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This smells really fishy. They quote her directly when it comes to her taking the side of Palestinians in general (aka, the oppressed population) but when it comes to her supposed support of Hamas in particular, all there is in the article is a paraphrase of THEIR version, not a direct quote.
Sounds like a political hit job.
There’s this idea going around that directly quoting the thing a person got cancelled for is spreading whatever hate they were spreading.
The obvious side effect of such a practice is that people who get silenced never get their side of the story told.
I find that sketchy as well
Actually, it turned out that the article DOES directly quote what she was cancelled for. It was just that the article made it sound like she’d declared her undying loyalty to Hamas when in actual fact she hadn’t even mentioned them. I’m just gonna copy a comment of mine from earlier today explaining the whole thing:
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal," she wrote on the platform on Saturday.
That’s all. If you’re very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you’d think that she was endorsing Hamas as “freedom fighters”.
But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you’ll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.
I don’t think a reputable publication would post hate speech verbatim, even if it’s from someone else. There might be an archive somewhere?
Not true. They post hate speech from right wing politicians verbatim all the time.
As for the tweets being somewhere else, it seems that it’s this:
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal
To the inattentive and/or wilfully misinterpreting, that might come off as an endorsement of Hamas as “freedom fighters”, but note that she doesn’t mention Hamas by name and that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities.
Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear she’s talking about regular people filming the atrocities of the Israeli oppressors and isn’t referring to terrorism at all, unless you define it broadly enough to include the Israeli state terrorism:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day
As I suspected, she didn’t do what they said she did. She just had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime.
I tried to read all her Tweets despite not having a Twitter account and yes, none of them mention Hamas or support Hamas. She’s just telling people to tear down the wall.
Apparently, that’s only okay in Berlin and other places. Clearly tearing down the siege wall surrounding Gaza or the apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.
Down with the goddamn fucking walls.
apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.
Not to mention thousands being forced to go through military checkpoints to reach the nearest schools and hospitals, if they’re lucky enough to even be allowed to pass.
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal— Mia K. (@miakhalifa) October 7, 2023
Tweet deleted, but referenced in this news source
I believe the use of the term “freedom fighters” is the point of contention.
Maybe this were just sick of her bullshit and this was the last straw.
And what bullshit would that be? Anything that would be a fireable offense?
That’s not rhetorical or sealioning btw. I’m genuinely asking since I’m not familiar with her at all other than clears throat some of her early work several years ago…
I don’t know so I won’t speak to that, and no judgement of right or wrong here, but this is the US. Anything is or can be a fireable offense so long as it’s not one of a few specific protected things. In almost every state. So making a post on social media pretty much regardless of content can be a fireable offense if the company deems it so.
Just because it’s technically allowed doesn’t mean it’s not reprehensible treatment of a mostly blameless person, though. I’m not sure it even IS technically allowed, though. She might have a good libel and wrongful termination/breach of contract case…
As I said, no judgement from me one way or another. Also we have no way of knowing what kind of contract she had or whether there was some kind of morality clause. Maybe this violated it. Maybe not.
All I was saying was that, whether right or wrong, employment can be terminated pretty much anywhere in the United States for any reason as long as it’s not a protected thing, which this almost certainly is not. So saying something is or isn’t a fireable offense probably needs some context. Because anything could be a fireable offense if the company thinks it is.
“If you can look at the situation and not be on the side of Palestinians, then you are on the wrong side of apartheid and history will show that in time,”
This post on her part was fine, but the other one…not so much. She should have stuck with this one only, rather than whatever the frick murderous thing that other post was.
That’s the problem with a lot of the pro Palestine movement, they just can’t help themselves and can’t just stop at demanding rights, but wanting the rights of others removed as well. Western nations just aren’t going up empathize with you if you’re murdering and parading women’s corpses around, or if you’re threatening to kill hostages, many of which are children. As much as you may not like it, there’s a difference optically between dropping a bomb and putting a gun to a child’s head and pulling the trigger cause you didn’t get your way.
All i get from this post is “genocides fine, its the other stuff we dont like”
Quite easy to critique a movement you know nothing about I guess.
Poor take
they just can’t help themselves … wanting the rights of others removed
This seems so familiar but I can’t quite put my finger on it…
It’s like she didn’t realize her CEO was Jewish
Not all jews are zionists and implying so is antisemitic. It’s the same old “dual-loyalty” smear levied against jews for hundreds of years.
Guess this one was though, eh?
Example #732 of why ethnonationalism is bad.
yea, but it’s almost always correct.
I did not know thank you for letting me know
What does being Jewish have to do with Israel? Are you conflating the two? Blaming Jews for what Israel has been doing for decades is pretty anti-semetic.
