One thing that came as a culture shock for me is that I’m used to driving like 4 hours to see relatives. And this is usually several times a year. Then I heard from some Britons that they have rarely visit their relatives who are only like a hour drive away. Really messed me up the first time.
I’ve heard similar things. Like, I’ve had work commutes that are an hour long before. (Not that that’s healthy or ideal, but it’s far from rare)
And they say we should all just switch to electric bikes like in the Netherlands. I tried showing them a comparison of the states using a map but turns out “I am just being difficult”
The “map” is not the problem, you just completely fucked up your city planning. Size of a country has zero impact on your daily commute.
Size of a country has zero impact on your daily commute.
Lol Ok. Guess everyone has to crowd together in comparatively tiny little cities. All this usable land outside the cities is now uninhabitable. Genius.
Let me guess, we will own nothing and be happy, right? Oh and don’t forget about eating bugs!! Yum yum!
Go slink back to hexbear.
Are you completely insane?
Your response has nothing to do with my comment.
Here I’ll speak slowly
We have a big country. Big spaces mean longer commute. City design can't change physics of space-time.That’s not how cities work. That’s just how America decided to approach that problem.
To spell it out for you: your commute is always in your local area. The size of your country is not relevant to your local area. What is relevant, is density. Density though, has nothing to do with the size of your country. Unfortunately, you are about twice as dense as Hong Kong.
I mean, this sounds just like a big city thing, not an American thing. I live in Paris and hour long commutes are common here too.
As European cities are close together though, this can lead to situations where travelling between cities is not what takes the most time. I once (about a year ago) travelled a Paris-London which took me about 5 hours from start to finish - the Eurostar takes only just over 2 hours. The rest was travelling from my home to Gare du Nord, from St. Pancras to my destination, and border checks before boarding at Gare du Nord (thank Brexit for that one).
I get that from other people in the US sometimes, too. I live in Los Angeles county, and when people come from other places to visit they often think they can see way more things in one day than is reasonably feasible. Santa Barbara and San Diego are like 200 miles apart and it’s going to take 5 or 6 hours from one to the other. The Hollywood sign and Disneyland are 30+ miles apart and a good hour separate.
I live in Jacksonville, FL and people overseas often think I’m right next door to Miami because it’s also in Florida. It’s a six hour drive!
I grew up in SoCal and this is why I have barely ever been anywhere. It’s dense enough around here.
I would make the point (not necessarily for an hour’s drive) that the roads are often more tiring to drive on in the UK – that is, they’re not as flat, wide or straight as freeways often are, so require more concentration. Driving for an hour along Welsh country lanes doesn’t feel the same as hitting the freeway for an hour. Just my two cents/tuppence
Yeah, I can understand that. My cars got cruise control. Id doubt thatd be very effective in the UK less your in some scenic area like the Cotswolds.
Canadian here. I drive 4 times a year to my family cottage 8 hours away.
I’m in Winnipeg. A friend of mine has a family cottage 2 hours north of thunder Bay.
It makes no sense to me why they continue to torture themselves by keeping this property.
Why don’t you sell your cottage and buy something closer?
History. My grandfather bought it 70 years ago. It’s an old school house… That he actually went to school in. He died it too.
Besides that, we still have family and generations of friends we still know and love in nearby.
It’s located on an Unesco site on the bay de chaleur. It’s not worth a lot either. Im pretty sure I’d be trading down if I bought another place. I doubt I’d find a spot that beautiful.
Anyway, the drive is stunning and it doesn’t bother me.
Same experience when my wife and I went to Scotland to visit friends. We were in Glasgow and wanted to check out Edinburgh, less than an hour bus ride, for the day. They told us that we were crazy and that’s a whole weekend trip.
We laughed pretty hard. A full hour drive is only half of a daily work commute in Toronto, on a good day.
It turns out it’s not the distance to our family that’s important, we just don’t fucking like them
Then you obviously dont apply to my analogy then. Knew someone would comment that eventually.
I’ve got four different countries, with different languages and currencies, within a four hour drive from my house. I only drive if the road trip is the goal.
There is a story of a guy in England who sent a letter to his friend in Los Angeles. He asked him to “pop in” to New York City to see how his daughter is doing.
