It’s not like men that jizz in a cup. It involves giving yourself injections and a procedure to remove the egg, with recovery time.
The process makes you extremely fertile and often comes with crazy mood swings. Plus you have to be marketable, which involves an interview process where you prove you’re healthy, attractive, not fat, free of mental/physical illness, and have good family history. They often want competitive GPA and IQ scores.
This is the most dystopian capitalistic eugenetics I have ever heard. I am happy it is illegal where I live
Plus you have to be marketable, which involves an interview process where you prove you’re healthy, attractive, not fat, free of mental/physical illness, and have good family history.
That has to be true for men as well, right?
It depends on the facility, but typically the requirements are less stringent. Many just require a disease screening and questionnaire about hobbies and whatnot. Once approved, men get paid per sample collected. Typically, clients will review details about donors and select from available samples.
For egg donation, women must first be approved by an agency, then selected by a client. Agencies commonly boast ~90% rejection rates as a selling point, then there’s no guarantee that one will ever be selected by a client. Some women may be interviewed by multiple families and never get selected or compensated.
The term “donated” implies it was for free. Shouldn’t it be “sold” instead?
Yes
Yes, but in this context ‘donated’ is used in the biological sense, not financial. She sold her eggs, but she is the egg donor.
- If You Got Paid You Didn’t Donate. That’s Not What That Word Means.
- See number 1
The name of the process is egg donation. It’s called egg donation because she is the donor.
That is what the word means.
She sold her eggs. Correctly phrasing it should be she sold her collected eggs as a donor. Using the word donation implies a different meaning in this context.
Using the word donation implies a different meaning in this context.
The word donation means something different in other contexts, but not in this one. Someone who sells their eggs is an egg donor. The procecess is egg donation.
In this context, donation does not imply no financial remuneration as it does in other contexts.
Technically you’re right, but “I sold eggs to pay off my student loans” brings more of a “happy farmer” vibe than a “desperate for funding” vibe.
Closer and closer to that dystopian future where selling your body parts for money and cybernetic replacements happens - except we don’t get the cool 2077 future and replacement parts.
This is such an utterly perfect example of life in America that I am stunned.
Excellent pick, OP!
Except she didn’t go to school in America. Instead she “enrolled in a program at the London School of Economics and Political Science as an international student.”
Looking at the author’s career, I’m not surprised she hasn’t been able to pay off her loans. Going to one of the most prestigious universities in the world isn’t cheap, and freelance writing and political charity from third world countries aren’t careers known for the return on investment they bring.
I’m not sure what kind of jobs a masters in “Comparative Politics” is supposed to net you, but I can’t imagine anyone taking out these loans without realising that they’ll be in debt for a long time. The estimated £81k will take you a long time to pay back even with a good job and without the interest. This is after her parents already paid for her first years of studying and traveling the world.
Even if tuition was completely free, she’d still need to get £30k from somewhere to cover her living expenses for those two years. The money charged for higher education in many countries is absurd, but don’t write “my master’s degree from a well-respected university still holds a lot of weight” when you chose to waste so much money on an academic spirit journey.
You can spend six years to become the best poet in the world, but if you can’t support yourself for that time, maybe pick another career path.
That might be true in our hellscape, but it is in no way valid. It’s entirely the society’s fault for not creating the material conditions that would allow all people including her to live in comfort to study such things.
In a Star Trek post-scarcity world, I would totally agree, make all forms of education free.
However, the in real life, the UK government is investing tens of billions into their higher education, and unless foreign governments offer to match that investment for their citizens, foreign students will have to pay the difference out of pocket.
If students of these universities were to remain in the countries they studied and contributed back to the local economy, I would agree with programmes to pay these loans back over the years, but students like her take off and go home after getting their degree. The UK is pretty shit in terms of tuitions already, but expecting them to pay up for foreigners would be absolutely ridiculous.
This isn’t some kind of scheme where a poor kid couldn’t afford their local community college, this was someone choosing to go to a top-10 university in a field that they knew they wouldn’t make much money in.
I feel bad for the Indian foreign student whose family banded together to get a loan so their daughter/son/nephew/niece could rise out of poverty and bring prosperity back to their family, not so much for the American adult who decided to take out a life-altering loan for a life of badly paid charity work, running university studies, and freelance writing.
