At least 13 people have been killed in a blast outside Gaza City’s biggest hospital, the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says.
BBC Verify has verified graphic videos showing badly injured and possibly dead people lying outside the hospital.
The Israeli military has confirmed it struck an ambulance that it says was being used by Hamas operatives.
It did not say where the air strike took place.
“An IDF aircraft struck an ambulance that was identified by forces as being used by a Hamas terrorist cell in close proximity to their position in the battle zone,” it said in a statement.
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You think Israel has been planning this genocide for that long? Interesting take that I’d yet to hear.
I mean that’s not what they’re talking about (they’re just being a bigot), but this is just an escalation of the genocide that started in 1967.
I’m not sure that’s what he meant. @mwguy could you clarify about Israels multi-decade long commitment to genocide? You’re not a bigot either, right MW?
Tiny Pizza, Has has had a multi-decades long commitment to genocide. My whole life Hamas has been calling for the murder of every Jew on the planet consistently.
Really? How many did they kill?
As many as they’ve been able too. They went from stonings to gunfights to suicide bombers to rocket artillery to paraglider slave raids in my lifetime.
My whole life I’ve seen them dedicate more and more firepower to explicitly killing civilians
So ballpark?
~$1bn/yr worth of genocide.
I’m a tad deaf. That’s how many people?
Hum… like just see what the far-right Zionist militias in the 20-30s had to say, or what the first prime minister of Israel had to say. Or what they fucking did in 1948? A literal genocide, the Nakba. Like genocide has ALWAYS been their goal.
Hamas has had genocide in its charter since it’s establishment.
Saying they want Israel to stop existing is VERY different from calling for a genocide. And calling for “landback” is very far from genocide…
It’s an interesting question, because normally forcibly evicting an entire nationality would be genocide. But is it genocide if it’s evicting the colonizers? What if it’s been 50 years? A hundred?
I’m not sure one way or another, it’s just interesting to think about.
That is indeed tricky.
But I don’t think WE can find the solution. Only the people who suffered the injustice of colonialism can say what is “enough justice”. Only they know what would help mend the wounds.
(Of course there are some extremist violent minorities in the resistance, but most Palestinians would agree they just want a land and freedom).
Their leadership when given the opportunity has consistently clarified that they indeed want genocide.
Can you clarify what they said then?
I can say confidently that I’ve seen plenty of Israeli leaders saying they clearly want to either kill or expel all Arabs and non-Jews from Israel.
I’ve never seen the same from Hamas leadership (and even less from other Palestinian groups - like Fatah and PFLP) that what they want is to either kill or expel all Jews from Palestine…
Have you looked?
This is from just three days ago :
And they’ve said similar shit my entire life.
Eliminating Israel == calling for a genocide.
Israel is an apartheid fascist state. It should be dismantled. And a new secular state with equal rights for all should be made in its place.
That is the position of most Palestinians. Some even wish for a two state solution, for some reason.
But saying Israel shouldn’t exist is not genocidal, anti-semitic or anything. It’s just fucking human.
Did you read the articles on it? Are you aware of what happened on Oct 7? Advocating for the repeated indiscriminate killing, raping and enslavement of civilians is calling for a genocide.
I don’t think we have the same definitions of genocide if mass murder and rape isn’t part of yours.
Rape and enslavement? Bro that is PURE propaganda juice.
And the Palestinians are saying “until we are free we will keep fighting”.
WHAT THE FUCK WOULD YOU EXPECT? A colonized people will keep fighting, forever.
Oh they (Hamas leadership) explicitly have called for genocide separately too. In another place in this thread I linked an article where their spokesman said their goal was to continue to do more Oct 7 attacks until all the Jews were killed.
They never said “until all Jews” are killed.
Palestinians and Hamas can make the distinction between Jewish people and Israel.
Something Israel is incapable of doing. On purpose of course.
I’m going to ask what I’ve asked others who have made this “point” have you googled it.
Like this is a pretty basic, fundamental goal of Hamas. It’s not even denied by them when asked.
Literally no evidence, just mainstream propaganda and manipulated quotes lmao. Like we really ought to believe articles that come out the Atlantic? Bro try harder.
Click the link. Hamas doesn’t deny their desire to kill every Jewish person.