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There are numbers you can and should source properly of people in the Uyghur re-education program. You need to link these numbers if you wish to use them as a source.
You doubt that the numbers are accurate. You need to provide meaningful evidence to support why you are skeptical, and provide evidence supporting higher numbers.
You have the idea of the Chinese government being accused of fabrication a lot. By who, though, for what reasons, and with which evidence?
Do you see my point, here? Rather than having 20 conversations with no merit whatsoever due to lack of sourcing, why not pick one or two conversations and try to honestly engage with them, sourcing every argument, and refraining from speculation without accompanying sources for such speculation?
Rather than having 20 conversations with no merit whatsoever due to lack of sourcing, why not pick one or two conversations and try to honestly engage with them, sourcing every argument, and refraining from speculation without accompanying sources for such speculation?
Because they’re more interested in wallowing in the rancid mental fog of liberalism where the liberal’s correctness is axiomatic and the facts melt away into irrelevance.
Absolutely, figured I’d just give them every single opportunity under the sun to make a coherent argument so that when that argument fails to materialize, it’s abundantly clear that they had every chance in the world to make one and refused to.
You haven’t provided any official figures or sources. You provided a podcast with 2 testemonials, seemingly without any backing evidence, from a British propaganda outlet. Every time you’ve provided a number, or stated a qualitative assertion, you need to provide backing evidence such as a link to a source. The fact that people have asked you over and over for sources and you haven’t provided them is only hurting your case.
Let’s ask this another way.
What do you believe is quantitatively and qualitatively happening in Xinjiang with regards to the re-education camps? Ie, what numbers, and what specifically is happening, ie mass murder, sterilization, vocational training, cultural erasure, etc?
What do you think the people asking you for sources believe, or those who have given you counter-arguments?
For all of the quantitative and qualitative claims you wish to make regarding section 1, provide links to sources and evidence. Ie what’s happening, and at what scale, and in what time frame.
I think if you spend your time answering this one question accurately and to the best of your abilities, you wouldn’t feel the need to respond to each and every comment. If you can’t, then it’s okay to log off for a while and touch some grass. Do more research into the subject, and refrain from speaking on subjects you haven’t investigated enough to be able to properly answer section 1.
I gave you a pretty good opportunity to gather your thoughts, evidence, and as clearly as possible and in no uncertain terms explain your position. Are you sure you want to toss that away?
if you don’t like my clear answers, facts or sources, you aren’t going to be very happy with any further responses, which will use the same clear answers, facts and sources.
If you provide your strongest and clearest stances in a single, well-sourced comment, then we can have a conversation. I haven’t been able to find a clear and well-sourced answer to your questions, if you don’t want to provide them, then just say that.
some of the uyghur detainee numbers are probably low, the Chinese government gets accused of fabrication a lot.
Alright, let’s walk through this.
There are numbers you can and should source properly of people in the Uyghur re-education program. You need to link these numbers if you wish to use them as a source.
You doubt that the numbers are accurate. You need to provide meaningful evidence to support why you are skeptical, and provide evidence supporting higher numbers.
You have the idea of the Chinese government being accused of fabrication a lot. By who, though, for what reasons, and with which evidence?
Do you see my point, here? Rather than having 20 conversations with no merit whatsoever due to lack of sourcing, why not pick one or two conversations and try to honestly engage with them, sourcing every argument, and refraining from speculation without accompanying sources for such speculation?
Because they’re more interested in wallowing in the rancid mental fog of liberalism where the liberal’s correctness is axiomatic and the facts melt away into irrelevance.
Absolutely, figured I’d just give them every single opportunity under the sun to make a coherent argument so that when that argument fails to materialize, it’s abundantly clear that they had every chance in the world to make one and refused to.
o7
your speculation doesn’t change the nature of any official figures or sources.
if there are other sources you are specifically curious about regarding my comments, I’m happy to provide then.
You haven’t provided any official figures or sources. You provided a podcast with 2 testemonials, seemingly without any backing evidence, from a British propaganda outlet. Every time you’ve provided a number, or stated a qualitative assertion, you need to provide backing evidence such as a link to a source. The fact that people have asked you over and over for sources and you haven’t provided them is only hurting your case.
Let’s ask this another way.
What do you believe is quantitatively and qualitatively happening in Xinjiang with regards to the re-education camps? Ie, what numbers, and what specifically is happening, ie mass murder, sterilization, vocational training, cultural erasure, etc?
What do you think the people asking you for sources believe, or those who have given you counter-arguments?
For all of the quantitative and qualitative claims you wish to make regarding section 1, provide links to sources and evidence. Ie what’s happening, and at what scale, and in what time frame.
I think if you spend your time answering this one question accurately and to the best of your abilities, you wouldn’t feel the need to respond to each and every comment. If you can’t, then it’s okay to log off for a while and touch some grass. Do more research into the subject, and refrain from speaking on subjects you haven’t investigated enough to be able to properly answer section 1.
I have provided official sources and figures.
if you would like additional figures, I don’t mind providing them.
I gave you a pretty good opportunity to gather your thoughts, evidence, and as clearly as possible and in no uncertain terms explain your position. Are you sure you want to toss that away?
if you don’t like my clear answers, facts or sources, you aren’t going to be very happy with any further responses, which will use the same clear answers, facts and sources.
If you provide your strongest and clearest stances in a single, well-sourced comment, then we can have a conversation. I haven’t been able to find a clear and well-sourced answer to your questions, if you don’t want to provide them, then just say that.
it’s okay, I’ve already had this conversation with everybody else in the thread like five times, haha.
if you don’t like my clear answers, facts or sources, you’re not going to be satisfied with my responses anyway.
Which you still haven’t provided.
it’s not surprising you can’t find them in the flood of comments, which particular sources for my comments are you looking for?
All the ones I’ve repeatedly asked you for. And I have read all the comment, you didn’t give them.
Damb, you could maybe like, link us to the comment where you shared the sources even
you wouldn’t even believe the amount of comments coming in.
people are really excited about these decade-old numbers for some reason.
it’s easier at this point to provide you with a new source for a specific figure rather than comb through the older comments.
Okay do that then