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A new housing development outside Phoenix is looking towards European cities for inspiration and shutting out the cars. So far residents love it - The Guardian
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I really like it, I got excited. But …can we please build some for sale units in walkable areas and not just rental units? This live-by-subscription bullshit is out of hand
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Careful. You start talking about things being 15 minutes away and conservative whackos will claim you’re trying to put them in an open air prison.
open air prison
I bet they’re pro Israel too at the same time
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To me it’s about having a real home that you can call yours. In many rental properties you can be evicted on the whim of the owner—usually not immediately but after some warning period. Vs ownership as long as you pay your bills you know you’ll have a place to live and where it will be barring some exceptional catastrophe.
Rent is a scam.
Property is a scam
Property is theft
Stability (your (fixed rate) mortgage payment doesn’t change, control (within reasonable limitations, I can mount things to walls, pour concrete in the back yard, rip up the floors and put hardwood, etc), the ability to actually pay it off and no longer have to worry about the payment (even if its a long way out for a 30 year mortgage, you build equity instead of just losing all of the money), the ability to sell the house to recoup equity (not in an investment sense, just in a, this house didnt depreciate like a car would so i can make a significant portion of what i paid back when I do decide to move), among other smaller things.
The critical downsides in my experience are maintenance (no repair guy to fix your water heater), and being locked in, especially during turbulent economic times and personal instability (for example, it’s difficult to ‘up and move’ for a new job.)
That being said, there are also legitimate reasons to rent, though I found as I get older, I wanted more stability, and less having to deal with a landlord dictating me (and being able to enter my house and decide how I behave) even if that means sacrificing some other aspects like better locations.
We only live one time, and I like being able to have a home that is mine and my families, it’s given us a lot of opportunities, like being able to immigrate family members and have a place for them to live with us, something that becomes challenging when a landlord tells you that you can’t have additional tenants, for example.
You have a missing closing parenthesis in the first sentence.
You can actually fix shit. For example, I have electric heating at the moment. Power bill in winter fucking sucks. If I owned the place I would have installed split air.
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Modification and paint the home the way i like.
I would love to see more and more car free cities and other urban sprawling, but I have to say, this centralized business model where this developer is providing all the amenities, passes for the near by rail, paying rent to this developer, basically everything goes through them, they even had an app for the community, this is not a viable solution. What happens when this company is not able to sustain the spending or goes bankrupt, or worse sells majority share to an equity company. A decentralized model that goes through local government is a better option and not through for profit company. Even better option is to start from city center not a separate community on the edge of the city. I know what I’m saying sounds impossible in America, and with lobbying buy auto makers and other large corporate overlords, it probably is impossible. Social change can bring about the difference.
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Why aren’t we building neighborhoods like this in every city in the country?
Old NIMBYs want barren suburbs and they vote
One thing I’ve noticed is that most American cities contain huge, populous suburbs that exert strong political control over the urban core. So in my city the actual dense urban neighborhoods only get one of five votes on the city council (let alone the county where we have straight up nazis on board). This results in an inability to implement many of the policies that we here in the city know will be beneficial, solely because residents in the other 4 suburban districts want to maintain their ability to drive through and park at desirable downtown amenities. In my opinion this represents a failure of democracy because our neighborhoods have very little say in rule making or development even in our immediate surroundings.
Interested in going there to look at it. But I have no reason to go to Phoenix.
Great idea, but they are taking it too far. People should be allowed to have a car, but it should be parked at the edge of the neighborhood and only be allowed to come in for loading and unloading of heavy things.
That way you have all the benefits and almost no inconvenience at all. We have that in many places in Denmark and it works great.
People should be allowed to have a car, but it should be parked at the edge of the neighborhood and only be allowed to come in for loading and unloading of heavy things
That’s exactly what this development is?
I would take it one step further and say there should probably be small (single lane) roads that run through the neighborhood or an underground carpark with a few freight elevators that run directly into the buildings. Why? For a same reason you mentioned that they should allow cars. If you get a new fridge, imagine trying to walk that sucker from the street to your apartment. You probably wouldn’t need very many freight elevators or access roads to significantly decrease the amount of effort required to get bulky and/or heavy objects to your apartment while still maintaining the general feel and spirit of a car-less community.
You really don’t need new fridges that often, the couple times you do just put them on boards on casters and shove. If you can’t: ask your neighbors, it’s a good bonding experience.
What about garbage disposal.
You going to pull that around on casters as well?
Gee I wonder how the pedestrian-only streets in Denmark are doing it? I guess they aren’t and are full of trash.
Stop conflating private car owner-ship with municipal service vehicles.
I guess they aren’t and are full of trash.
I mean… it is full of pesky Danish people tho (/s)
Have you never seen waste containers on wheels?
There’s nothing more American than taking ideas to their extreme end.
But, it’s also not surprising to see this behavior given that it’s a response to the other extreme of cars in every space, in every location.
Walkable towns are better objectively.
Great to see, except Phoenix is not going to be livable fairly soon due to climate change. This project needs to be done in the Midwest.
Somewhat. Cities vary widely in risk and readiness.
https://listwithclever.com/research/top-cities-impacted-climate-change/
I’m not sure there’s much evidence to support this claim. It certainly will be extremely hot but probably not more than some of the hottest cities on earth today. For example, the average temperature in Kuwait City is 10 degrees hotter than Phoenix in July, and people have found a way to live there. People will likely adapt, though it definitely will have an impact on walkability during those hot months.
It’s not the heat, it’s the lack of water.
Maybe but the amount of water needed to sustain human life is quite low. If water is prioritized for human use over agriculture and non-functional landscaping there should be enough. Right now much of it goes to non-essential things.
where… where…
where… fuck! Phoenix
Technically Tempe, one of the most bicyclist friendly areas of the country.
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Ughh I love it. Can’t wait for urbanist youtube to dive into the details, and follow up on how well it works out.
Yeah, thats why theyre so expensive, lots of people want it and very few places offer it.
I would live there if I could afford it.
I think it’s cool in theory, but the area is having a housing accessibility crisis, and it seems to be part of that problem and uses this format to hide that.
(I live in Finland) I was told that in America you cannot travel much by walking because 1) since it was built for cars, stuff is far away from stuff 2) police might stop and question you, give a lift, send home or even arrest you for walking
