I could understand Hilary not getting elected, but Harris? She’s as blank slate as any presidential candidate could get ( and maybe that was the problem). But the demographics which shifted the most politically, was the Hispanic and black male (whom tend to be less educated) voters towards the right. That could either be populism or misogyny, and considering they were leaning left when elected Biden the previous term, I’m leaning towards the latter reason.
She was also a candidate we didn’t vote for, Biden being shoved down our throats again then him dropping out are what gave Trump the election. The focus on her gender and nothing else is to keep you from remembering that the DNC fucked us again and a large number of voters protest voting because “She’ll genocide the Palestinians” like TRUMP wouldn’t.
The fact that when it comes to politics I see Americans nowadays keep repeating over and over and over again “this can’t be done”, “they don’t have the power”, “that will never happen”, is to me astonishing. When I was growing up, America was where things HAPPENED. What happened to you guys? Where did this learned helplessness come from?
So your party structures are broken and unable to produce good outcomes? Change them. Reform them. Update them. What the fuck is wrong with you people? You made democracy into a fossil that you no longer fit in and you’re despairing. It’s supposed to be a living breathing thing that evolves all the time. WTF.
40% of the country wants it to be worse in every way imaginable. They want more religion in the halls of power, more impressive law enforcement and mass incarceration, more dictatorial centralization of power, less education more environmental destruction more wealth concentration in fewer elites hands, less protections for workers, and their families, more poverty sickness and death.
They aren’t the same people either, sixty-70% want one or some of the things on that list.
If we declared a constitutional convention, I don’t think there would be any agreement whatsoever about what changes to make, and if there were, agreement, I expect they would be disasterous.
If the Dems wanted to stop losing they could have selected Sanders. It’s not about gender, it’s about trust, and nobody trusted Clinton or Harris (nor should they, frankly). Meanwhile Sanders has spoken for the working class the whole time he has been around.
I posted a post-deep-dive take on what gave Trump the presidency here, but I will say that misogyny did did no small amount of heavy lifting.
What we need to figure out before the GOP finds its next cult leader is how to neutralize the massive far-right propaganda machine that is churning out false information and disinforming the public.
We’ve decided before that ethically we can’t trust human beings to make sound decisions in some conditions. Gambling, for example. Sometimes humans get addicted to just giving the house their money when it’s coached in a probability game. But then we’ve just invented loopholes (and lootboxes) to circumvent regulation. So I don’t know how we’re going to deprogram massive viewerships of media that promotes hate, including misogyny.
If we fail then the ice zombie army climate crisis (and running out of water for agriculture) is going to drive us to extinction.
Were there other problems in Clinton and Harris than the gender, then?
(Except them “lying” that Trump would use the army against US civilians, of course)
Clinton is a fuckin capitalist and Harris is a fucking neoliberal. Neither of them actually care about anything more than upholding the status quo. They are not working class or even for the working class.
This all being said, status quo is far better than fascism, but we can do better.
Basically, just like someone being a woman wouldn’t make them a bad president, it would also not make them a good one. Having good policies makes you a good president.
The status quo is a slow slide into fascism. And we are at the end of that slide. At some point, and that point was 2016, enough people would rather vote for the fascist than the woman that, at best, would continue the slow decline.
Were there other problems in Clinton and Harris than the gender, then?
If it was misogyny alone was the cause, then why did harris lose across every single demographic of women?
She lost across every single voting demographic of general voter except a 1 point gain in college educated white men.
We have polling data, we could dig through it-- and the results must be a statistical understanding of a number of reasons. There wont be a unifying single smoking gun across this many voters and issues. We aren’t that uniform of a group of people for that. Although there will be some that are larger than others, like Gaza, consumer prices, wage stagnation, and misogyny.
Dems are failing to honestly analyze why we lost, just like they failed to figure out how we could win. So we’re on track to lose again, and comments like the one you made show we arent making much progress-- or that we even have any will to.
Uh… If the misogyny was enough to remove enough votes from them to allow the worse candidate to win, then obviously it was a decisive factor. Being a decisive factor does not equal being the only factor.
No, it wasn’t the decisive factor. The misogynists wouldn’t have voted for Harris either way. The decisive factor was Harris failing to inspire her own base while pandering to the elusive “undecided voter” by propping up Liz Cheney, among other things. Don’t get it twisted, Harris lost because she and her team were too incompetent to read the room.
All? No, not all. But it is very evident that most Americans seem to hate women. The right hates on women, the left hates on women, the men and the women hate on women. If you doubt me, look how news articles disparage male senators compared to female ones.
Edit: All you four people who downvote without responding only give me more validation. The people hate the truth.
I have NO idea why the democrats chose Harris as the nominee. The country wouldn’t vote for a white woman last time. You REALLY think they’re going to vote for a woman of colour? REALLY? And then a bunch of them didn’t. As predicted.
