It’s lemmygrad, we’re the spectre. I’d bet at least half of the other instances out there block us, there’s only like 300 dedicated users on this instance, and they still can’t stop complaining about lemmygrad/tankies

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    Really shows that liberalism is just a cult at this point. These people see any views outside their own bubble as heretical and become emotionally distraught when their own views are questioned. They’re not able to carry a rational discussion or even make an argument. When they engage with others they just follow a call centre style script where they regurgitate the tropes they memorized. The only tactic these trolls use is to brigade and silence views contrary to their own.

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      They would disagree because “lots of people are liberals.” Which is, ironically, a common defense a lot of cults use to justify why they aren’t a cult.

      The “Call centre” script is pretty fascinating though, reminds me a lot of creationists. You can show them evidence of transitional fossils, biology experiments demonstrating evolution in a lab, it doesn’t matter. They’ll ask for specific evidence, then when presented with it, find some excuse to ignore it, like tone policing or attacking a source for being “illegitimate” or “biased” without even reading it. And when they can’t do that, they’ll just ignore the responses and only interact with the people hurling insults because they can dismiss that much more easily than a reasonable argument.

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      That’s an interesting idea. I’ve said something similar irl, that there’s a bourgeois script.

      There’s no point arguing with someone who goes into it by default. Especially family members. Not everyone uses it, but for those who do, the only end point is an exchange of insults.

      Good examples are reactionary TV ‘news’ presenters. They aren’t interested in the argument or evidence, only providing their audience with another example to confirm their pre-existing worldview. There’s always another quip, another reason why they don’t have to consider a new idea. It’s infuriating. But when you can recognise it, you’ll save yourself a lot of intellectual hardship and emotional pain.

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        Yeah that’s exactly what I realized as well. When you see that people are just regurgitating talking points they memorized, you know there’s no meaningful conversation possible and it’s best to just move on.

    • @OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml
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      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Most people approach politics like a religion. Especially liberals have dogmas and anathemas and they can’t explain to you why they hold them as such. They assume these things simply ARE.

      • @misterslime12@lemmygrad.ml
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        They have the ideology of having no ideology, which is itself an ideology. Liberals are a walking ball of contradiction; why do you think they transform into fascists so easily.

  • @CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml
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    Lemmygrad: 😴

    Lemmy: “tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie”

  • @ComradeGiraffe@lemmygrad.ml
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    Its crazy to see all the complaining about tankies, but I hardly see any complaining about exploding heads. Some people supporting Russia over the US is a big deal, but actual fascists passing laws in the US is barely a passing thought. Hating a foreign government more than home grown fascists is an american past time at this point. Shows where the “centrists” and “free speech advocates” sympathies lie.

    • ImOnADiet🇵🇸 (He/Him)OP
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      Tbf exploding heads is defederated even more extensively than we are, and are much smaller instance than us, a lot of them probably aren’t even aware of exploding heads

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          That’s their secret, cap. They(Amerikan/westernized liberals) hate the working class too; you ever heard how a liberal talks about “flyover country”, “the sticks”, and “the cousinfucker states”?

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            Most western liberals are primarily focused on social issues because of the media narrative centering those issues as the dividing line. The American two party duopoly does not want people thinking about actual economic policies to help the working class, it would make the masses realize they are much more alike than either sides ruling class

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                well, Democrats hate Russia more and Republicans hate China more. Still very similar.

      • @redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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        This is making a lot more sense now. I thought this emoji 🤯 was a dog whistle for something and felt too daft to ask.

  • @knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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    I had an irl conversation the other day which hammered this point home. Westoids cannot psychologically handle being called out on being wrong, not knowing something, and on being prejudiced. That and all the other material reasons we know and discuss regularly mean that this instance, no matter how small, is a thorn in their eye, a spectre haunting their dreams.

    • ImOnADiet🇵🇸 (He/Him)OP
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      Especially the prejudice, it’s always that we need to save Chinese people from their government, it’s always some extension of the white man’s burden couched in softer language

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      It really is treated as a “sin” to be ignorant of something in the west. Personally, I love not knowing something, because it means I get to learn something, but again, education in the west is treated as “that thing that happens when you’re 6-18 and no other time.” and refuse to ever try to educate themselves as adults.

      • relay
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        Yea. I’ve learned to not believe everything I hear anymore. It takes time to look into whether something is true for me nowadays.

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    I love how the Spector seems to imply an evil in the heads of most Normans. I see it in my friends group and I will admit I had heard the line in the past and thought the same. Then I decided to actually read instead of parrot and realized it’s a Spector in the same literary sense as the Spectors from A Christmas Carol that haunt Ebenezer Scrooge.

    The Spector of Communism exposes the world to the material realities of it’s past and present, which lay the stones that lead to the grim shadows of a future yet to come. Shadows, dear reader, that we might change by leading an altered life.

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        In his personal life, Marx was extremely poor at his own finances… He apparently would go on pub crawls where he had one beer at each bar on his street (there were twenty three bars), and would chain smoke and eat poorly.

        Literally me fr fr

    • @MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
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      I still prefer the idea of it being a frightful hobgoblin.

      A mischievous little elf who steals power from the capitalists and places it in the hands of the proletariat. The frightful part only applies to capitalists though, because they slowly realize they are losing their grip. Once the hobgoblin was worked it’s mischief, the power that the bourgeoisie once possessed cannot be regained because the workers of the world realize that they actually had the power all along and that frightful hobgoblin merely lifted the veil that had deceived them into thinking otherwise.