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I’m done with Google! Watch me rant on Google’s Youtube! Earns me money!
So… yeah.
Why are we giving neonazis attention, again?
i don’t want to watch pewdiepie, can someone explain what’s his beef here
Just downloaded it and skimmed by frames… Seems to be a list of reasons to degoogle. Mentions privacy, security, and how Google is extending fingers into everyone’s privacy by browser, password manager, wallet, phone, etc.
Guy’s an ass, but if this gets people on board with degoogling then good for him.
Really didn’t like him when he was younger, he was a naive swedish kid that didn’t realize that the dumb shit he said online had ramifications because his audience was so big. He helped platform Ben Shapiro to a younger generation when he had him on his channel for a video, he had that scandal where he said the n word, and then of course the clip where he says the glass ceiling doesn’t exist. It’s clear to me he didn’t realize the cultural and political ramifications of that stuff in America because he was never really exposed to it growing up in Sweden, and he was a cocky 20 something that thought he knew everything.
I hope these days he’s realizing how idiotic some of that shit was and is actually trying to use his platform to make his viewers aware of valid issues rather than spouting off about topics he knows nothing about to his viewers who take his word as truth.
He also paid some Africans to hold an anti-semitic sign. To prove people will do things for money I think?
The entire thesis of that video was “fiver and things like that lead to exploitation of the global poor”, the sign thing was just a catchy clickbait thing.
He’s a dumbass.
Can you write here what was in that sign? That catch clickbaity thing that Felix ordered?
As in, would it violate the terms of service here?
I think his reasoning was to see how far the sign holding folks would go for money, and they apparently didn’t really have any limits. Should he have done and shown it on youtube is the thing he can be criticized for
That’s pretty apalling.
What kind of following sticks with someone who humiliates people just because they could use extra grocery money? Just because he had so much cash that he could take a voyercation to somewhere unfamiliar to do it?
If he’s come to his senses, fine. Anyway if new users can’t figure out CWs and pronouns… that’s why we have de-fed, block, and filter…
Maybe someone thought genocide imagery and messaging was a ha ha funny toy. I’m not over it, as someone who deals with hatecrimey stuff on the reg.
Heartbreaking: one of the most deplorable people in the world made a good point.
I mean I don’t really consider him a deplorable person… He was a dumb edgy teen 15 years ago that happened to strike a cord with the overwhelming amount of dumb edgy teens on youtube, and strike it rich. I haven’t paid a ton of attention to him, but from what I saw of his linux and gadget crafting videos, it sounds like he’s grown up a fair amount from his days of scream streaming.
He was an edgy teenager deep into his 20’s.
Valid… but also have to point out he hit big as a celebrity. When you are literally raking in millions of dollars. He was about 21 when he started his channel. and bottom line is, he got views, he got likes, and it turned into real cash. Most of our jobs etc… encourage us to grow up. His job, rewarded him for catering to his base… which of were younger than him.
Everyone is a edgy teenager well into their 20s.
As the joke goes, if your 18 your a child, if your 23 your a teenager, if your 29 your 30, if your 34 your late 20s, if your 35 your 35.
Most people in most western worlds don’t even get to start being an adult till they are well into their mid 20s, which means they only START growing up at like 24-25.
It takes years to actually mature. Anyone who understand this has never worked a job that has frequent fresh to the workforce people cycling though frequently.
I was about to respond with this, you’re still in college in your early 20s. Most of us don’t get a four year degree done in actual four years
We got junior devs in their late 20s because they were doing grad school until like 28
Others have pointed out how people keep growing up in their 20s and 30s. But also as a media personality, you can’t ignore the possibility that he’s playing a character on camera. It could legitimately be he just kept acting like his younger self while recording because that pays the bills
If this was a calculated act, that sort of makes things worse.
he’s still swedish though
He emigrated to Japan a few years ago
The infection spreads…
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and then his allegedly support of nazis.
The nazi one IMO was pretty BS. Largely it came from him playing a game, and commenting that other people were trolling putting up swastika’s etc…
Which I’ll admit, he handled the criticism poorly, did mostly the wrong things because he found it more of a joke than a real thing. He rightly noted that one of the critics was JK Rowling, who he fairly pointed out had no business calling anyone such. When Charlottsville happened is when he actually gave what I considered a pretty sincere fair apology where he basically noted, "holy shit I thought I was being accused of something that didn’t exist, I didn’t realize that nazi’s are actually still so prevelant in modern society so I wasn’t taking things seriously.