I’m saying that more people voted for Hillary Clinton than her male opponent, which flatly contradicts the claim that people wouldn’t vote for a woman. But let me ask the question: If the GOP nominated Kristi Noem as its candidate for president in 2028, would you rest assured that she couldn’t win because of misogyny?
That is true, but I will add that most people I knew that voted for Hillary also did not like her.
The people will vote for women, but a disturbing amount are unhappy about it. I don’t even like Hilary, but people were more biased against her than Biden for what feels like manufactured reasons to me.
I have NO idea why the democrats chose Harris as the nominee.
Well, that’s the thing: they didn’t. She didn’t win the primary, Biden did; and Biden won because there was no opposition. My ballot had two choices: “Joe Biden” and “Uncommitted”. I voted Uncommitted.
There were a lot of issues with it being anyone else. Since she was already the VP and already “on the ticket”, switching to anyone other than her would have brought with it a whole lot of complications and probably would have tied up all the money the Biden campaign had raised. The whole process of deciding on anyone other than her posed huge risks, especially given the time constraints. Harris was effectively the default option so they took the path that appeared to be easiest and guaranteed that the campaign kept its funding.
Harris would have won if the Dem leadership let her run the campaign she wanted to. Instead they enforced civility politics and forced her to be the same as Biden.
Hillary was right. Harris was right. Misogyny ignored them.
Americans didn’t vote for Hillary or Harris because apparently they wanted a whiny bitch to be president instead.
Lets not pretend the presidential election is all about gender and nothing else. Thats just not true.
hmmmmm… stats say otherwise. A lot of males did not vote for her because she was female. That said, US is clearly not ready for female president.
Can you show us the stats you’re talking about?
Remind me when you get a response.
it won’t happen.Where’s the data that show this?
There are also a lot of liberal women who didn’t vote for her because she’s a woman. They didn’t vote for Trump, they just didn’t vote at all.
I could understand Hilary not getting elected, but Harris? She’s as blank slate as any presidential candidate could get ( and maybe that was the problem). But the demographics which shifted the most politically, was the Hispanic and black male (whom tend to be less educated) voters towards the right. That could either be populism or misogyny, and considering they were leaning left when elected Biden the previous term, I’m leaning towards the latter reason.
She was also a candidate we didn’t vote for, Biden being shoved down our throats again then him dropping out are what gave Trump the election. The focus on her gender and nothing else is to keep you from remembering that the DNC fucked us again and a large number of voters protest voting because “She’ll genocide the Palestinians” like TRUMP wouldn’t.
“The DNC” does not have the power to force Biden to step aside when he doesn’t want to.
They aren’t a military or a government. They are a club, and Biden was far and away the senior member.
The fact that when it comes to politics I see Americans nowadays keep repeating over and over and over again “this can’t be done”, “they don’t have the power”, “that will never happen”, is to me astonishing. When I was growing up, America was where things HAPPENED. What happened to you guys? Where did this learned helplessness come from?
So your party structures are broken and unable to produce good outcomes? Change them. Reform them. Update them. What the fuck is wrong with you people? You made democracy into a fossil that you no longer fit in and you’re despairing. It’s supposed to be a living breathing thing that evolves all the time. WTF.
I have to agree, it is very weird that people treat their society like an thing set in stone.
40% of the country wants it to be worse in every way imaginable. They want more religion in the halls of power, more impressive law enforcement and mass incarceration, more dictatorial centralization of power, less education more environmental destruction more wealth concentration in fewer elites hands, less protections for workers, and their families, more poverty sickness and death.
They aren’t the same people either, sixty-70% want one or some of the things on that list.
If we declared a constitutional convention, I don’t think there would be any agreement whatsoever about what changes to make, and if there were, agreement, I expect they would be disasterous.
If the Dems wanted to stop losing they could have selected Sanders. It’s not about gender, it’s about trust, and nobody trusted Clinton or Harris (nor should they, frankly). Meanwhile Sanders has spoken for the working class the whole time he has been around.
She’s a former cop and prosecutor that wasn’t selected through a primary process (not that Dems ever allow anyone not selected by party elites.)
She’s basically a Republican with zero progressive policies, which isn’t going to appeal to an increasingly radicalized base.
There were a lot of problems with her that had nothing to do with her being a her.
Democrats keep chasing votes to the right, abandoning the actual left and the working class.
Remember how Dukakis got tanked by a goofy helmet? Yea, Harris sank when she couldn’t propose any change from Biden.
nice pun cuz iirc he was riding in one while wearing that helmet
Knowing my paisanos, it was plain old ignorance. I mean, we did elect a woman president this year. 😅
Kamela lost because she’s a woman
I posted a post-deep-dive take on what gave Trump the presidency here, but I will say that misogyny did did no small amount of heavy lifting.