You’ve said UK a couple of times there but I don’t think that’s what you meant. In Scotland for instance tuition is paid for by a government body with no expectation to pay it back, you’ll normally get your fees paid for your first run through University plus one repeat year if needed. Additional grants and bursaries are available if required, and student loans are also available if you still can’t cover living expenses.
Does that also apply to foreign students?
I must admit I’m not entirely sure how the educational systems within the UK differ. I’m not surprised Scotland (and seemingly also Wales and Northern Ireland) is doing better at this stuff, though I’m not sure if the support package provides enough income to live in London.
I’m not too sure on the details so I could be wrong, but my understanding of the residency requirements is that you need to be either a UK national or settled immigrant and have been living anywhere in the UK for a few years. You’ll also need to be living in Scotland specifically when the course starts.
If you’re moving to Scotland just to study you’ll have to pay out of pocket, but if you’re in Scotland long-term you’re probably fine. I’d recommend speaking to an advisor to be sure.
We need to completely restructure society to make it possible then.
I’d rather not live in a society that allows anyone to study in the London School of Eliteism.
Oh don’t really feel so bad for her than. She wants to be an economist she should live in the world the economists are building
I should have noticed the telephone booth lol!
Thanks. ☺️
Look on one hand its fucked up that student loans are this unaffordable.
On the other hand, its actually pretty awesome that we possess the science to be able to do this process at all, such that women who normally would not be able to birth children now can through the help of another woman donating eggs.
There’s a fuck tonne of women out there who really want kids and are devastated to learn they are infertile, and this provides a solution for them.
Now, what would make this less of an orphan crusher would be if the government itself sponsored the process, so it was taxpayer money that funded the process instead of the infertile woman out of pocket.
on one hand it would be awesome if the govt just froze every womans eggs at like 18 years old, but then what would stop them from secretly building a prisoner/army/slave etc population?
what would stop them from secretly building a prisoner/army/slave etc population
Probably the lack of living women to implant the fertilised eggs into.
Also, egg donation is a pretty terrible process to go through, that’s why you get so much money for donating eggs in the first place. It involves surgery and can permanently affect your fertility if something goes wrong. it would not be “awesome if the govt just froze every womans eggs at like 18 years old”
We’re not far off from artificial wombs, though. In principle, once they get invented, governments and rich people will start doing this, and extremely misogynistic countries will start killing off women since they would no longer be needed to make babies.
And have men do all the domestic work including raising those children? Unlikely.
Robot Stepford wives are also very close to becoming reality. Women could very well be replaced.
I doubt the expense of artificial wombs will be worth it on a large scale. At most I expect artificial wombs to be a solution for rich men who can’t get a woman, at least for the next few decades. In the future we may be able to get some cool shit though the technology (i.e. gay couples having children) but keeping a living sack alive takes quite a lot of resources and monitoring. I doubt we’ll be going Clone Wars any time soon.
I don’t really see the point in killing off women. As far as I know, the most misogynistic countries treat women as property, not as vermin; someone to clean your house, raise your kids, and have sex with. Rich men in scumbag countries like that will probably forcefully take women’s eggs to procreate and take their “”“partners”“” out of the equation, but I don’t think there’s a need to kill anyone.
It’s so heinous to think about – the fact that it’s possible for a country to forcibly cut a woman open and suck out her egg cells against her will is such B-level horror movie shit and yet it’s so plausible. It’s nauseating. Why even have women if all they’re going to be is subjugated with no real chance to have any agency? Why would evolution favor such an evil situation?
What on earth are you talking about mate.
It’s so stupid and shortsighted to create these huge financial barriers that make it incredibly difficult for people to afford a higher education. Educated citizens create better lives for everyone.
But then where will the rich people get tears for their martinis?
Thanks to my parents, I was free of undergraduate student loans, so I thought taking on student loans for my master’s degree wouldn’t be the worst decision. I enrolled in a program at the London School of Economics and Political Science as an international student.
Yeah, I don’t think “the rich” are on the hook for this person’s debt
That’s a feature of society, not a defect
Tough. Rasing chickens and not even being able to have some eggs from them really sucks. Hope you can get some next time they lay
Then you didn’t donate anything, you sold it.
“I sold some of my own body parts to try and escape crushing debt.”
There, fixed that for you. Unfortunately, many of us are in the same boat, so I sincerely hope you can escape now, good luck.
