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You’re right, sometimes the liberals complain about it. But who was their last president? The guy who wrote the 94 crime bill and the Patriot act. Who was their last presidential candidate (hand picked, no primary)? A career prosecutor, attorney general, and self described “top cop” of California who famously kept people in prison past their release date, among other unforgivably evil shit.
Hey remind me, is Bernie Sanders a Democrat? What happened when he ran in the presidential primary, did the Democrats rally behind him and his prison reform, or did they vilify him and use backdoor tricks to tank his two attempts?
Wrong. Bernie is Independent. The Democrats opposed him and his policies. Were there other liberals you were referring to or did your entire disagreement just evaporate?
@PKMKII@hexbear.net is describing the standard judgement process of liberals. Western countries are typically judged on their stated intentions, eg Biden claiming to have done everything he could to get a ceasefire in Gaza, while actually supplying Israel with everything they needed.
Liberals, however, do not extend such courtesy to non-Western countries, and moreover tend to accept the narrative most pushed in the media about such countries despite distorting the quantity and quality of events.
It seems to me that you’re guilty of being evasive, like when I asked you to clearly state your position on the quantity and quality of the re-education camps in Xinjiang. You’re just wasting your own time more than anything, by lacking a firm and coherent stance and sources to support your argument, you weaken every statement you make.
Even in this very comment, you refused to clearly state your position on the quantity and quality of the re-education camps in Xinjiang. This is evasion.
lol. lmao. Liberals support the current Amerikkkan prison system at least implicitly: the Democrats’ last presidential candidate was , after all, and she was an integral part of that system. Sanders? The genocide apologist who recently said Trump’s immigration plans had some good points?
No, it’s the same one, how many Sandereses are there in Amerikkkan politics anyway?
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said there is one thing he agreed with President Trump about: curbing illegal immigration and the flow of fentanyl into the country.
Sanders joined ABC News’s “This Week,” where host Jonathan Karl asked if there was anything Trump has done right.
“I think cracking down on fentanyl, making sure our borders are stronger,” Sanders replied. “Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate, and I happen to think we need comprehensive immigration reform, but I don’t think it’s appropriate for people to be coming across the border illegally.”
The US Media has done such a wonderful job cooping the political category of “Liberal” such that it has almost no meaning. Liberal in this context, means, a person with a world view centered around “Liberalism”, which, above all other things, promotes and defends the concepts of Private Property (not to be confused with personal property). The banning of for-profit prisons, aka private prisons, does not align with this dominate world view within the American political system. The Democrats will align with the Republicans and block Sander’s bill from gaining any momentum.
If sanders really wanted to deal a blow to the American prison system, he would be putting forth a motion to amend the constitution and remove slavery as a constitutionally protected form of punishment for criminals.
liberals are complaining about those exact problems and trying to reform the American prison system.
Sanders has a bill to ban for-profit prisons, for example. do you mean conservatives?
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No, I mean liberals, that’s why I typed liberals.
You’re right, sometimes the liberals complain about it. But who was their last president? The guy who wrote the 94 crime bill and the Patriot act. Who was their last presidential candidate (hand picked, no primary)? A career prosecutor, attorney general, and self described “top cop” of California who famously kept people in prison past their release date, among other unforgivably evil shit.
Hey remind me, is Bernie Sanders a Democrat? What happened when he ran in the presidential primary, did the Democrats rally behind him and his prison reform, or did they vilify him and use backdoor tricks to tank his two attempts?
Yes, Sanders is a Democrat.
in the last presidential primary, he was basically sidelined from becoming the president because he was too cool.
LMAO Sanders is an Independent… I see you’re very engaged politically.
Wrong. Bernie is Independent. The Democrats opposed him and his policies. Were there other liberals you were referring to or did your entire disagreement just evaporate?
Bernie sanders is not a Democrat he’s an independant.
That’s what the other person means liberals suck, berries slightly better but he’s not a Democrat.
The West is to be judged by its intentions, its antagonists are to be judged by their actions.
Nah, they’re judged by what our propaganda says their intentions are.
Yeah, hundreds of millions are out of poverty, but at what cost?
you don’t feel like you’re getting an incomplete picture of the world judging countries that way?
They were describing your process for judging countries, not endorsing it, lol.
no wonder they’re so confused, haha.
you’re all making a lot of leaps.
I’m not confused. I’m also not making a leap.
No, u
@PKMKII@hexbear.net is describing the standard judgement process of liberals. Western countries are typically judged on their stated intentions, eg Biden claiming to have done everything he could to get a ceasefire in Gaza, while actually supplying Israel with everything they needed.
Liberals, however, do not extend such courtesy to non-Western countries, and moreover tend to accept the narrative most pushed in the media about such countries despite distorting the quantity and quality of events.
oh, well…that’s not what’s happening here. I try not to conflate everything with one thing.
The leaps these commenters make are broad.
It seems to me that you’re guilty of being evasive, like when I asked you to clearly state your position on the quantity and quality of the re-education camps in Xinjiang. You’re just wasting your own time more than anything, by lacking a firm and coherent stance and sources to support your argument, you weaken every statement you make.
I’m clearly answering every question and including sources when requested.
that is a novel brand of evasion.
Even in this very comment, you refused to clearly state your position on the quantity and quality of the re-education camps in Xinjiang. This is evasion.
not answering questions I haven’t been asked is not evasive.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
It is exactly what you did though.
not me.
I’m reporting facts rather than judging
there’s no bias on the east or west from my comments.
obviously I can’t speak for the bias if all of these other excited commenters.
I’m interested in actions and intentions, regardless of country.
not just actions and intentions, but complete historical events within context.
No you aren’t
Yes there is.
Lmao. Oh boy can’t wait until this bill is definitely passed in the next majority dem government. Fucking rube.
lol. lmao. Liberals support the current Amerikkkan prison system at least implicitly: the Democrats’ last presidential candidate was
, after all, and she was an integral part of that system. Sanders? The genocide apologist who recently said Trump’s immigration plans had some good points?
nope, different Sanders. and Sanders
No, it’s the same one, how many Sandereses are there in Amerikkkan politics anyway?
Your liberal hero.
Not only it’s appropriate, it’s extremely cool and good. Didn’t Bernie sing This Land is Your Land that one time? Poser ass removed
The US Media has done such a wonderful job cooping the political category of “Liberal” such that it has almost no meaning. Liberal in this context, means, a person with a world view centered around “Liberalism”, which, above all other things, promotes and defends the concepts of Private Property (not to be confused with personal property). The banning of for-profit prisons, aka private prisons, does not align with this dominate world view within the American political system. The Democrats will align with the Republicans and block Sander’s bill from gaining any momentum.
If sanders really wanted to deal a blow to the American prison system, he would be putting forth a motion to amend the constitution and remove slavery as a constitutionally protected form of punishment for criminals.