Stop putting words in my mouth
No it’s just that Jews have gotten prickly about anyone criticizing Israel because of how much trouble anti-zionism has had banishing anti-semitism from trying to infiltrate.
It’s only changed because the Neonazis have absorbed enough evangelicals to decide they like the jews having Israel now because battle of Armageddon and “I know revelations says it is impossible to know when the rapture will happen but I’m gonna try and make it happen anyways like an absolute dumbass!”
Keep in mind she was a Lebanese refugee that lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel. I’m not condoning anything she said but she has a somewhat understandable view of the whole situation.
lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel
And what about the conflict between actual Lebanon and what became Hezbollah?
Dunno why this is getting downvoted, the only Lebanese folks who don’t despise Hazbollah are Hezbollah, and the Iranian dispatched clerics.
So it justifies murdering children. Got it. We know where you stand!
Israel just murdered 200 children in 3 days, so far. Was that justified?
Oh, but they’re Palestinian so they don’t count. Otherwise people like you would have lost their minds decades ago.
When the Hamas murders children it’s terrorism, it’s an atrocity, it’s inhuman (and I agree).
When the IDF murders children it’s Tuesday.
It’s on the news every day. And people like you couldn’t care less.
Keep chewing on that nice Zionist propaganda. I choose humanity.
Why can’t we condemn both?
Hamas committed atrocities and Israel has responded with atrocities. That doesn’t make calling Hamas “freedom fighters” in this context any less deplorable.
I don’t think she was refering to Hamas as freedom fighters. Everybody was just eager to put it in her mouth (eh).
Answering your question, yes, we can condemn them both. But in different ways.
Israel “created” Hamas. You can only push a people so far. The oppression and humiliation, generation after generation is bound to create extreme hate. And that’s how shit like Hamas sprouts. Israel has been breeding that hate for decades.
But…Hamas actions are still their own. I can live in a world with Israel if Israel changes. But Hamas has to go. But something else will appear if Israel keeps pushing on the Palestinians. Hamas is a symptom.
The cycle of violence has to be broken. And the one that has the upper hand has to do it to be effective. The 2 state solution is dead. It’s ironic that these 2 peoples can’t live with each other but at the same time they need each other.
Palestine is too fractured to thrive without Israel. Israel, while it might not seem so, needs to make good with Palestine to consolidate its place in the region. Without that peace Israel is doomed on the long term. When the chips are down and the US is not there to help they will find themselves completely isolated surrounded by hostile countries. And that Israel cannot survive.
Is there a quote for the other post? I heard it was just paraphrased, so we don’t know what she actually said
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal," she wrote on the platform on Saturday.
That’s all. If you’re very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you’d think that she was endorsing Hamas as “freedom fighters”.
But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you’ll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.
Holly shit the mental gymnastics here are astounding. You’re just casually assuming that she is some kind of top geopolitical expert.
Nope. I’m merely refraining from assuming without evidence that she’s endorsing terrorism.
You don’t have to be “some kind of top geopolitical expert” to know that Hamas don’t tend to film their atrocities themselves and that oppressed Palestinians very often film the atrocities of the Israeli occupation forces.
If there’s any mental gymnastics here, it’s in confusing common knowledge for elite geopolitical expertise.
I think you don’t realise how little knowledge “common knowledge” actually is. Peolple on lemmee arent you’re average joe when it comes to geopolitical knowledge. I am not dismissing her knowledge eitherx but i believe you are overestimating it.
Yeah because a Lebanese-American public figure who sympathises with the plight of Palestine has NEVER had to answer bad faith arguments equating Hamas with all Palestinians and would thus have NO need for more knowledge about the methods of them than your average inattentive and incurious casual ingester of pro-regime billionaire-owned American news! 🙄
there’s no way a thinking person would come to the conclusion you just did
There’s no way that a rationally thinking person WOULDN’T. How’s the weather in opposite world today?
I’m confused. Who else is fighting besides Hamas and the IDF?
There are other kinds of fighting than violence on a grand scale. Regular Palestinians are fighting the apartheid regime in ways big and small every day.
Thanks, that’s pretty much what I figured you’d say. The down vote was a nice touch.
Yeah, I have this odd quirk of downvoting sealions when they ask bad faith questions with obvious answers that they refuse to accept. I’m kooky like that!
How do you distinguish between a good faith question and “sealioning”?
What a shit article. All she did was support the Palestinian cause and now they’re putting shit in her mouth (no pun intended).
I don’t like how the narrative is being forced in this conflict. They are clearing the way for something very sinister. We’re about to witness a western sanctioned genocide. There’s no way Israel is letting this opportunity go.
Something is going to happen soon in the West Bank too, I call it.