Now afterwords him dropping the n bomb on a stream was pretty damn bad, though he apologized and admitted it. Still kind of falls into the fact that he’d been paid for years to join in games with a bunch of edgy teenagers, and at the end of the day if you spend too much time with a group of people, you are going to slip up and talk like them.
Again not calling him a great guy or anything, but I’d say everything in him strikes me as a kid that never grew up (because his life was basically set up encouraging him not to), didn’t understand the weight of a lot of the things he was around, and made a bunch of childish stupid mistakes.
If pewdiepie is one of the most deplorable people in the world you know of. You must live in some kind of alternative universe and in paradise.
The president is pewmypie? I had no idea!
Hey they said one of.
The enemy of my enemy or some shit.
I’ve never watched him, but isn’t he just a Twitch streamer?
What’s he done to earn that title really? We live in a world of genocide, pointless wars and rapists.
Slightly right of neutral on a moving train is pretty bad.
He annoys me, which is arguably worse.
I’ve never watched him (I hated him when he would just scream at video games) but he seems to be a lot more mature these days. He even posted a video on why you should switch to Linux recently
I was surprised that the video was actually quite good.
Calling this guy an ass shows that you have no idea who he is. You’re probably the type of person who thinks they’re well informed but exclusively get their info from echo chambers like Lemmy.
🙄
I disagree. Things seem to get worse when the herds move to them. It’s as if things are good precisely because they aren’t there.
bro, open your mind for a minute. Privacy is for everyone. And we need masses wanting privacy otherwise nothing changes.
I definitely agree with you, but I remember how Digg & then Reddit both went to shit once the masses started to use them. Same with Facebook.
I feel like if we all spread out between multiple platforms, none will become big enough for the enshitification to hit them.
Aha, I understand what you mean. Maybe that’s kind of why fediverse (federation) makes sense. At least with social networks.
-bro, but yeah, good point.
Fair
I think you’re seeing the wrong causation when it comes to enshittification. FOSS licenses prevent that sort of thing from happening. Linux is already, by far and away, the most popular server OS so consumers moving to it isn’t going to make it worse.
I dunno, maybe be less of a hipster bestie?
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend”
How are you going to do that advertising using one of their products? He has 100M followers and he’s a multi millionare, he should close his youtube account and move in another platform
Good point. People should only advocate for dgoogling on platforms full of people who have already degoogled. It’s stupid to try and reach people still using Youtube.
He switched to linux a while back. Now he’s trying to switch as much of the rest of his digital life to FOSS/non-profit stuff. He advocates for duckduckgo, firefox, paid email, graphene os, selfhosted vaultwarden, nextcloud, anything but google maps, kodi, etc.
But not Youtube. Which is Google.
Curious.
I mean…not that curious. It’s his entire livelihood at the moment.
So it’s “You get off Google but not me! And keep subsidizing me!”?
It’s about 15% more understandable, but still, the same crap I expect by default from that kind of person.
Letting perfection be the enemy of the good is why we can’t have nice things.
anything but google maps, kodi, etc.
You had me unti kodi was lumped in with google maps?
I don’t think they’re including Kodi with Google maps, I think they’re just continuing with the list.
yeah. poorly worded.
“anything but google maps” is its own list item, not starting a new list. That list just doesn’t have a googlemaps alternative in mind so they used that.
You need to work on that reading comprehension.
Nah - the english language is just full of ambiguities that people tend to understand through context or intonations from speaking that are lost in text
yeah, that was ambiguously worded.
Just throwing this out there, you can open the video and expand the description and there is a button you can click on to view the transcript of the video and then you can just copy that out into a text editor or read it right there
I’m loving Pewdie’s redemption arc
has he stopped “accidentally” naziing?
He got backlash from his own fans from all edgy and toxic jokes. I remember some of his Indian fans are angry for his PewDiePie vs T-series stuff (T-series: Indian music company).
I think around 2019, he apologized and recognized all the edginess he did, and promised to do better.
For the last five years, all of his content are basically wholesome family stuff or creative activities. Even his recent art journey video are widely shared among young art communities that’s not even his fans.
I wasn’t aware of that, so thanks for the additional context!
I really don’t get how so many people here are so happy that a Nazi is using Linux and doesn’t like Google anymore. That’s not the kind of clown I’d want representing or being a spokesperson for my interests and it’s really making me second guess the people here.
Edit: @nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 's comment has provided info I didn’t have, and recontextualizes the attitudes here I wasn’t understanding, so now I get why there’s support for this.
Grow up. he did.
