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Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick
they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.
the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.
Oh yeah, they have a plan all right.
Now, the plan isn’t any good and everyone gets screwed, even them.
But it is, technically speaking, a plan!
the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous.
That plan doesn’t work. It assumes that the rest of the world just sits back and takes their crap lying down which isn’t happening. They genuinely think they can just take over Greenland and nothing would happen. I don’t know if they’re intelligent or not, but they’re definitely delusional.
They’ve handily proven time and time again in recent memory how they can in fact just do things and the rest of the world will sit back and take it lying down, though. That’s the problem. Anyone who thinks it’s just an America issue or something like that grievously misunderstands the tenuous house of cards that the pax americana and era of modern peace is built upon. Realistically, how far are you willing to go to prevent fascism? Would you die for it? Would you crawl through the trenches in a land many seas away from home? Some people might say yes but realistically most Westerners and others would never dare give up their creature comforts. It’s not delusional to think the world can change in the way they suggest precisely because they’ve suggested it - that is the hallmark of the fascist movement and what ties their collective ethos together, a philosophy of domination in all aspects.
Idk in short, I agree that yeah these people are certainly morally bankrupt. Lots of them are delusional. Any group of people has some like that. That doesn’t mean we should strawman them. There’s lots of idiots and they might think the US could invade Greenland without causing an international crisis. Either fortunately or unfortunately, these aren’t the people saying that the US wants to own Greenland or that we should go to war with Iran, for example.
The people who control and run this movement are not delusional. They’re dangerous.
Oh, we’re weary all right.
Wary, though I think we’re all weary at this point as well.
i made the freudian slip originally before publishing the comment but decided to keep it in because it felt apt. lol
you should be weary.
Oh don’t worry, we’re really freaking tired and weary of this nonsense.
But we should also be wary of how sneaky these bastards are.
The followers of fascist movements are alsolute morons. The leaders are ruthless and capable opportunists.
One goal was to increase defense burden-sharing with allies. but withdraw from NATO wasn’t a project goal.
Just when I warmed up to the idea that NATO was a necessary evil to counter Putin’s worse evil.
It is but losing the traitor in the assembly is not a bad thing. Now if Europe could jailbreak all that American tech they have in their military gear too, that would be nice.
It also is a necessity to keep the USA from going Putin… Trump wouldn’t stop wanting to be a King. As a King he’d work on becoming the Emperor. As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn’t that big…
As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn’t that big…
Kinda just hoping we can skip all that and go straight to the “Et tu, Bruté?” bit.
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Between this and USAID I can’t say I’m unhappy about it. Of course dismantling imperialism is a good thing, but I also don’t understand. The republicans should be all about illegal invasions, bombing civilians, and installing puppet dictators, so they should love USAID and NATO, yet here we are. Is this just incompetence?
This is literally the behavior of a traitor
Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole
And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I’ve never seen politicians work so fast at anything
4 years followed by 4 years of biden where republicans blocked almost everything but he is now a perfect puppet to blame for everything and now the next 6 months. But Trump already started to refill positions back then.
I’m not saying Donald is a russian asset… But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?
US: “NATO members need to up their defense spending!”
NATO: “Okay, we’ll do it.”
US: “Actually, We’re leaving NATO.” 🤡
asdf
It’s a common American view that the other countries weren’t spending “enough”, whereas from the perspective of everyone else on the planet it’s America that’s spending a hugely disproportionate amount of wealth on killing, and just expecting its allies to do the same.
asdf
I’m pretty sure that last decade or so has shown that Europe doesn’t spend enough. It’s not just Russia’s invasion. Military action in Libya was reliant on the US to sustain more than a few days of action.
That’s fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.
Hey, you know how much money they spend on having this bases? Some regions depend on it.
On the other hand… I think Trump and his mad posse wouldn’t risc being such bigmouths without their Bases in Turkey or Ramstein.
Also their level of megalomanic moronity makes me fear that when the USA leaves Nato it would start attacking the rest of the world. Canada and Mexico first. Then they would find “justifications” to raid through middle america and “bring idiocrazy” to south america. Reinstating slavery for everyone that ain’t “a good godfearing white patriot”… Because… the white race is superiour and needs Lebensraum… Oh god, I’ve heard that shit all over in history class when I grew up in Germany in the 1970ies…
Please, anyone stop them now!!!
I remember german history class aswell, it might get ugly history seems to repeat itself a lot.
Yes, why do people never learn from history… Especially when it endangers their lives
Damnit I remember the frogging digits of the telefonnumber we had in out flat from where we lived until 1980!