Look man, you can support Palestine, but telling the soldiers to turn their phones horizontally for better execution videos of civilians is a bit much.
Is that what she said?
She did, but she removed it https://twitter.com/miakhalifa/status/1710663220619313397
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal— Mia K. (@miakhalifa) October 7, 2023So… she didn’t say that. Those words are very different.
Well, that’s your choice to side with her on that. A lot of people are interpreting it as 1) a terrible time to try to be funny and 2) can easily be interpreted as support for Hamas, until she got a ton of backlash and it started to cost her money and then she ‘totes didn’t mean it that way, just a prank, for realz!’
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Hmm. That’s actually not that bad.
It’s nice to see original sources for things. Everyone likes to twist and distort reality to support their agenda.
you mean another Western sanctioned genocide?
China with Uyghurs has been going on for a while with no response from the west.
Saudi Arabia, UAE etc wih Yemen, the weapons were sold for ot by the west.
I’m not sure how you consider the Uyghurs a western sanctioned genocide, if anything it’s only the western media that is drawing any attention to it whatsoever.
no sactions though, are there?
So… The west is the only one who gives a damn, but somehow it’s their fault because they’re not doing enough?
does the west give a damn though?
media reporting it I don’t really qualify as giving a damn.
I would also wager that if I go out on the street here in slovakia and start asking people about it most people would look at me like an idiot and say, WTF is “Uyghurs”?
Slovakia is like, the most eastern of the West
To be fair to the US, Biden stopped any more arms export to Saudi because of the actions in Yemen. Although, one could argue that the Saudi-led military intervention in Yemen is a magnum opus of a clown show for Saudi (until Russian invasion of Ukraineeclipsed it of course), so I think Biden thought there isn’t really any more point to bet on a losing horse then.
That is enough of a sin though
I came here thinking this sounds like she might be getting woke-cancelled for suggesting Israel is pure as driven snow…
Khalifa even urged Hamas fighters to “flip their phones and film” executions horizontally in one of her posts.
Nevermind, she can go fuck herself with a cactus.
If you think military fighters executing civilians is an acceptable strategy, you probably deserve to be among those civilians and see how you like it.
They took her comment grossly out of context for effect. The actual quote was…
“Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal."
Yeah, pretty tasteless, but it’s not what the article makes it out to be. She’s largely getting dragged for openly criticizing Israel’s genocide and the media is skewing the situation to make her look worse. Can’t have the masses questioning the party line and all.
The real controversy seems to be around her calling them fromage fighters.
Edit: FREEDOM fighters lmao, but I can’t bring myself to fix it.
OMFG, I want to be a fromage fighter so bad.
Yes, please leave the fromage ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪
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Telling a porn star to “go fuck herself” made me chuckle more than it should
Considering Israel is carpet bombing and entire city of non-combatants perhaps you should get some perspective.
So two wrongs do make a right, then?
FUCK Hamas with a cactus FUCK the Israel government with a cactus
Agreed
You don’t need to know that Israel are carpet bombing a city (which is wrong) to know that Hamas executing civilians is also wrong. Neither side are justified in the horrific war crimes they are committing.
Never said it was, dude.
They beheaded literal babies. .
Maybe check that again. Those reports came from a less than reputable Israeli newspaper and was based on claims from IDF sources. There’s no independent confirmation. It’s pretty much just war propaganda to dehumanize the Palestininans and clear the road for the atrocities to come.
I see Im required here…
Your moment has come!!
Isn’t she the pornstar that tried desperately not to be called that and to have that stuff forgotten? Why was she at playboy anyway?
She’s flip-flopped multiple times on it. She’s happy to be referred to as a (former) porn star when it financially benefits her.
She was doing a podcast for Playboy.
Lol of course she was.
She’s Arab, and hated by her own people who want her dead, but holds fast to her programming and prejudices. Also every Arab nation has refused to help Palestinians or take them in, cause they don’t care about them either. It’s all talk, and she’s not gonna help Palestinians either.
The problem with “taking in” the Palestinians, is that it actively helps Israel’s ethnic cleansing efforts and theft of land/property. Israel has stolen peoples homes, land, and livelihoods, and has been doing such since 1947.
You have to be careful with that sort of thing. Also, there are a fuckload of Palestinians, Most countries are not setup to absorb millions of extra citizens.
Even so, a lot of Palestinians have left the country over the decades, and have ended up in those same Arab nations you claim won’t take them. The Arab nations just can’t take millions at once.
Solution: Everyone has to leave. Israel becomes a wildlife preserve/world heritage site. Nobody but staff visits for a hundred years.
Maybe they can move that fucking ladder.
Religion is so fucking dumb
That was a riveting read. I desire to move the ladder.