Might wanna take your own advice. For example, instead of making a drive by shit post, you could have done what another commenter did and actually explain why people are on board with this guy. That person’s comment had me reconsider my position. Your comment just makes you look like an ass.
Yeah this is why it’s so offputting seeing so much praise for him here. I don’t believe he’s ever outright apologized and owned up to what he’s said and done in the past (I could be wrong though?). Last I checked the dude was literally a neo nazi.
My wife was a PewDiePie fan from before the slur incident so I’ve loosely seen some of his content over the years. He’s apologized multiple times, and he’s shifted his style significantly multiple times since then.
Basically in the last few years he’s grown up a ton. He married his girlfriend of a decade or more after earlier refusing marriage, had a baby, emigrated to Japan and now posts tons of creative and day-in-the-life style vlogs
Didn’t he stream a dead body in a Japanese suicide forest shortly after moving to Japan?
That was Logan Paul, and actually the Paul brothers’ antics actually greatly delayed Pewd’s immigration as the Japanese government actually stopped granting new visas to any social media personalitiws for some time after the Paul incidents.
If I remember correctly he wasn’t able to immigrate until mid-2020 thanks to the Paul Borthers’ lack of respect for anyone
That was Logan Paul around 2018. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42538495
he has. people just prefer to go on judging. how you supposed to feel good about yourself if the people you hate for hating stopped hating?
That’s going to be one long arc though
Let’s hope so.
What’s next, Open source electric car? Building and living in an Earth Ship?
Earth ships are so cool
He’ll be crawling around xmpp chatrooms talking about anarchists soon.
He’s gonna discover Matrix and donate a mill cuz of the slow load times lmao
Is it though? I never paid any attention to him, so I only know that one time he made some kids make a sign with heil Hitler or something like that (which from what I’ve read was just a joke in bad taste, he isn’t a nazi or major racist). Otherwise, I haven’t heard anything bad about him, he was just never someone I cared to know more about and watch, seemed to be mostly for kids. Please, correct anything I’ve said if I’m wrong.
He has had some serious run ins with controversy like the bridge incident and a shooter co-opting the T-Series fake beef but beyond that it’s basically people reacting seriously to him aping Filthy Frank, in my opinion I think he’s made good enough on not shooting himself in the foot now, mostly probably cuz he’s a Dad now and trying to ape Filthy Frank is too much effort.
Same, it feels surreal.
I was typing out in the comments that he should try nextcloud before I finished the video, and towards the end I saw that he was running Nextcloud. Fantastic
started with minecraft & redstone, now linux & degoogling, can we extrapolate that in some years pewd’s gonna start hrt lol
I was just thinking about this: more evidence of the Minecraft to Linux self hosting pipeline.
The programming socks will be the first sign.
There’s no redemption arc because he literally never did anything wrong. His content was always family friendly
Didn’t realize the N word was family friendly lol
which one?
That boy doing so much work for privacy and linux communities. I love it!
Imagine if some big influencers like him switched to peertube, that would be quiet a thing indeed.
It still baffles me why anyone likes him in the first place tbh
I can kinda see it, though he’s not my cup of tea. I like my videos a bit more essay-like and a bit more serious mode.
i get it, and don’t mind seeing him these days, but I don’t seek him out.
Same here. There were times where my eyes went up just hearing mentions of the guy, but nowadays, there are some videos I kinda enjoy watching (rare but yea)
Even just mirroring.
Is there a tool already that makes it easy to upload to both? Idk, I haven’t uploaded a video since like the 10s
I think there’s an option to sync PeerTube channels with YouTube channels in the backend.
I think there are tools that do that, yeah
This is the first time I have seen someone reference the decade as the 10’s and I feel weird about it.
The 20’s last century seemed cooler.
It felt weirder to me a few years ago. But over time a just vaguely identifiable character for 2010 to 2019 has emerged when I think of that decade.
Wait for it, I bet a whole bunch of people mentioned it in the comments of this one. That will probably be the topic of his next video. Although I’m hoping for stopkillinggames.com.
Any influencer that relies on YouTube ad money won’t make the full jump.
Other than that, they’ll very quickly find out that keeping a video focused service running and serving 10k views daily (300k/mon) is very expensive both in storage and bandwidth.
actually for big youtubers, ad revenue from google isn’t all that huge afaik. i’m going only on the LMG breakdown they did, but they only get 26% of their revenue from adsense… that’s no tiny share of course, but i wouldn’t call it completely catastrophic to loose
you would have to factor in the amount of traffic that exposure from youtube gets them for those other monetary functions to get a real sense of how valuable it is to be or not be on that platform. Definitely feel like ethics should always come into play though and a lot of creators are branching out with hosting themselves or patreon/etc.