What we need to figure out before the GOP finds its next cult leader is how to neutralize the massive far-right propaganda machine that is churning out false information and disinforming the public.
We’ve decided before that ethically we can’t trust human beings to make sound decisions in some conditions. Gambling, for example. Sometimes humans get addicted to just giving the house their money when it’s coached in a probability game. But then we’ve just invented loopholes (and lootboxes) to circumvent regulation. So I don’t know how we’re going to deprogram massive viewerships of media that promotes hate, including misogyny.
If we fail then the
ice zombie armyclimate crisis (and running out of water for agriculture) is going to drive us to extinction.Were there other problems in Clinton and Harris than the gender, then? (Except them “lying” that Trump would use the army against US civilians, of course)
Clinton is a fuckin capitalist and Harris is a fucking neoliberal. Neither of them actually care about anything more than upholding the status quo. They are not working class or even for the working class.
This all being said, status quo is far better than fascism, but we can do better.
Basically, just like someone being a woman wouldn’t make them a bad president, it would also not make them a good one. Having good policies makes you a good president.
The status quo is a slow slide into fascism. And we are at the end of that slide. At some point, and that point was 2016, enough people would rather vote for the fascist than the woman that, at best, would continue the slow decline.
Agreed.
Good luck finding a presidential candidate with good policies in USA.
You asked what the other problems with them were, not whether there was a good presidential candidate, i was answering your question
No unclarity regarding that, don’t worry :)
Oki dokes! :)
If it was misogyny alone was the cause, then why did harris lose across every single demographic of women? She lost across every single voting demographic of general voter except a 1 point gain in college educated white men.
We have polling data, we could dig through it-- and the results must be a statistical understanding of a number of reasons. There wont be a unifying single smoking gun across this many voters and issues. We aren’t that uniform of a group of people for that. Although there will be some that are larger than others, like Gaza, consumer prices, wage stagnation, and misogyny.
Dems are failing to honestly analyze why we lost, just like they failed to figure out how we could win. So we’re on track to lose again, and comments like the one you made show we arent making much progress-- or that we even have any will to.
women can be misogynistic too
Uh… If the misogyny was enough to remove enough votes from them to allow the worse candidate to win, then obviously it was a decisive factor. Being a decisive factor does not equal being the only factor.
No, it wasn’t the decisive factor. The misogynists wouldn’t have voted for Harris either way. The decisive factor was Harris failing to inspire her own base while pandering to the elusive “undecided voter” by propping up Liz Cheney, among other things. Don’t get it twisted, Harris lost because she and her team were too incompetent to read the room.
What is this the decisive factor you’re talking about? You can have several.
Sure, but how do we put actual numbers behind that “if”?
Yes.
That’s not what they said.
All? No, not all. But it is very evident that most Americans seem to hate women. The right hates on women, the left hates on women, the men and the women hate on women. If you doubt me, look how news articles disparage male senators compared to female ones.
Edit: All you four people who downvote without responding only give me more validation. The people hate the truth.
I have NO idea why the democrats chose Harris as the nominee. The country wouldn’t vote for a white woman last time. You REALLY think they’re going to vote for a woman of colour? REALLY? And then a bunch of them didn’t. As predicted.
The country did vote for a white woman the previous time: Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.
So you’re saying misogyny wasn’t the reason they lost then?
I’m saying that more people voted for Hillary Clinton than her male opponent, which flatly contradicts the claim that people wouldn’t vote for a woman. But let me ask the question: If the GOP nominated Kristi Noem as its candidate for president in 2028, would you rest assured that she couldn’t win because of misogyny?
That is true, but I will add that most people I knew that voted for Hillary also did not like her.
The people will vote for women, but a disturbing amount are unhappy about it. I don’t even like Hilary, but people were more biased against her than Biden for what feels like manufactured reasons to me.
The right wing propaganda machine had been at work on Hillary since even before Bill was elected President in '92, so that could certainly explain it.
Well, that’s the thing: they didn’t. She didn’t win the primary, Biden did; and Biden won because there was no opposition. My ballot had two choices: “Joe Biden” and “Uncommitted”. I voted Uncommitted.
There were a lot of issues with it being anyone else. Since she was already the VP and already “on the ticket”, switching to anyone other than her would have brought with it a whole lot of complications and probably would have tied up all the money the Biden campaign had raised. The whole process of deciding on anyone other than her posed huge risks, especially given the time constraints. Harris was effectively the default option so they took the path that appeared to be easiest and guaranteed that the campaign kept its funding.
Maybe the gender or color didn’t really matter to people who had a chance of voting Democrat anyway
Harris would have won if the Dem leadership let her run the campaign she wanted to. Instead they enforced civility politics and forced her to be the same as Biden.
Biden made hay about selecting a Black Woman as vise President. That is declaring her heir apparent.