Just release some termites near the ladder lmao
We belong to no sect, we can move that ladder knowing all of those people will hate us for moving it.
Better yet burn that ladder with a magnifying lens from a distance and see them all have a shit fit.
We’ll have to nuke the place, honestly. Move everybody out, nuke the shit out of the whole holy land until it’s radioactive so they won’t want to move back. Otherwise, they’ll refuse to leave. That’s the only solution I see.
Ah, so this is how the Children of Atom started
What’s that? Can you give some cliff notes?
Fallout 3 my dude bro.
Aah, never got around to playing that
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I thought up another solution:
God Hoax
We have the technology to make a hologram of God, or to perform a fake miracle of some kind.
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Make a fake miracle happen in Israel/Gaza where lots of Israelis and Palestinians can see it.
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Get a bunch of Palestinians and Israelis to convert to a new peaceful religion where the only way to go to heaven is to treat everyone like you would treat your family, with love and respect. It would have to be a straightforward religion without all the mumbo jumbo left up for interpretation.
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Pizza party?
If there’s a pizza party at the end I’m down. It’s as realistic as my solution, but with pizza
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Gaza is extremely over populated and is inhabitated almost exclusively by Palestinians. Taking some of them (those who want) would not contribute to cleansing in any meaningful way. The truth is that Muslim countries don’t really care about the Palestinians other than using them as a political tool.
There are living 2 million people in gaza. Germany has currently 1 million Ukrainian refugees and poland also another million. So it is not like it would be impossible for the arab countries to absorb them.
I’m with you though when it comes to your point that they do not want to give up their presence as a thorn in Israel’s expansion. They (the Muslim Arab world) would never again gain a better bargain against Israel. Giving them the land would be a victory for Israel that would hang like a shadow over their history for centuries - or so they see it. The Arab world can (from a religious standpoint) never accept the jewish nation invading their sphere. If it were not for Israel, the Middle East would have formed a strong combined player in the geopolitical game. For some moments in the early 1900s it almost looked like syria were able to unite the Arab world to transform it into a single voice sitting in between asia and Europe. But external forces and internal ethnic differences and in the end the Israel state made it permanently impossible for the region to unite. The fallout is what we see today. If it were not for the religious aspect and the Arab world would have given Israel „its land“, it might would have even started relations with each others by now in economy and technology, being a vital partner in developing the Middle East. But both the arab world and Israel are the religious bigots that they are and that is hindering the evolutionary development in their own interest.
I I think the west knew how much the Arab world would chew on this for the next century when they bid to put Israel in that area. The power move by the Arab world would have been to accept it and create political relations with it to profit from this strong economic player. But some in the west knew that this would be impossible for them because of their deeply religious rooted society. It will keep the Middle East out of the game for another better half of half century. To profit from Israel would mean for the Arab world to transform their nations from a theocracy to a modern national state, where not religious doctrines are used to narrate to their people for control. But the people in power need the theocratic narration to stay in power. A strong Middle East would have been a United Middle East (Syria 1900s), where a national state is put above the theocratic narration to keep control of the people while benefiting hugely from trade and technology as religious differences is not hindering talks with one another anymore (Inside and outside). Israel would have never happen to a United Middle East and now they can never change because the differences is absorbed into their theocratic narration. They are locked into a limbo of not being able to progress - all because Israel.
I don’t think that’s the case - if it was the plan, why would the British have tried to block immigrants from reaching Palestine?
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/exodus-1947
Yeah it is weird that your link is not providing any information about why they did it. I would say the Wikipedia has a better text about it, while also not going to deep:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Exodus
Your first have to understand the territorial occupations at the time of 1946 and who was invested in the region. After the ottoman empire fell Britain gained foot in the area of palestine around 1919. It was only possible by a coalition with the Arab neighbors in the region that were more fond of the british than the ottoman disarray.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine
After WW2, Britain had a big interest in keeping this area in control and not further develop conflicts in the area by the refugee of jewish people coming from the european camps, that would clash with the coalition partners from the arab countries in the region. The efforts made to create a jewish state was mostly driven by the US, and not britain:
In 1947, the UN adopted a partition plan for a two-state solution in the remaining territory of the mandate. The plan was accepted by the Jewish leadership but rejected by the Arab leaders, and Britain refused to implement the plan. On the eve of final British withdrawal, the Jewish Agency for Israel, headed by David Ben-Gurion, declared the establishment of the State of Israel according to the proposed UN plan.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine)
You can see how britain lost control of the whole region the moment they gave in. Up until this moment they were still hoping to keep the jews out and keep the control of the country. That is the reason they blocked the Exodus. There is also a good take on the SS Exodus Article on britains stance until the caved into the UN Mandate:
Britain’s position was summed up by John Coulson, a diplomat at the British Embassy in Paris, in a message to the Foreign Office in London in August 1947: “You will realize that an announcement of decision to send immigrants back to Germany will produce violent hostile outburst in the press. … Our opponents in France, and I dare say in other countries, have made great play with the fact that these immigrants were being kept behind barbed wire, in concentration camps and guarded by Germans.”[56] Coulson advised that Britain apply as best they could a counter-spin to the story: “If we decide it is convenient not to keep them in camps any longer, I suggest that we should make some play that we are releasing them from all restraint of this kind in accordance with their wishes and that they were only put in such accommodation for the preliminary necessities of screening and maintenance.”[57] The mission of bringing the Jewish refugees of Exodus 1947 back to Germany was known in diplomatic and military circles as “Operation Oasis.”[55]
Look at what’s happened to the counties that did see influxes of Palestinians in the last century. Everytime it’s ended up with them kicking off more conflict in their host nations. Even the small disporia in the western world couldn’t help themselves but go out and celebrate these attacks and make antisemitic spectacles themselves. Why would anyone want them?