You can look any youtuber up on socialblade and see their earnings range. It’s not small which goes to show his diversified stuff must make a shitload.
They don’t make a large share of their income from yt ads I believe. Most is from sponsorships etc
The big youtubers rely on sponsorship money way more than ad money. But sponsorship money is dependent on viewership numbers, so that is the main issue
I think they are the only people able to do something like that. Hosting videos is expensive as … you know. But if someone can do it, its them.
How about LBRY? Do you think it’s a sane alternative to YT? I also think peertube is the true freedom, though, I was surprised how quick videos load on odysee
LBRY is cool but I’m honestly sketched out by the creators that currently exist there. It’s mostly weird libertarians and crypto bros plus random porn bots. Also between the first and most recent times I played with it they added a CDN that hosts all of the files and something like 99% of the data I downloaded while farting around on there came from that single official CDN, so very decentralized.
Peertube has actual large creators who aren’t weird conservative podcasters, and tons of different servers already which serve content, and great Mastadon integration which puts it in a much better spot for growth moving forwards than LBRY. You can literally watch peertube videos from Mastadon (Which has millions of active users including some celebrities and government officials) and comment on them from Mastadon, so there’s kinda already a userbase measured in millions depending on how you classify cross-fediverse users
mostly weird libertarians and crypto bros plus random porn bots
Maybe yeah. In fact, the only video I’ve ever watched on LBRY is from a YouTuber named Mental Outlaw
I though (not sure if I remember correctly) LBRY is basically dead after the lawsuits. The network was overtaken and is basically another corpo shait…
Can we stop with the narrative that corporations and celebrities are doing good? This guy is 110 Million people away from doing something for privacy and linux, once he makes 110 million and one person switch to linux or using a youtube alternative he will have done some work in the positive.
I mean… glass half full or half empty… You can appreciate how enthusiastic he was about it and how many people saw the video, or you can just complain… Btw. if he should do more, it will be the positive feedback he gets about it, not the negative one which is just demotivating…
Accurate once againCorrelation is not causation.
so much better
I think it’s ironic that the alternatives to Android (graphene, calyx) only fully work on Google phones.
Three R’s to deGoogling: Reduce, replace, remove.
I would say start by changing your browser and search engine (lots of options out there today), and then set up your own domain for email hosting so you can try different providers.
There isn’t another YouTube with all that content out there, so that one is tough, but you don’t have to 100% de google, 50% is still good. 15% is still good.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
Pobodies nerfect…
Despite the lack of content we should mention peertube any time possible to increase knowledge of it, if nothing else
Your own domain, but you’re safer not hosting your own email servers in general. Just wanted to be clear for anyone reading this. If your mail server is down you don’t get mail 🫠
I ended up using a service that isn’t Google for that with my own domain
And soft lock yourself… log in to the DNS portal you need 2FA from your email… while your email is having DNS issues lol
Your own domain for email hosting is a massive pain in the ass. Have you not run into a million problems with other hosting providers refusing you for possibly spam?
Self hosting an email server is a pain in the ass and I don’t really recommend it.
Buying your own domain and using it in whatever email provider you want is very easy and gives you ownership over the email address. You may switch providers freely without needing anyone else to do anything.
I wasn’t self hosting. I was just talking about your own domain, which caused me serious problems when flagged for spam.
Edit: I’m guessing it’s easier nowadays but I still carry that pain lol
That’s not an issue with a custom domain name, but one of the other parts you run into, SPF and DKIM dns settings being correct and the reputation of whatever SMTP server’s ip address is. No one spam-bins based just on random domain names, or every business would freak out. You can also use your own domain on Google, Microsoft, or Apples ecosystems, not that you need to, there are plenty of providers that will host your email. I like runbox.
Oh shit is that what the issue was??? Thank you for explaining! I thought it was literally blacklisted like that. I told those worthless dumbfucks to whitelist my domain and that shit just kept happening—and they made me do all the work every time. It was exhausting and frustrating. I’ll look into runbox, thanks again.
I wonder if there might be some super common spam tlds like .xyz or .ru or something, but generally, yeah, custom domain isn’t the issue. Some other options are Migadu, mailbox.org, mxroute, and Tuta all seem like decent companies. A lot of others “also do” email hosting, like porkbun and OVH. Plenty of companies host their email with all these companies and have mostly clear sailing without being spam binned.
