its ID family of vehicles for years.)

            • @boonhet@lemm.ee
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              24 months ago

              They might but only if they’re building something new for their entire range.

        • @lefixxx@lemmy.world
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          34 months ago

          How do you know? What car would somebody buy if they cared about those things? There are no choices. There is not enough competition to have enough choices.

          • Ulrich
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            14 months ago

            What car would somebody buy if they cared about those things? There are no choices

            Because at one time there was a choice.

        • jackeryjoo
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          14 months ago

          A lot of that isn’t known until nearly the last minute. Especially any of the hard metrics like mp/kwh, range, and especially any infotainment specifics.

          • Ulrich
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            44 months ago

            There’s nothing on that list that will be unique to this vehicle.

    • @SippyCup@feddit.nl
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      214 months ago

      The car he’s reviewing does not exist. He has some technical specs and a few renders to review.

    • @0x0@programming.dev
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      214 months ago

      Does it spy on you?

      All new cars do and this one doesn’t even hide it, it’s called “id everyone”.

    • @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      54 months ago

      Beetle EV

      The Karmann Ghia EV conversions are stunning. Go see the most gorgeous thing VW ever made do 0-60 in 3 seconds.

      So, as someone who drove three different classic beetles in the past, you know the KG is still my vote.

    • kubok
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      14 months ago

      Meh. Retro car design on a modern car is just lazy.

  • Dr. Moose
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    234 months ago

    Launches in 2027 lmao

    By that time Chinese evs will be flying or smt

  • @krigo666@lemmy.world
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    164 months ago

    There are already affordable EVs in Europe, as an example the Dacia Spring which has the same 230km autonomy and even lower price (18-19.000€ retail final price to consumer in Portugal which has high taxes on new vehicles).

    Not as snazzy looking though, that’s what’s really important! /s

    • @Venator@lemmy.nz
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      54 months ago

      Not as snazzy looking though

      I doubt the production version will look that snazzy, I bet it’ll end up being much taller and look more like this: 1000004894

        • @skeesx@lemm.ee
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          94 months ago

          Dacia is a small Romanian brand with a single plant, so learning that some are rebranded Renaults from China is quite surprising.

          • @boonhet@lemm.ee
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            34 months ago

            It might also surprise you to learn that Dacia is actually a large French conglomerate.

            They’ve been fully owned by Renault for more than two decades.

        • Kualdir
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          14 months ago

          I really don’t mind it, having driven a Tesla for a year it wasn’t bad at all.

          • @herrvogel@lemmy.world
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            54 months ago

            Well I drive a heavily touch-screenified car, and I hate it. Have had the damn thing for almost a year but I still get nervous when I have to adjust the A/C.

            • Kualdir
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              14 months ago

              Understandable, most car companies have garbage software (the Yaris I drive now included). Tesla is just leagues ahead at this point and I hope VW is gonna improve a lot looking at their mockups

    • @potoo22@programming.dev
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      174 months ago

      Mazda’s Laputa translates to “the bitch” in Spanish.

      There’s also Ford’s Probe…

      But yeah ID.EVERY1 is a mediocre name.

    • @0ops@lemm.ee
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      74 months ago

      It’s not great but ‘bad car names’ is a whole genre, one that vw in particular excels at. These are the guys that brought you the “Tiguan”. Look it up, that’s not some fancy Spanish word or something, they literally just jammed the words “tiger” and “iguana” together and thought that it’d be the perfect name for their new mom-car.

      • rustydomino
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        84 months ago

        To be fair Tiguan when phonetically translated into Chinese is 踢館, which means “going to someone else’s house and kicking the shit out of them” which is kind of fire.

  • @1984@lemmy.today
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    84 months ago

    The Volvo EX30 looks good as well but its super plastic and low quality inside. This car will probably follow the same pattern since they need make money on these ones too.

  • @WhatSay@slrpnk.net
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    84 months ago

    155 mile range, well that’s a local commuter car, that’s it. The masses need things besides a local commuter car.

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      There’s also an ID.2all that’s more geared towards the masses: https://www.volkswagen.nl/modellen/id-2all

      Personally this car would cover any drive I do except going to my parents and back (where I’d have to charge… at home here and at my parents there… so still fine really)

    • @Grass@sh.itjust.works
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      That’s 2 days of the longest work commute I’ve ever had. If the owner drives their daily then comes home and plugs it in I doubt it will ever be a problem. I’ve never heard range complaints from anyone that actually owns an ev either. There’s also a lot of people that have brought up road trips but none of the ones I know IRL have gone on road trips with their gas cars. I can’t see it as much more than people just don’t want to give up their cancer fumes.

      • @WhatSay@slrpnk.net
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        It’s totally fine if it works for people, but I regularly drive long distance, and limited range means planning everything around that.

        I have been looking at aptera, which might have longer range due to being aerodynamic and efficient. That’s what I want to see offered more for EVs. Problem is, it’s not a reality until it’s available for sale.

    • @Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      64 months ago

      Tbf hatchbacks take up the same amount of space but have better cargo capacity. Best of both worlds. I love that I can toss my ebike and lots of camping gear in my tiny Bolt and take it camping. Not possible in a sedan.

  • @reddig33@lemmy.world
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    There are currently no plans to ship this (or the slightly larger longer range model) in the US. 🙄

    • Enkrod
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      114 months ago

      Why would you ship a small car to a country in love with the biggest streetpanzers?

  • Pasta Dental
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    64 months ago

    Looks really good. Let’s hope it’s more reliable than their disastrous id4

  • @hark@lemmy.world
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    64 months ago

    It’d be a decent deal now, but this launches in 2027, by which point this would be underwhelming.

  • @Mac@mander.xyz
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    54 months ago

    You can tell it’s a concept that isn’t in production because it has big wheels with thin tires and no tire-to-fender gap.

    Concept images are just for hype.

  • rustydomino
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    54 months ago

    If this comes to the US I will trade in my ID.4 for this. Small = sexy.

  • @RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com
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    44 months ago

    I love the style. Finally they’re breaking their idiotic EV styling they came up with years ago. The ID.3 is just plain ugly.

    • @tiramichu@lemm.ee
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      The wheels still scream “I’m an EV!” though, with that design that incorporates loads of flat area, but I’m glad the body design is moving away.

      I can see why manufacturers wanted “EV style” - EVs were the new hotness and so the makers want to strongly telegraph the electric nature of the car in the design language. And I’m sure certain consumers also liked driving around in something that looks like an alien spaceship.

      But that design gets old real quick. Personally I don’t want crazy, I want classic shapes and a car that just looks like an ordinary car.

      • @tankplanker@lemmy.world
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        24 months ago

        EV wheels done correctly actually lower the drag on the car improving efficiency. If they are done really well they also lighter with lower rolling resistance reducing that all important unsprung weight, which further helps efficiency.

        Wheels even affect ICE cars, with larger heavier wheels impacting CO2 rating and economy for some models. The VW XL1 is an extreme example of this pushed as far as it could go at the time.