Can you people just fuck off already. Go to Truth social or something if you want to push this bullshit.
So Black September never happened? The Lebanese civil war?
they don’t care about them either
When you say “either”, are you referring to yourself as the first person who doesn’t care about Palestinians?
I’m referring to you.
Reading these comments is fucking insane.
Calling Hamas “freedom fighters” is an insult to every real current and past freedom fighter in history of mankind.
Freedom fighters dont choose targets that are exclusively civilian, they don’t hunt down and execute civilians, nit caring about their beliefs or standing. They don’t spread terror among the civilian population. All of these things make the thing they are fighting stronger and puts the rest of the population against them. It’s what terrorists do.
Why do you think people in the zionist government support Hamas?! Because it serves to justify the hanous things the government does against Palestinians as a whole.
Real freedom fighters choose infrastructure, smaller military targets (that are reachable), political assassinations of the government officials they are against, et cetera.
These cause civilian casualties, but the civilian casualties are not the goal, they are the byproduct.
Palestinians deserve so much more than Hamas, but Hamas won’t let them choose. They silence or kill anyone who disagrees with them, be it Israeli of Palestinian.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Fuck Hamas.
There is no such thing as “real freedom fighters” War is not a moral thought experiment.Terrorism is at the end of the day a a military strategy. Which freedom figheters, militas and regular armiees use all the time.
It’s incredibly heartless to say such things
It would be if using or not using terror would be orthogonal to success in war. War is a zero-sum game and you simply can’t throw out anything giving advantage - you’ll be punished by evolution, as simple as that.
Unless you are in some artificial situation where rules of war are respected and if they are not you are punished by neutral sides. Sadly our era doesn’t have any such mechanism despite all the declarations. It’s not Frederic the Great’s time.
She did clarify that she was talking about Palestinian civilians filming the missile attacks on civilian homes and such, calling them freedom fighters for documenting atrocities
It’s what terrorists do.
This particular sentence is not entirely correct, as it implies that freedom fighters can’t use terror tactics and thus be terrorists.
Say, if some Armenian force (there are none that’d have the balls) would bomb the Mingechaur dam, the pipes and infrastructure going through Tovuz, other smaller hydroelectric objects etc in Azerbaijan, - these would be actions aimed at fighting for freedom, but very important part of their effect would be terror.
In some way any violent activity aimed at denying someone their feeling of safety is terrorism. Like, say, allied bombing campaign of Germany (its goals were even formulated like that).
I agree that Hamas are not freedom fighters, their ideology is pretty Nazi.
There is again difference between blowing up a strategic dam and attacking a concert full of civilians.
First can have some actual strategic importance, cutting out energy, interrupting travel, et cetera.
It causes terror and civilian causalities, but that is again, a byproduct. If the latter is greater than the former it doesn’t add to the revolutionary goal, I would argue it damages it and causes more harm than good for the group.
Second is pure terror, it serves no purpose for the group, vilianizes them to the public and makes the government they are fighting against stronger.
Any action that doesn’t help with a revolutionary goal or even detracts from it, is useless.
Any action with no strategic importance and only creating terror is not only evil, but harms the group more then it helps.
There is a massive difference between terrorism and freedom fighting.
I am not saying freedom fighting groups don’t do terrorism, we dont live in a perfect world. What I am saying that terrorism has no benefits and only harms not only the innocent but also the group commiting it.
OK, with this I agree.
Putting aside whether terror is strategic, taking hostages is a strategy.
Killing houndreds of innocent unarmed civilians isn’t
Are you saying if one element of their response isn’t strategic then it doesn’t matter about the rest?