No, not I don’t self host my email which is where a lot of the trouble comes from
I don’t remember having any issues with it ever. That was a concern so I did slowly transition to the custom domain
I stopped doing it because I kept getting rejections from Microsoft from my property manager and some other important stuff. Drove me nuts.
Didn’t try to host a domain myself yet, but having it set up with Proton has given me zero problems thus far.
Nebula is an option for some content creators but it is subscription based.
Wish more creators would move to Nebula. I joined on Grady from Practical Engineering’s recommendation. His stuff is great.
I haven’t quite figured out how to use PeerTube yet.
My own domain?!? Any suggestions??
Whatever name fits your fancy. Go with solid registrars like Namecheap or cloudflare.
Once you get your domain, you can use most any email provider to handle mail for that domain. Fastmail is really good. Or proton if you want the encryption.
Gotta also recommended porkbun for a registrar, had a great experience with then.
Porkbun + runbox here. Domain and email together cost less than $30 a year. You can use the domain for free with GitHub pages or cloudflare for a free website too.
I personally picked Mailfence, but I saw both runbox and mailfence are really good. Tho Mailfence is a bit more expensive
That’s pretty much my setup, it is not super hard to get working, it’s basically just copying and pasting the magic numbers they give you
Get something on .com or .net. Vanity tlds will piss off reputation services. And make sure you set up spf/dkim
Other reason is the renew fees for special tlds are so unpredictable. Com is surprisingly cheap to renew.
Furrysmurfporn.ai is available
set up your own domain for email hosting
cannot recommend this enough!
- register your domain through something like porkbun
- get an account with someone like mxroute.com (i am a fan, but not an affiliate or anything)
- enjoy pain-free email for the rest of your life
Throwing it out there - I am tired of left always acting as if something done decade ago was still fresh. Pewds changed, he flipped his whole video formula, and even back then evil things he did were at least questionable. Let it go folks. You are doing nothing else than making yourself look like bitter old people.
Edit: I noticed it’s not obvious what I am talking about. Other comments. People constantly talking about how Pewds is a nazi.
Honestly, the only drama I’ve ever read about him was the n-word on the bridge situation. Now before I migrated to Lemmy I had a decade and half old account on Reddit that got n-word count botted, and even through all the heated debates & drunken shit posting, I never once dropped so much as the -a ending. But I grew up in an area of lower socioeconomic development, and I was the rare super pasty white boy who used it growing up because that was the common vernacular I heard every day. And I was only ever once confronted about it from someone I didn’t know. But as I started to grow, mature, and expand my social circle I learned how cringey it was (and I still look back on myself in a sense of embarrassment and disgust to this day). I’m just happy that this was early Myspace days, and there are no videos of it floating around.
Now I want to make it perfectly clear, I was not an Xbox live chat edgy shit head. This was the language I heard all around me growing up, so it was an honest adoption.
With that Ted talk out the way. I have only ever seen the bridge video of his, and a late night talk show (Colbert?) interview with him. That is it so I have absolutely no horse in the race. But I do understand how people can grow and change, and it sounds like from what everyone else is saying about him, that he has for the better.
Other than hearing his name, I’ve never seen any of his content, nor do I know any of his lore. If in fact, he once was and has now changed his core convictions, then great. I have no issue with anyone who changes their minds in light of new evidence, or after taking inventory of one’s life, and deciding a new route. Both are commendable. Lord knows we’ve all done some shit in the past that was definitely cringe…I know I have. But we grow, and we learn, and in the process we become better human beings.
He never was. When teenagers used to scream n-word for shit and giggles, he was monetarily incentivised to do stupid stunts. No belief behind, other than to have a laugh and jump in views. When he crossed the line and was critised for it, he backed off, apologised and learned from his mistakes.
But people love draging it out each and every single time he does anything, be it good or bad.
This is the far left people talk about when they say cancel culture or some shit. Some people are so miserable, they want everyone around them miserable too. Qq
Hm, I’m not sure about that. There was a point in time where he was - even outside his videos - engaging with Ben Shapiro and Elon Musk. Echoing their philosophies and world views. The alt-right was using him and his platform to lure teenagers in. It’s possible that Felix did not even realize what was happening there. Or he was brainwashed himself for some time.
The important thing is that from 2019 onwards he clearly distanced himself from any of that.
Almost everyone at that time was engaging with those two. Matter of fact many loved elon musk. I get the point tho.
There is the expected amount of negativity in the comments, but also more positivity than I expected.
I watched the video. I am not really a fan of the style, I don’t agree with all of the content. But damn, a big influencer is using his reach to talk about retaking privacy and control in your online life. It can be such a difficult subject to pitch without sounding crazy. I think the video existing is great and pushes general awareness in the right direction.