The LA guy wrote back and said it would be faster if he went himself.
I really don’t think Euros have a solid grasp of the scale of the US.
Here in Australia, during the 80’s, 90’s before widespread internet. There would be several European’s who needed rescuing each year as they decided to try and walk between major cities, because it looks close on a map.
I remember one German guy who needed rescuing while trying to walk from Sydney to Adelaide…that’s 1200km away…in a straight line.
Joke’s on him for wanting to go to Adelaide, honestly.
Lol, that’s great.
I’ve also heard of Europeans planning vacations in the US, expecting to see New York, Florida, Texas, LA, etc. without realizing how much travel that is.
I met a foreign exchange student in Australia. I asked what they were planning to do for their break.
They’d recently taken up surfing, and couldn’t decide if they wanted to surf the east, west, north, or south coast. So they had decided they would stay in Alice Springs, basically in the middle of all of them, and do day trips to each one.
I didn’t have the heart to tell them that to get to the nearest ocean from there takes about two solid days of driving. Add another day to get to a beach with decent surf.
Found out the same between Tokyo and Okinawa. It’s like flying from Washington DC to Miami. “Just take a train,” is 32 hours, plus time on a ferry.
Not a really a day trip, even though it “seems like Japan is a small country.”
That’s more like saying to catch a train from Miami to Puerto Rico. No one is gonna build all that train line over the ocean for hundreds and hundreds of miles 😆
Canada has a highway that goes between the most easterly and westerly points of the country. If you drove from end to end, stopping only for gas and drive through meals, it would take you about a week.
The most easterly and westerly points on the mainland. You’re not getting from Vancouver Island to Newfoundland by highway.
There are ferries.
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That guy just have been a huge idiot, I’m pretty sure the vast majority of people know how far away New York and Los Angeles are from each other.
Shit if you’re in Los Angeles, you could spend 4 hours just to move 10 feet.
Boston seemed like that too, when I was there, and I’m still wondering why anyone who lives there bothered to have a car. On the outskirts, yeah, but if you’ve got business in the heart of Boston specifically, it seems from experience you should just walk.
if the MBTA ever gets its shit together, cars could disappear entirely in the city
don’t hold your breath for that one
The trains are so fucked that my 7 mile 30 minute bike commute is 55 minutes by train. It’s a straight line with one change.
Driving would be 30-50 aggravating minutes and $450 for a parking space.
Boston is a regional city that bizarrely believes itself to be a major international metropolis. The levels of journey times and cost of living are up to par anyway.
New York City has entered the chat.
No one drives in New York. There’s too much traffic.
Thanks, Yogi. I’ll Berra that in mind
Hawaii checking in. If a highway shuts down, book a hotel on the side you’re on.
Need some more trains.
I hate that people treat the US as if it doesn’t have a wide variety of accents. I can drive an hour in any direction and the people sound different than where I live. A lot of states have their own accents, and there are regional accents within them. I live in Illinois and people from No. IL and Central IL sound completely different from people in So. IL.
Accents get even more differentiated the further North or South you go. PNW sounds different than NE. Etc. The real difference is that a lot of the accents in the US aren’t based on indigenous languages spoken in that region (even though some are), they’re largely based on the group of Europeans that settled in the region.
Americans are very very good at code switching, which is why I think a lot of people think there are only one or two accents.
Man, in my neck of the woods, you can tell which town someone is from by accent. I’m not even joking or exaggerating. This is a rural area, with towns that are close in terms of driving distance, but that were originally formed by distinct immigrant groups. Even with TV amd radio kinda smoothing out accents in general, there’s still plenty of difference.
As an example, there’s a town maybe twenty minutes away where when they say yes and it’s “yay-us”. My town it’s more yeah-s as a single syllable. Two towns the other direction, it’s yeah-us. And that kind of difference is across everything, not just one or two words. The degree of drawl, whether or not you get elisions at specific places in words, it’s all part of it.
People from the dimwit town I grew up in pronounce garage as “gararge” it drove me insane. Also, the main attraction of the town is a gas station that sells ice cream.
I’m from NC. My mom is from IL. Neither one of us can pronounce the word “horror.” She pronounces it precisely like “whore” and I can’t get over it. I, myself, dislike “harrr” movies.