Nope, as I stated otherwise.
I am saying that non strategic acts harm the cause more than strategic help it.
Hamas does much more non strategic acts than strategic acts, to such an extent that calling them a freedom fighting group is objectively false.
Hamas hunt down and execute civilians? I mean I’m pro Hamas, but even if you think they are evil, you know they need them for Negotiations and hostage exchange right?
Yes. Literary, yes. Hunting down and killing random civilians was their stated goal.
They might say that they took the hostages for negotiations, but it’s much more likely they took them as human shields. Just how they always used innocent palestinians.
It’s funny how you can unironcally say that you are pro hamas. You might as well be pro ISIS or pro Taliban.
Pro Taliban yes, pro ISIS no. They are different things.
Where did Hamas state their goal is hunting down civilians? Do you follow their Telegram Channel, or that of the spokeperson Abu_'ubaidah or Al-Jazeerah? I mean you can say this is their real goal that you deducted from watching media, but not the stated. Hamas are not even using hate speech against Jews or Israeli group anymore, they declare their enemy as Zionism.
Besides you say Hamas are using human shields, Hamas actually have a network underground, so they are always away from Israeli bombing and they state that. It is literally a hobby for Netenyaho to bomb Palestinian Civilians to pressure them so they turn back against Hamas, exactly how Terrorist movements work.Captured documents of hamas fighters clearly state that their targets were mainly civilian.
What did she say? I don’t want news to tell me how to feel.
She said that the execution and murder videos would have been better viewing if they had flipped their phones horizontally.
I mean that’s incredibly poor taste and way out of line, but I wouldn’t call that “pro-hamas” or deserving of being fired.
It has more taste when you realise it wasn’t referring to videos of the HAMAS atrocities, but of Israeli atrocities.
Some people take the portrait vs. landscape argument way to seriously.
There is no extreme too extreme in the war against the verticles.
And we still haven’t made a phone that does landscape video while held vertically.
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Article says she said more, but doesn’t detail what it was.
Article lies. Also, the deleted tweet that got her immediately fired in a quotetweet? That was the one.
I thought you were joking at first. In what universe could this be considered supporting them?
I agree with Mia Khalifa
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.
Not even that. She’s not talking about HAMAS, but about average Palestinians filming atrocities by the IDF
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal
That’s the true crime against humanity here.
It’s pretty obvious what the intention was behind that original tweet and now she’s trying to spin it because it’s costing her money.
It was heinous! That’s all you need to know. The content has been judged and all you need to know is that judgment.
Imagine, a normal citizen attempting to interpret words himself!
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So your job is to be a sexy liberal Arab but not, like, too liberal or too Arab.
And definitely not praising the people who just went through a music festival with guns and indiscriminately killed people and dragged off other ones.
A woman whose husband is missing was being interviewed. She said that whenever her baby would cry in their hiding place, bullets would fly through the wall of the shed where they were hiding.
Why anyone would have praise for that organization I cannot fathom.
Politics is kind of fucked
So solidarity with Israel is “cool” and “supporting the cause” but god forbid you actually say something for the oppressed. Fuck them
Uhh, dude? Hamas is just a terrorist organization. They murdered a bunch of babies by cutting off their heads. You can support Palestine and oppose Israel’s settlements without carrying water for a group that does shit like that.
The only source of that “beheaded a bunch of babies” claim seems to be a “news” site called I24… A site that is mostly truthful when not talking about Israel and Palestine, but has flat out invented stories that push their pro-Isreal narrative,
Every other mention of the story so far seems to point back to that one site.
No, it’s since been confirmed by numerous news organizations from all over. It happened. Hamas did that.
Who confirmed it for those news organizations? All I’ve heard is that the IDF said “we swear it happened, bro, just trust us”
You’re kidding, right? So IDF soldiers who were interviewed as they were moving bodies out of the kibbutz were just lying?
Don’t do this. Don’t carry water for barbaric, inhuman acts like this. You can support Palestine’s freedom without condoning the beheading of children or trying to convince yourself it didn’t happen. Too many independent reports have corroborated it now. The BBC interviewed individual soldiers who had to deal with the insanity afterwards, and they’ll be scarred for the rest of their lives by what they’ve seen. Don’t belittle it.
And don’t belittle the Palestinian quest for freedom by defending monstrosity done in their name. Hamas isn’t Palestine.
Personally I would like it corroborated with bonafide evidence rather than word of mouth of a belligerent party. I’m skeptical, but only for the above. I imagine if there is truth to this that a human rights watch dog will seek the same proof.
But with that said, I didn’t need a report like that to condemn Hamas for this renewed conflict in the first place. This does absolutely nothing to help the Palestinians and absolutely everything to hurt them. Every way you slice this you just end up with senseless tragedy and loss of life on every side.
