A lot has been said already, but it’s worth mentioning that modern guns are much more capable of killing than guns 200 years ago. Back then, guns were very inaccurate and had to be reloaded one shot at a time and packed by hand. Now we have automatic weapons with large magazines that can be swapped out in seconds. They have less recoil and greater accuracy. Regardless of cultural and political issues, guns are just more capable of killing than they used to be.
People aren’t buying automatic weapons now. You have to jump through a LOT of hoops to acquire an automatic gun, they can cost as much as $40K, and have to be manufactured before 1986. But 50 years ago they absolutely were available. They were banned in 1986.
Correction: they can cost as little as $40,000 now. That’s close to the minimum price for a legally tranferrable machine gun. An M134 minigun would currently run right around $200,000. There is no legal way for a regular person to get a post-'86 machine gun; dealer samples, et al. are not generally transferable (see also: Larry Vickers).
Actually, before 1986 and the Hughes Amendment, anyone could buy an automatic weapon in Walmart (idk if Walmart sold them, but legally they could). After 86 they became effectively impossible to get (takes months for extensive background checks and costs more than a car)
No, but 100 years ago, you could buy actual machine guns out of the sears catalog. No background check, no ID. Just a money order and postage on delivery.
Thompson submachine guns (Tommy guns) were available by mail order in the 1920s with zero background checks. All you had to do was fill out the order slip, a check or money order, and drop it in the mail.
… which is exactly what the prohibition era gangs did.
I remember when my oldest sister bought her first AR-15 at the hardware store, for cash. They didn’t so much as ask for ID. It wasn’t locked up or anything, just take it off the shelf and go check out, no big deal.
Uh, when I first got an AR-15 about ten years ago, I went to Walmart first to see what they had. They had a bunch on a rotating rack you could pick up. Magazines and ammo were inside a glass shelf next to it. You just bought it all there, the only thing they did was walk you out of the store before handing it over.
I didn’t actually end up buying one though, I was given one by a local gun store as payment for saving them about $3500 a year on their IT bill and building them PCs. A nice little mostly custom AR chambered in .300 BLK. My father-in-law took it hog hunting one year.
blackpowder rifles were actually really good just hard to use. Modern reproductions are interior copies and modern black powder is worse (it’s optimised for different things) .
For example many mid to late 1800s guns could hit point targets out to ~300 yards.
My wife is really into this shit and apparently being a first grade rifleman required something like being able to shoot accurately from a field position to 1000 yards. It was very hard to get that good but many did.
Keep in mind by this time they had all sorts of bells and whistles. Basic cartridges, specialised bullet geometries, progressively narrowing rifling etc.
They were quite slow to fire, but loading a cartridge wasn’t that slow. you basically either breech loaded it or just pushed it down the end and lightly packed it (bullet expands when fired to lock with rifling).
EDIT: she informs me that the 1850something Enfield had assessments hitting a 3 ft wide target at up to 900 yards.
The cartridges were not like modern brass ones but paper, they were more like 2 stage packets that you tore open and poured first the powder, then the bullet. The bullet would readily fall clear down the barrel and require only light tamping to make ready to fire.
apparently this rifle is basically the pinnacle of muzzle loaders.
Also apparently it was mostly used in the north American civil war, but they didn’t buy the English bullets designed for it and consequently it earned a terrible reputation in that war. Don’t cry though as the slavers used it so that’s kinda funny.
Anyway, people are smart and guns have been good for a long time.
A lot has been said already, but it’s worth mentioning that modern guns are much more capable of killing than guns 200 years ago. Back then, guns were very inaccurate and had to be reloaded one shot at a time and packed by hand. Now we have automatic weapons with large magazines that can be swapped out in seconds. They have less recoil and greater accuracy. Regardless of cultural and political issues, guns are just more capable of killing than they used to be.
Most gun designs are 70 years old or so and they were as widely available then as they are now.
Something besides the technology has definitely changed.
People were not buying automatic weapons in Wallmart even 50 years ago
People aren’t buying automatic weapons now. You have to jump through a LOT of hoops to acquire an automatic gun, they can cost as much as $40K, and have to be manufactured before 1986. But 50 years ago they absolutely were available. They were banned in 1986.
Correction: they can cost as little as $40,000 now. That’s close to the minimum price for a legally tranferrable machine gun. An M134 minigun would currently run right around $200,000. There is no legal way for a regular person to get a post-'86 machine gun; dealer samples, et al. are not generally transferable (see also: Larry Vickers).
Actually, before 1986 and the Hughes Amendment, anyone could buy an automatic weapon in Walmart (idk if Walmart sold them, but legally they could). After 86 they became effectively impossible to get (takes months for extensive background checks and costs more than a car)
No, but 100 years ago, you could buy actual machine guns out of the sears catalog. No background check, no ID. Just a money order and postage on delivery.
That ended in 1986
No, it ended in 1934. 1986 ended when you could buy new ones with fingerprinting, background checks, and an (originally) prohibitively expensive tax.
Thompson submachine guns (Tommy guns) were available by mail order in the 1920s with zero background checks. All you had to do was fill out the order slip, a check or money order, and drop it in the mail.
… which is exactly what the prohibition era gangs did.
Wow America is terrifying
I remember when my oldest sister bought her first AR-15 at the hardware store, for cash. They didn’t so much as ask for ID. It wasn’t locked up or anything, just take it off the shelf and go check out, no big deal.
This was in 1991.
Uh, when I first got an AR-15 about ten years ago, I went to Walmart first to see what they had. They had a bunch on a rotating rack you could pick up. Magazines and ammo were inside a glass shelf next to it. You just bought it all there, the only thing they did was walk you out of the store before handing it over.
I didn’t actually end up buying one though, I was given one by a local gun store as payment for saving them about $3500 a year on their IT bill and building them PCs. A nice little mostly custom AR chambered in .300 BLK. My father-in-law took it hog hunting one year.
blackpowder rifles were actually really good just hard to use. Modern reproductions are interior copies and modern black powder is worse (it’s optimised for different things) .
For example many mid to late 1800s guns could hit point targets out to ~300 yards.
My wife is really into this shit and apparently being a first grade rifleman required something like being able to shoot accurately from a field position to 1000 yards. It was very hard to get that good but many did.
Keep in mind by this time they had all sorts of bells and whistles. Basic cartridges, specialised bullet geometries, progressively narrowing rifling etc.
They were quite slow to fire, but loading a cartridge wasn’t that slow. you basically either breech loaded it or just pushed it down the end and lightly packed it (bullet expands when fired to lock with rifling).
EDIT: she informs me that the 1850something Enfield had assessments hitting a 3 ft wide target at up to 900 yards.
The cartridges were not like modern brass ones but paper, they were more like 2 stage packets that you tore open and poured first the powder, then the bullet. The bullet would readily fall clear down the barrel and require only light tamping to make ready to fire.
apparently this rifle is basically the pinnacle of muzzle loaders.
Also apparently it was mostly used in the north American civil war, but they didn’t buy the English bullets designed for it and consequently it earned a terrible reputation in that war. Don’t cry though as the slavers used it so that’s kinda funny.
Anyway, people are smart and guns have been good for a long time.
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Has nothing to do with 200 years, he literally said in the title “the last 30 years”
As another pointed out, we had “dealdly assault weapons” like the AR15 since 1956