Added bonus: I am a grown-ass adult and the only way I don’t stumble introducing myself is if I do it like everyone else did growing up: by pronouncing the L in my name like a Y. I cannot pronounce my own fucking name and it’s not even a disability. Usually, I just hope no one notices.
One of the more entertaining parts of learning another language is the extra attention to sound has made me super aware, more and more, of what speaking quirks I still have that weren’t smoothed out by the midwestern influence, which is considered to be the “general” American accent.
The lingering Chicago dictates random K’s must immediately be followed by a Y (Shikyaaga!), but the southern part of me demands that any L at the end of a word is a W now and we’re dropping consonants like we drop relatives when they come out as humanitarian. I’m horrified, I feel so bad for any foreigner who has to talk to me.
horrified
You mean harrified?
Yes, I do :(
Lol, I knew someone was going to call me on that.
I grew up in Podunk Northeast Texas so I have the drawl. But I left and spent a lot of time all up and down the eastern seaboard married to a woman that grew up out west. So my brain added every affectation I ran across to the drawl.
Now I have the long vowel sounds in a fairly rapid speech pattern, do the weird O sound they use in South Carolina, will occasionally pronounce house like I’m from Ontario, and have a hard time saying my first name if I don’t concentrate.
I still sound mostly like a shoeless Texas hillbilly bootlegger but with a bunch of exceptions. So it makes me sound drunk as hell, until I am drunk. Then the exceptions leave and I sound like I just got off work at the oil rig and I’m headed to the strip club to cheat on my wife before heading back to the trailer.
I say horror a little bit like “harror”
Is it good ice cream?
Eh. Its ok. They had decent sundaes the last time I went like 6 years ago.
I just doubt it when I heard this argument, here in Brazil even your neighbor have a different accent cause they are son of two German, Lebanese, Japanese or Italian descendants and you are from the same but your other parent are from another culture and then you are so lost you create your own accent that sometimes speaks one or the other holy shit I don’t know who I am.
i never really thought of it a code switching, but that’s an apt description. there’s definitely “professional” me and “hometown-accent-in-full-force” me.
I usually send people this video when they say that all Americans have the same accent. Shoot even within the same cities you’ll find different accents. It does a great job of showing just how different they can all be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMS70m-OzXo
Also from IL, southern. Near StL. The accents change like a proximity ring the further or closer you get to downtown, and even then going Ozarks MO is still different from Troy IL.
When I was in law school I did a deep dive on the formation of Illinois and ended up going down a big rabbit hole of the dialects of Southern Illinois. The reason different parts of southern Illinois have accents that sound so different is because a lot of people settled there from Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina, and even thought towns were closish to each other the accents were very different because of the group of southern settlers. Super interesting. Where I’m from in Southern Illinois people have a very unique and unmistakable accent.
I worked on the river so I got used to every southern and local accent as the line boats came through.
Because comparatively it doesn’t.
Your country simply hasn’t existed long enough pre industrialisation for a broad range of accents to develop.
Europeans have been settling in North America for 500 years. The United States being a young country has nothing to do with the evolution of accents and dialects. When the US was formed the Spanish had been in the Americas for 200 years, the French and English not much less, in addition to enslaved Africans who brought their own native languages to the continent and then were forced to learn English, Spanish, French, or Portuguese. That alone is more than enough time and groups of people for dialects and accents to develop.
Then you compare that to say England, that has been around for several millenia and has had influence from Celtic, Gaelic, Norse, Germanic, French and even Spanish to extent for hundreds or thousands of years before America existed. And then since America existed has had influence from Indians, Chinese, enslaved Africans and other immigrant cultures from around the world, just like America did. Then its just not really comparable at all. 200 years is legitimately nothing on the time scales needed for the depth of accents to form and Americans just don’t understand that at all. It’s like a European talking about 100 miles being a long distance, an American would scoff at that idea.
Americans are very very good at code switching, which is why I think a lot of people think there are only one or two accents.
Is this why I can hear my Finnish friend’s “generic euro” accent when no one else can?
(She travels a lot and has a very, very weak Finnish accent, but a fairly strong “generic European” accent. None of our other European friends can hear it; the only people who can are American and even then it’s inconsistent).