I just heard an interview with an Israeli who saw it firsthand, the interview was on CBS news. I think that’s a respectable enough organization to assume it’s true until proven otherwise by watchdogs.
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At least they don’t tend to go around taking hostages and raping them. Honestly I was almost supportive of Hamas in this, before finding out that they’re behaving even worse than the animals they claim to be fighting. I think you loose all legitimacy when you go out of your way to cause unneeded harm
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. They murdered a bunch of babies by cutting off their heads.
using mod tag to repeat IDF propaganda lmao
Lemmy automatically marks comments from mods as mod comments. This isn’t Reddit. I’m not talking as a mod, I’m just talking as me.
But it’s not IDF propaganda. It’s been confirmed by dozens of news outlets now. It happened. Stop carrying water for people who would do that. Hamas isn’t Palestine.
Mate you’ve been duped by Israeli soldiers. Of course the horror of the deaths is deplorable. But they’ve embellished it, its atrocity-propaganda.
how do you not understand that every single “confirmation” is just a different outlet posting the exact same “source”?
there has been not a single iota of proof produced.
You lose your oppressed card when you murder concert goers and kidnap children.
You know there were a lot of folks who happened to be in New York City on September 11th, 2001, who happened to get the business end of some retaliation for the shitty things our country did during the Cold War. More so, a lot of them (if not all of them) distinctly didn’t have any direct connection to the thing that was being retaliated for.
So do we get to take the innocent card from those folks who died that day? No? So curious as to the special circumstances that applies to the folks who are tired of Hamas’ shit in the Gaza Strip but can’t leave because Israel won’t let them and they can’t get rid of Hamas because they’ll just kill them. What’s the special case that means those people who are tired of this conflict don’t matter or aren’t worthy of being called oppressed?
And thus the circle is complete and peace unattainable.
You should perhaps remember that a few, very few, had a part in the terrorist attack and the terrorists have claimed to have done the crime for the exact same grievance in the other direction. If you pay attention you may discover that punishing those involved shall offend no one, where as blowing the fuck out of innocent People’s homes in no way helps and is assured to get lots of condemnation.
Maybe the hill you die on shouldn’t be murdering and executing innocent civilians there chief. Just a little tip for not being a complete piece of shit.
Over a million of Palestinians since the 1940s, including over 50 kids this year apparently means nothing.
Oh my bad. Then by all means start executing people in the streets and drag their naked bodies around to be paraded then 🙄
I mean you opened your mouth wide enough for your foot with that one. I don’t know what you expected to happen when commenting about a geopolitical situation that’s grown a gravity so large it’s collapsed in on itself to the point that because your comment doesn’t specify a side it can be validly used by someone on either side of the debate.
But what about ism?
Senseless killing does not justify more senseless killing.
That’s not what-aboutism.
What they’re referring to deserves to be talked about and brought up as it is demonstrably intrinsic to a conversation concerning Israel-Palestine relations.
Had they brought up literally any other country it would be what-aboutism. You can’t just throw that term around every time someone issues a counterpoint that you don’t feel is valid.
Starting the count from the 1940s seems pretty convenient. Jews have been a persecuted minority in the region for centuries previously.
Using history to justify atrocities will just end up in endless misery for everyone. Particularly in the middle east.
Unless you are going back to the war with the Romans, the Jews were not a persecuted minority in that region any more than any other minority, which would include the Arabs themselves seeing as they were controlled by the Ottomans for hundreds of years previous. The Jews were tolerated, and there was a very small religious community living in Jerusalem during the hundreds of years of Ottoman control that got along perfectly fine. The greater diaspora, especially in Eastern Europe through the 18th and 19th centuries was, however, constantly persecuted and were victims of numerous pogroms.
The Zionist movement was a reaction to the fact that European countries could not be trusted. It was a common cycle that the Jews would make a living for themselves, beginning to think that they could finally establish a home but then get attacked, scapegoated, and forced to flee. It was the Eastern European Jews fleeing such pogroms who would make up the majority of the first settlers of the Zionist mission in Palestine.
All this is simply to say that when people claim “oh they’ve been fighting there for thousands of years” and “the Jews were being persecuted there for so long” is not accurate. There really has not been a Jewish presence in the region since the Jewish revolt was put down by the Romans 2,000 years ago. While the current conflict is decades old, it is entirely related to the circumstances around the founding of Israel.
This is not entirely accurate. For most of history Jews were tolerated in the region, but even then they were systematically discriminated against through the legal system that would for instance not allow a Jew to testify against a Muslim in court or subject jews and other minorities to taxes not levied on Muslims.