… what?
they’re responding to other comments, like about Pewdiepie being a nazi.
So is he a nazi or not?
In short, a bunch of years ago he did some stunts for publicity that put him in a bad light. And don’t get me wrong, he deserved criticism back then. But it quickly became apparent that it wasn’t his view, but just that - a publicity stunt, something to drive algorithms etc, and he also apologised for it and what’s more important, didn’t make similiar shit afterwards.
So no, not a nazi. In the past you could call him edgy or something, alas even that doesn’t really fit as he didn’t do this all the time. But people saw he is popular and saw what he did and decided that no matter that these were one-offs, he must be a nazi, secretely harbor a shrinet o Hitler and all that.
Ok
Do you want to continue posturing and fishing for confirmation from other edgy teenage minds, or do you want the answer?
? I want the answer. I am not sure if you are saying he is a nazi or he is not.
I seriously doubt that anyone who asks that question doesn’t already have a foregone conclusion, but fine, I’ll indulge you.
Probably not. If he was, and had been hiding it his entire life, even in the era when he was the youtube star and had zero restraint, why would he slip up those few times, and especially such highly public ways?
He did and said some shit in his early 20s, and he deserved the criticism at the time, but those incidents weren’t repeated and weren’t part of a pattern. He wasn’t the paragon of virtue and maturity, but I’m willing to bet my left nut that neither are the people who are lining up to crucify him, and the only difference is that he had an audience. The people who aren’t willing to let go of their prejudices after a decade are equally as immature.
Not the person you’re replying to, but honestly I don’t pay attention to pop culture shit, so I’d ask honestly too, and thanks for providing the explanation, I assumed he had moved on since I heard little of his antics anymore but it’s good to see info. Don’t assume people know things like that. Just assume they don’t and get to be one of todays lucky 10,000. 🙂
In case you aren’t familiar with the lucky 10k, see here.
Yeah I remember when he was a big name doing that shit. Then he recently popped up talking linux. And in between it became a somewhat regular occurrence in my country for people to march with swastika flags. For all I knew it was edgy jokes from an era where fascism was still outside the Overton window, or he just became a low key supporter of modern fascism but without any stunts big enough to get noticed
The discourse goes to the same fucking place every time Felix is mentioned. People don’t deserve the benefit of doubt.
? Who is Felix? Is that pewdipie?
Did this go to the same place?
It’s kind of sad that you’re so terminally online that you think that everyone else must know who the hell this guy is. All I know about him is that he’s some YouTuber I have never watched any of his content nore have I really heard anything about any controversy.
I don’t even know this guy at all and what this is all about. That’s why I didn’t understand your post but it made me curious. Apparently this youtube guy is accused of being a Nazi because of things he said in his 20s which only came out after he became famous?
He literally never did anything evil or bad. This is a myth that was entirely created by the far left, who falsely call everything fascist, despite never watching his content.
… what?
People on Lemmy really just suck. So much snobby negativity
You should see reddit or any other mainstream social media for that matter, I assure you it gets much worse. In fact people on lemmy are mosltly normal.
I didn’t know he was a Nazi I just find him annoying.
Leopards don’t change their spots.
Er. ‘I am done with Google’. Watch the video on YouTube…
Download the video before YouTube takes it down. I want to see that site flooded with reuploads if they do.
It will stay up. Do you know how many YouTube videos there are badmouthing Google? They don’t care so long as you’re watching them.
All I know is they took down the ones by LTT and Jeff Geerling, I can only assume it was due to the larger audience those two attracted. Now imagine PewDiePie…
Linus did 3 videos on “how to degoogle your life” and only 1 was taken down. That one told people how to circumvent YouTube’s platform and monetary system which violated the community guidelines.
I don’t care about his content, but I downloaded for historical preservation. If you’re willing to watch can you explain the beef?
I just use down sub to pull the transcript from his video It’s only 60% as annoying.
He has the normal privacy versus cost worries which are reasonably valid. Then he rambles on, plugs a product that he’s shilling that’s unrelated to the subject matter, says he’s replacing Google search with a local LLM, does some hot takes on alternatives, does some reasonable takes on some alternatives.
To be honest, this is probably the least helpful de-googling video I’ve seen, other than the fact that he’s a major influencer and is telling everyone they should be doing it.
this is probably the least helpful de-googling video
I don’t think it was supposed to be particularly helpful. It’s more of him sharing his passion with his audience. Which isn’t going to be interesting if you don’t care about him.
