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I repeat, it is better to not respond at all than it is to give a half-assed response. If your goal is to change people’s minds or show onlookers better arguments, providing weak and unsubstantial, unsourced arguments hurts both of those goals. Again, it is okay to not speak on subjects you aren’t educated on. Maybe use it as an opportunity to learn more yourself.
You haven’t sourced any of your “facts,” while you’ve been given many sources countering your claims. Extreme claims, such as claims of genocide, require proper evidence and sourcing, not just gesturing. Linking a podcast from a British propaganda outlet isn’t going to cut it, not only can people say quite literally whatever they want to in an interview, but podcasts are a time commitment when articles and direct sources can be parsed much quicker and more effectively.
I suggest you take a break, find some actual sources, and if you can’t, concede and use it as an opportunity for growth.
You provided a single podcast from a British propaganda outlet. Why not link the sources the podcast references, unless there are none? Is the podcast just a testemonial from 2 people, or does it contain a list of genuine sources that you can pull from?
Every other figure you’ve provided has gone unsourced, either you “heard it yourself” or claim it’s “from the government” without linking to the documents or statements these numbers must have come from, if you didn’t make them up.
There are numbers you can and should source properly of people in the Uyghur re-education program. You need to link these numbers if you wish to use them as a source.
You doubt that the numbers are accurate. You need to provide meaningful evidence to support why you are skeptical, and provide evidence supporting higher numbers.
You have the idea of the Chinese government being accused of fabrication a lot. By who, though, for what reasons, and with which evidence?
Do you see my point, here? Rather than having 20 conversations with no merit whatsoever due to lack of sourcing, why not pick one or two conversations and try to honestly engage with them, sourcing every argument, and refraining from speculation without accompanying sources for such speculation?
Rather than having 20 conversations with no merit whatsoever due to lack of sourcing, why not pick one or two conversations and try to honestly engage with them, sourcing every argument, and refraining from speculation without accompanying sources for such speculation?
Because they’re more interested in wallowing in the rancid mental fog of liberalism where the liberal’s correctness is axiomatic and the facts melt away into irrelevance.
Absolutely, figured I’d just give them every single opportunity under the sun to make a coherent argument so that when that argument fails to materialize, it’s abundantly clear that they had every chance in the world to make one and refused to.
You haven’t provided any official figures or sources. You provided a podcast with 2 testemonials, seemingly without any backing evidence, from a British propaganda outlet. Every time you’ve provided a number, or stated a qualitative assertion, you need to provide backing evidence such as a link to a source. The fact that people have asked you over and over for sources and you haven’t provided them is only hurting your case.
Let’s ask this another way.
What do you believe is quantitatively and qualitatively happening in Xinjiang with regards to the re-education camps? Ie, what numbers, and what specifically is happening, ie mass murder, sterilization, vocational training, cultural erasure, etc?
What do you think the people asking you for sources believe, or those who have given you counter-arguments?
For all of the quantitative and qualitative claims you wish to make regarding section 1, provide links to sources and evidence. Ie what’s happening, and at what scale, and in what time frame.
I think if you spend your time answering this one question accurately and to the best of your abilities, you wouldn’t feel the need to respond to each and every comment. If you can’t, then it’s okay to log off for a while and touch some grass. Do more research into the subject, and refrain from speaking on subjects you haven’t investigated enough to be able to properly answer section 1.
I’m responding to all of your comments.
you are asserting that basic facts and interviews are propaganda.
I don’t see facts that way.
I repeat, it is better to not respond at all than it is to give a half-assed response. If your goal is to change people’s minds or show onlookers better arguments, providing weak and unsubstantial, unsourced arguments hurts both of those goals. Again, it is okay to not speak on subjects you aren’t educated on. Maybe use it as an opportunity to learn more yourself.
You haven’t sourced any of your “facts,” while you’ve been given many sources countering your claims. Extreme claims, such as claims of genocide, require proper evidence and sourcing, not just gesturing. Linking a podcast from a British propaganda outlet isn’t going to cut it, not only can people say quite literally whatever they want to in an interview, but podcasts are a time commitment when articles and direct sources can be parsed much quicker and more effectively.
I suggest you take a break, find some actual sources, and if you can’t, concede and use it as an opportunity for growth.
that’s why I’m providing corroborated, firsthand sources.
they’re probably in the other comments if you haven’t seen them yet.
if you need other sources for something specific in one of my comments, let me know.
You provided a single podcast from a British propaganda outlet. Why not link the sources the podcast references, unless there are none? Is the podcast just a testemonial from 2 people, or does it contain a list of genuine sources that you can pull from?
Every other figure you’ve provided has gone unsourced, either you “heard it yourself” or claim it’s “from the government” without linking to the documents or statements these numbers must have come from, if you didn’t make them up.
some of the uyghur detainee numbers are probably low, the Chinese government gets accused of fabrication a lot.
Alright, let’s walk through this.
There are numbers you can and should source properly of people in the Uyghur re-education program. You need to link these numbers if you wish to use them as a source.
You doubt that the numbers are accurate. You need to provide meaningful evidence to support why you are skeptical, and provide evidence supporting higher numbers.
You have the idea of the Chinese government being accused of fabrication a lot. By who, though, for what reasons, and with which evidence?
Do you see my point, here? Rather than having 20 conversations with no merit whatsoever due to lack of sourcing, why not pick one or two conversations and try to honestly engage with them, sourcing every argument, and refraining from speculation without accompanying sources for such speculation?
Because they’re more interested in wallowing in the rancid mental fog of liberalism where the liberal’s correctness is axiomatic and the facts melt away into irrelevance.
Absolutely, figured I’d just give them every single opportunity under the sun to make a coherent argument so that when that argument fails to materialize, it’s abundantly clear that they had every chance in the world to make one and refused to.
your speculation doesn’t change the nature of any official figures or sources.
if there are other sources you are specifically curious about regarding my comments, I’m happy to provide then.
You haven’t provided any official figures or sources. You provided a podcast with 2 testemonials, seemingly without any backing evidence, from a British propaganda outlet. Every time you’ve provided a number, or stated a qualitative assertion, you need to provide backing evidence such as a link to a source. The fact that people have asked you over and over for sources and you haven’t provided them is only hurting your case.
Let’s ask this another way.
What do you believe is quantitatively and qualitatively happening in Xinjiang with regards to the re-education camps? Ie, what numbers, and what specifically is happening, ie mass murder, sterilization, vocational training, cultural erasure, etc?
What do you think the people asking you for sources believe, or those who have given you counter-arguments?
For all of the quantitative and qualitative claims you wish to make regarding section 1, provide links to sources and evidence. Ie what’s happening, and at what scale, and in what time frame.
I think if you spend your time answering this one question accurately and to the best of your abilities, you wouldn’t feel the need to respond to each and every comment. If you can’t, then it’s okay to log off for a while and touch some grass. Do more research into the subject, and refrain from speaking on subjects you haven’t investigated enough to be able to properly answer section 1.
I have provided official sources and figures.
if you would like additional figures, I don’t mind providing them.
Which you still haven’t provided.
it’s not surprising you can’t find them in the flood of comments, which particular sources for my comments are you looking for?
You haven’t shown a single corroborated anything and are huffily lying about it because you’re too scared to learn.
all of my facts are clearly sourced above.
-He whined, still lying and not sourcing
don’t whine, just ask questions and you shall receive. or read.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up