By the late 19th and early 20th century the Muslim world began engaging in the same sort of anti-semitism and pogroms that had mostly been limited to Europe prior. This did largely have its roots in the European influence on Middle Eastern nations but nevertheless the rise in anti-semitism(for lack of a better word since most parties are semitic) in the middle east predated the formation of Isreal in 1948.
It is certainly true that this discrimination was less than they faced in Europe for most of the history of the middle east, but being better than that is a very low bar.
Zionism is anti-semidic.
Next.
What does that have to do with her explicitly stating her approval of the execution and murder videos?
Did she actually do so? From whats posted here she made a poor taste joke criticizing their filming. While perhaps bad judgment, that alone isn’t remotely supporting anything.
I don’t know if I can jerk off to her in good conscious anymore.
Ill never enjoy jerking off to her again. From now on, Ill only be angry and disappointed while jerking off to her.
The hijab thing got a whole new dimension
Were they pro-Hamas or pro-Palestine?
Pro-Palestine. One of her posts was ambiguous - "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”
The media propaganda machine was more than happy to pretend that was directed to Hamas, and then went on to fabricate that it was in reference to civilian executions, but it’s all 100% bullshit.
If at a time when terrorists of Hamas are releasing a ton videos of their terror attacks, you say "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”, then you are calling those terrorists freedom fighters. And if you call terrorists freedom fighters, then you are tacitly supporting those terrorists and their acts of terror. Especially if you do this right after one of the most brutal attacks against civilians that we have seen in the last few years.
You can assume that’s what she meant, but you don’t actually know that - you’re just putting words into someone’s mouth. She even clarified later that’s exactly what she DIDN’T mean. This is also a time when Israel is bombing largely defenseless citizens. If you’re going to make assumptions about the intent of a statement, it’s also valid to assume she’s referring to this.
Not every Palestinian is a member or supporter of Hamas, and not every person who fights for the freedom of the Palestinians is a member or supporter of Hamas.
Since she was joking about civilians executions, I think they were pro go fuck yourself mia
Since she was joking about civilians executions…
Except she wasn’t. That’s the line the media is pushing but, if you actually read what she wrote -
“Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”
/- there’s no reference, direct or inferred, to Hamas or civilian executions. The propaganda machine is working overtime.
If the 'freedom fighters" aren’t hamas, then who was she talking about?
Any of the civilians in the Gaza prison camp that documents the situation could be reasonably called a freedom fighter.
Are they taking vertical video?
When referring to execution videos then yes, you’re a dick when saying that.
I’ll never understand why people like you seem to practically fall over themselves, making things up to justify being upset at situations. You’re all bizarre.
Anyone that gets their geopolitical opinions from a pornstar has some serious self reflecting to do. Firing her, or leaving her employeed, will make little difference in the world.
I don’t think this was about her opinions as much as it was about here shitty taste of humor.
Some people have zero sense of context, it’s laughable lol
Shouting “I support Gaza !!” on every roof RIGHT NOW, has exactly the opposite effect
I too support civilians living their lives peacefully, but we are talking about terrorists here
Israel has been killing civilians for years and have racked up a far higher body count. Are they living their lives peacefully?
I too support civilians living their lives peacefully, but we are talking about terrorists here
Hamas has done awful things, but that doesn’t mean Israel is good.
Before this happened, violenc between settlers in the Westbank and native Palestinians had tripled compared to 2022, to 3 per day, while the world news cycles were preoccupied with Ukraine.
Are you talking about settlers that have for decades stolen the Palestinians ancestral homes? Kicked them out of the house they were born in without any compensation. If that happened to me in my home I would too go radical cause at that point diplomacy has failed.
Ironic that you would talk about zero sense of context when siding with the people ignoring crucial context.
Mia Khalifa was NOT talking about terrorists. She was talking about the oppressed people of Palestine who film the atrocities of the Israeli apartheid government. She didn’t mention Hamas and since they’re not usually the ones filming THEIR atrocities, it’s clear that she wasn’t referring to them either. Especially when you add her own clarification to the equation:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. “I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.”
It was still a bad post, at least based on how it reads to the average unknowing person.
Yeah, it was worded imprecisely enough to make misinterpretation possible, which is always a bad move when discussing contentious issues no matter your intention.
Definitely wasn’t bad enough that she deserved being immediately fired, cancelled and defamed as a terrorism sympathiser, though.
you sound like a post 9/11 LET’S GET THEM TERRISTS boomer conservative
lol I have no skin in the game, being atheist and not jew, and not from US neither
If you believe that announcing “I support Palestine!!” right after Hamas fuckers killed a thousand of civilians would be a great idea, you are delusional
do they hate you for your freedom?
based mia