That’s a thing with us Europeans - especially if you don’t want to perfectly adopt a British or American accent. This is when you end up with the “euro accent” - you’re perfectly fluent in English, without the accent of your native language, but since its neither British nor American English, it sounds just the slightest bit different.
Ok, if you’re going to talk accents, you have got to include Pennsylvania Dutch.
Everyone always talks about Southern accents, New England accents, Texas accents, Cajun, etc. Pennsylvania Dutch always gets left out, and I think it’s a fantastic accent.
Doug Madenford is my go to example:
Pff in Australia I can travel over 2000km in a straight line and never leave my state, and it’s not even the biggest.
Now we need somebody from Siberia to tell us how they can drive for 5000km and never leave their federal subject (I had to look that up, it’s what the different regions of Russia are called)
I’m not Siberian, but from what I’ve gathered from the talks of people who lived there, is that people in far east Russia have a weird sense of time and distance. You might be in in the middle of fuck nowhere with the closest living person being like a 100km away from you, but when you call them with some any dumb questions like “Hey do you happen to have a bottle opener?” they respond with “Sure, I’ll be there shortly” and then they do indeed arrive… in 4 hours. It’s as if they don’t have places to be, and it’s totally okay for them to spend an entire day driving to a shop or to friend to lend them a screwdriver. It’s especially baffling to people who lived their entire lives within ~40km Moscow’s ring road and they hear stuff like “Minsk? Sure, that’s like a hand’s reach away - only 720 kilometers. I’ll drop by on the weekend”.
Try in Italy, you drive 2 hours and you need subtitles for understanding the tv series filmed in that city
Traveling across the US is like switching to an alternate dimension where everything is pretty much the same, but a few things are off. Like, Congress is the same, but suddenly there are dunkin’ donuts everywhere and the land is weirdly flat
People say ‘whenever’ instead of ‘when’ and I want to clock them for it.
eta: I’m specifically disparaging the southern US states here. They just flat-out use words wrong, and I can say that now that I’m too far away for them to kick my ass.
Except the guy you’re responding said ‘everywhere’
Thanks for sharing though.
I can see why you’ve read it that way, but I’m quite sure they’re saying that some people say a word slightly differently in another part of the USA and they’re joking that it makes them angry.
Oh I get it. The way it was written makes it a strange non sequitur.
Indeed!
Yes, this, thank you. Sorry, my jokes sometimes come off too aggressive online. I’m trying to work on that.
Nothing like driving for 10 hours and still not leaving California or Texas!
Grew up in South Texas. Going to visit family in Missouri, we would start driving at 5 in the morning, only braking for food and bathrooms, and still have to stop for the night at the Arkansas border.
Yesterday I drove 4 hours and went from northern Minnesota to slightly-less-northern Minnesota.
So Grand Forks to Grand Rapids or there abouts eh?
Just about, yeah. Good ol’ route 2.
Weird. It takes 6-7 hours to go from Minneapolis to the Canadian border… So would you have been driving like Arrowhead to Morehead on back roads?
In Australia, you can FLY for 4 hours and still be in the same state.
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That’s been banned now, right?
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Yeah, quite a few attempts made during the pandemic is what I heard
It’s always been banned. Just like pot.
It’s always been illegal.
There is still a sign at the Portofino hotel in LA with the current record and it is definitely up to date.
Things were better back when you could sail around the world for years and never leave the Kingdom.
In LA you have just completed your commute to and from work on a tuesday
And yet high-speed rail is a foreign concept
I’d kill for public transport. No kidding, point me in a direction.
(Jk)
Start by linking a city in Mexico with a smaller city in the US. The cities will prosper and other cities want to be connected.
Don’t forget that local public transport is needed or you need parking space for many cheap rental cars next to the stations until self-driving cars are available.
Tijuana - San Diego
That’s actually brilliant.
e: Is Canada already doing this? Iisn’t there public transport between Windsor and Detroit? I’m going to look into that.
Please drop a quick note about your results.
I would expect that the high in high-speed rail is necessary. Otherwise it’s not a connection of economically distinct zones. Additionally the economies are more similar so that there are fewer reasons for travel.
Alien might be a better word, but foreign is very accurate
Twice? There’s at least four distinct accents between my house in north east London and my job in the south east of the city.
