That might be true in our hellscape, but it is in no way valid. It’s entirely the society’s fault for not creating the material conditions that would allow all people including her to live in comfort to study such things.
In a Star Trek post-scarcity world, I would totally agree, make all forms of education free.
However, the in real life, the UK government is investing tens of billions into their higher education, and unless foreign governments offer to match that investment for their citizens, foreign students will have to pay the difference out of pocket.
If students of these universities were to remain in the countries they studied and contributed back to the local economy, I would agree with programmes to pay these loans back over the years, but students like her take off and go home after getting their degree. The UK is pretty shit in terms of tuitions already, but expecting them to pay up for foreigners would be absolutely ridiculous.
This isn’t some kind of scheme where a poor kid couldn’t afford their local community college, this was someone choosing to go to a top-10 university in a field that they knew they wouldn’t make much money in.
I feel bad for the Indian foreign student whose family banded together to get a loan so their daughter/son/nephew/niece could rise out of poverty and bring prosperity back to their family, not so much for the American adult who decided to take out a life-altering loan for a life of badly paid charity work, running university studies, and freelance writing.
You’ve said UK a couple of times there but I don’t think that’s what you meant. In Scotland for instance tuition is paid for by a government body with no expectation to pay it back, you’ll normally get your fees paid for your first run through University plus one repeat year if needed. Additional grants and bursaries are available if required, and student loans are also available if you still can’t cover living expenses.
I must admit I’m not entirely sure how the educational systems within the UK differ. I’m not surprised Scotland (and seemingly also Wales and Northern Ireland) is doing better at this stuff, though I’m not sure if the support package provides enough income to live in London.
I’m not too sure on the details so I could be wrong, but my understanding of the residency requirements is that you need to be either a UK national or settled immigrant and have been living anywhere in the UK for a few years. You’ll also need to be living in Scotland specifically when the course starts.
If you’re moving to Scotland just to study you’ll have to pay out of pocket, but if you’re in Scotland long-term you’re probably fine. I’d recommend speaking to an advisor to be sure.
I see, I was expecting something among those lines. We have a similar system here in the Netherlands (though that was fully loan based for a couple of years) though there’s still a 2k tuition fee (despite the government already paying hand over first, it’s meant “to make sure people don’t just study for the heck of it” or something).
I don’t think the American author would’ve benefited from the Scottish system, which is a shame. Hopefully, the Americans will one day get a similar system, or will at least get the government to support students studying abroad in the same way the countries they study provide support.
That might be true in our hellscape, but it is in no way valid. It’s entirely the society’s fault for not creating the material conditions that would allow all people including her to live in comfort to study such things.
In a Star Trek post-scarcity world, I would totally agree, make all forms of education free.
However, the in real life, the UK government is investing tens of billions into their higher education, and unless foreign governments offer to match that investment for their citizens, foreign students will have to pay the difference out of pocket.
If students of these universities were to remain in the countries they studied and contributed back to the local economy, I would agree with programmes to pay these loans back over the years, but students like her take off and go home after getting their degree. The UK is pretty shit in terms of tuitions already, but expecting them to pay up for foreigners would be absolutely ridiculous.
This isn’t some kind of scheme where a poor kid couldn’t afford their local community college, this was someone choosing to go to a top-10 university in a field that they knew they wouldn’t make much money in.
I feel bad for the Indian foreign student whose family banded together to get a loan so their daughter/son/nephew/niece could rise out of poverty and bring prosperity back to their family, not so much for the American adult who decided to take out a life-altering loan for a life of badly paid charity work, running university studies, and freelance writing.
You’ve said UK a couple of times there but I don’t think that’s what you meant. In Scotland for instance tuition is paid for by a government body with no expectation to pay it back, you’ll normally get your fees paid for your first run through University plus one repeat year if needed. Additional grants and bursaries are available if required, and student loans are also available if you still can’t cover living expenses.
Does that also apply to foreign students?
I must admit I’m not entirely sure how the educational systems within the UK differ. I’m not surprised Scotland (and seemingly also Wales and Northern Ireland) is doing better at this stuff, though I’m not sure if the support package provides enough income to live in London.
I’m not too sure on the details so I could be wrong, but my understanding of the residency requirements is that you need to be either a UK national or settled immigrant and have been living anywhere in the UK for a few years. You’ll also need to be living in Scotland specifically when the course starts.
If you’re moving to Scotland just to study you’ll have to pay out of pocket, but if you’re in Scotland long-term you’re probably fine. I’d recommend speaking to an advisor to be sure.
I see, I was expecting something among those lines. We have a similar system here in the Netherlands (though that was fully loan based for a couple of years) though there’s still a 2k tuition fee (despite the government already paying hand over first, it’s meant “to make sure people don’t just study for the heck of it” or something).
I don’t think the American author would’ve benefited from the Scottish system, which is a shame. Hopefully, the Americans will one day get a similar system, or will at least get the government to support students studying abroad in the same way the countries they study provide support.
We need to completely restructure society to make it possible then.
I’d rather not live in a society that allows anyone to study in the London School of Eliteism.