Entirely fair, I generally can’t stand him, hence just reading his caption data :)
He hit the mark on a few things but his hot takes were pretty hot.
Upload it to Framatube and other YouTube Alternatives
If it stays up, it’s certainly going to be interesting seeing the difference in view counts between it and his other videos.
Dude’s having an interesting life trajectory
I love this new arc of pewds, unimaginably based. I’m actually interested in watching his videos now after a looong time. The last three tech related ones were great.
Waiting for the episode where he finds out who owns YouTube 🫠
I see you didn’t make it 40s into the video.
Listen, we don’t read the article and we don’t watch the video before commenting. Maybe we’re reading the headline first. Maybe. This is the way and it has always been the way.
To be fair, watching random YouTube videos can be demotivating. A transcript would be much nicer.
Yeah, I definitely prefer to not read some text as compared to not watching a video. If it’s just someone talking, it should’ve been an article.
We will read the headline, and possibly every single word in it. Like 75% of the time, at least.
I like to read until I hit a noun, then look to see what community this it was posted to, then kinda riff it from there.
maybe read the headline and the comments, but only like 30% before i react. I guess 75% for the headline maybe.
Exactly!
So has anyone tried this pewpowpie recipe and does it taste any good?Yo, I love pudding pie. Is it chocolate?
It’s also always been the way that the people who actually clicked the link get to come into the comments and be frustrated at us for being legitimately wrong.
I agree it is that way currently, unfortunately, but it’s definitely a recent phenomenon (last 10y).
Why would anyone watch a pewdiepie video?
To discuss the video in a comments section associated with it.
because people like things.
Why would i feed youtube?
Let me know when it’s on peertube, another video-centric platform.
Lemmy’s text-centric.
The thumbnail has a big ole X over the word youtube. I think he knows
Wait till you find out you can use your brain
No you see, if you can’t do something absolutely perfect then why do it at all?
Wait until you figure out that this isn’t YouTube
Is there any service that can scale to millions of users?
I was actually kinda wondering the other day why super large content creators with good cash flow from what they already do, don’t ditch Google and Patreon or anything else that takes a cut to be nothing more than a middleman to accessing the content? They don’t need to host on the same level as YouTube; they could probably make more money hosting their videos on their own website, where they can control what is free or paid for, and can work directly with advertisers themselves.
And how do they get big? How do they get discovered? SEO ?
They’re getting huge because of the platform.
I’m not saying google is not evil but it literally gives them their audience.
I watch YT more than anything else by a mile, and if my top subscription moved to their website, and I had to jump through hoops to watch them on my TV device, by installing a browser or something I probably would stop watching them or watch them way less. Another TV friendly app sure that wouldn’t be a problem, but I don’t see many doing that.
I’m talking about those who have already gotten big, like PewDiePie or Good Mythical Morning (the latter of which started on their own website before youtube even existed, btw). Not the dude who just started a channel last week and has nothing to do shit with.
The lift of running your own platform is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to creating your own video hosting platform.
It’s not that challenging with a partner to help manage infrastructure which even at his scale is not going to cost an obscene amount of money.
Edit: there’s a very massive difference between a single content creator hosting their content and a site hosting everyone’s content like YouTube as well in terms of cost, infrastructure, security and management.
Websites work very well and are scalable af. A plugged in person with a track record like that could go Web 2.0 and probably net more.
You are correct. Websites, the stack to supply video encoding, even scalability is a solved problem.
The hard work isn’t technical, it’s getting people onto your platform in the first place (marketing), getting people to continue using your platform (retention) and the perennial problems of SaaS evolving with other SaaS platforms (how many dev hours are you willing to eat trying to keep up with the Joneses?).
SaaS, and in this case, SaaS offering content, is a losing game. You will either lose your shirt, sell your business, or become entrenched in a position whose inertia is difficult to break. How much of any of those you are willing to take a firehose of is the question.
It’s not easy, but you’re not guaranteed to end up
either lose your shirt, sell your business, or become entrenched in a position whose inertia is difficult to break
It depends on the personalities involved and the business model they go with.
Nebula has done really well with consistent growth as a premium offering where people pay one subscription fee to get ad-free videos from exclusively high-quality creators across a quote broad range of niches, in addition to bonus extras and Nebula Originals.
Dropout seems to have a lot of success with a range of mostly unscripted comedy, centred around a core cast of trusted comedic actors with a larger range of guests.