We should wait for them to start a war with someone like Canada, and THEN ambush them. But to do that, Russia needs to be overrun.
I think preventing any unnecessary bloodshed should be first priority.
Unfortunately, that’s not how Imperial Presidencies work.
Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I’m just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.
all of which is advantageous for putin.
Not without a lot of bloodshed, unfortunately.
Yup. Doing Putin’s work. So you’re going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.
From a Turkish perspective, it’s fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?
Well, in a democracy it’s important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.
That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.
That is the problem with democracies - they have no active protection of their own because it would be undemocratic on principle.
So we dont buy US military kit. It’s got kill switches and hard to keep running without their support. It’s increasing looking like they aren’t aligned with the free world.
Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.
Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?
Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD
Mike Lee floats a lot of turds, even in excess of what the standard put out. He’s been agitating against NATO membership practically since his first day in the Senate, along with his close friend Rand Paul.
This bill won’t even make it out of committee, unless Lee can get a bug in Trump’s ear over it.
Why do you believe Rutte pushed through the 5% military spending target? It is needed to replace the US in Europe and be a working deterrent to both Russia and the US.
It also is a bad move to leave NATO, as this makes the EU the logical center to coordinate the defense of democracies.
Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker
Irritatingly unlikely, sadly.
Both parties have spent considerable time batting around the 2nd Amendment as a toy in their game. A polarizing empty-promise point with emotional strings attached, so now all the blowhard bullies sexually fetishize weaponry, and many of the types who would disagree with authoritarians are paralyzingly afraid and ignorant of anything “military looking” that makes loud noises.
“Because only cops and troops should have guns!” said the enlightened neoliberals, as they gladly handed over their responsibilities of self-protection and firearms education to the might-makes-right crowd.
“Muh freedom! An’ 1776 or somethin’! An’ own the libs, don’t tread on me!” says the gun “collecting”, MAGA-hat wearing, massive-smoking-diesel-truck-in-the-suburbs driving, angry and scared working man, who carries a copy of the Declaration of Independence (he hasn’t actually read, or if so, cherry-picks the parts he likes) and is completely ignorant on the Bill of Rights, who loudly decries and slanders “The Government™” …but conveniently simps for his abusive bossman and “backs the blue” when they mercilessly beat a bunch of people waving signs and assault reporters. Who waves a Bible (also unread) around yet shows contempt and hatred for his neighbor. Who thinks a bunch of armed insurrectionists storming the Capital because they didn’t like poll results aren’t traitors.
Lol.
Lmao.
God help us.
Many of the people who are opposed to this clown show have been successfully declawed and defanged if their legal processes have fallen apart, which we’re watching happen in real time. They’re also scabs who just want their creature comforts and will keep their heads down hoping “somebody else will take care of it.”
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Oh trump’s definitely not the “daddy” in this relationship.
Not really. European NATO countries are currently strong enough to repel a Russian attack if we so wish. Taking into account how strong the Russia is at the moment. It will be stronger in the future, but we are easily able to increase our strength more than the Russia can.
And if USA withdraws from NATO, then the rest of EU, not only Finland, Baltics, Sweden, and Poland will be forced to take defence seriously. This will make NATO more like it was supposed to be, and it will no longer be used for offensive wars.
But… USA withdrawing from NATO would of course have negative sides:
- a war with the Russia would not end in two days with a decisive victory for us as it would with USA in, but would drag on for weeks at least, likely years. And thousands or tens of thousands would die.
- USA’s allies in Asia would not dare to trust USA anymore and would turn towards China for coöperation, regardless of China’s imperialism. This would make China stronger, which would be bad for Europe.
But still: The EU is the biggest economy on this planet. We are absolutely able to win a war against a country with an economy only as big as one of our 27 member states. We just need to bother to do so. Which means we’ll need to change our mindset. Heh.
Right now nearly all aid to Ukraine comes from Europe and Russia is not able to win that war. At least not easily. That is with Russia in a war economy, whereas Europe half asses deliveries for the most part and obviously there are over a million professional European soldiers with some really good kit around as well.
I’m fairly sure Ukraine is almost stronger than EU combined right now. We would NOT speedrun Russia, and Russia is a death cult that would have hundreds if not millions of casualties on their side, even if we did (saying this as a Serbian, and we are normally very proud of our combat abilities for some reason).
Russia could not even prevent Assad from falling to some militia with some training from Turkey, while Iran was also helping. What do you believe is going to happen, if they would try to fight another professional military? They are not even winning in Ukraine, which gets some support from Europe, while Russia has a full on war economy.