Floatplane, on the other hand, seems much less successful, probably owing to its business model being basically Patreon’s, but only for video. Instead of the wide range of content you get for surprisingly reasonable amounts of Nebula and Dropout, Floatplane ends up looking very expensive if you want to support more than one or two creators. Plus the creators on it haven’t got the same degree of trust; it ends up reeking of the sort of techbro vibes that people are explicitly trying to get away from.
I’m sure these are accurate statements, but the fact remains that I’ve never heard of dropout or nebula. At all.
And the only reason I’ve heard of floatplane is via LTT and Jeff Geerling, and I don’t actually use the platform itself.
That’s what I mean about inertia, google has it now and can coast for years on people just being lazy and staying with YouTube. That alone will be a loooong hill to climb for any other platforms.
LTT seems to have enough clout and has worked out a survivable business model, but notice that they remain on YouTube to capture and keep new views.
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YouTube still offers them a service in directing them new viewers. The big creators all lose viewers but YouTube funnels replacement views faster than they lose. They could host their own videos but they are gonna see very little growth without Google either in search or with YouTube as they start to lose the base that followed them.
They also won’t be able to negotiate as good as rates for pre-rolls or in video sponsorships as if they were on YouTube.
The only real alternative would be to band together like the creators that are a part of nebula are doing. Hosting on peertube really isn’t an option unless you are independently supported and you are doing it as a passion project and don’t care about audience growth or retention.
Still think building their own site with apps I can throw on my devices is pretty involved.
Yeah, even an established creator is going to have a hard time moving their audience.
If YouTube weren’t a near monopoly it would be different. Then other companies would be competing for creators.
Making it worse is section 1201 of the DMCA. It makes it a crime to circumvent access controls. In the past, Facebook was able to grow by providing tools to interface with MySpace. People didn’t have to abandon their MySpace friends, they could communicate with them through Facebook, and Facebook could ensure that messages sent on its platform arrived to people still on MySpace. But, if you tried that today Facebook has access controls in place that make that a crime. The same applies to YouTube. Nobody can build a seamless “migrate away from YouTube” experience because YouTube will use the DMCA to block them.
The governments of the world need to bring back antitrust with teeth and force interoperability.
They have. Nebula is biggest im aware of, floatplane is another.
Sauce plus and dropout as well. Basically run by youtubers to make content without relying on YouTube. A lot of this is running on pre-existing tech for running a streaming service and I assume it’s dependent on AWS (Amazon) hosting but yeah lots of smaller paid streaming services run by youtubers because YouTube sucks. I believe sauce plus is essentially the same as Floatplane on the backend, they mentioned working with LTT to make it.
Streaming video is expensive. LTT did it with Floatplane, even going so far as to develop their own backend. Watcher and some other YouTubers did it with Vimeo as their backend, but Vimeo still takes a large cut.
At the end of the day, people are doing this, but YouTube still offers a compelling value compared to other platforms. It’s hard to beat their scale, sophistication, and the discoverability of their platform.
Yeah I know some big german youtubers who years ago were like “we need to be more independent from youtube” and set up their own website. Every year the costs for hosting that would take out a huge cut of their earnings, so at the start of 2025 they finally gave up and said they couldnt pour even more money into that project as it simply wasnt profitable.
Well, there is Nebula, which is kinda like that. But most of them also put their videos on YouTube, using Nebula as the premium ad-free option with a little bonus content.
I’m worried about Nebula’s business model being profitable enough to be sustainable in the long term but given their business model includes making every creator on the platform a part-owner of the platform that does limit how bad things can get
From everything I’ve heard, they’re already profitable, and are explicitly choosing only to grow in a sustainable way, without taking on outside investment which could force them into enshittifying down the line. With a relative lack of need to show extreme growth, and a lack of reliance on outside factors like advertising (being subscription-based), the only major risk that I can see for them long-term is user churn. Which is definitely a risk, but with the ever-creeping growth of the range of content they have and (at least for now) an attitude of being customer-friendly, churn seems a relatively low risk.
As far as I can see, at worst, the platform dies if the YouTube channels of the people on the platform die because of the YouTube algorithm, and they get bad churn (with fewer new subscribers because of the aforementioned dead YouTube channels at the top of the funnel), and they don’t get new more successful channels on before that happens. A scenario that’s far from unlikely, but which I would describe as “catastrophic, whether or not Nebula exists today”, so its existence for now as a hedge against more likely bad scenarios is still worthwhile.
That’s super cool. I’d love to know more about Nebula’s business practices, do you know where I could find that information? I’ve seen some interviews with their leadership that didn’t go into anywhere near the depth that I’d like and that’s about it
Most of this comment was my own speculation based on the details they’ve shared publicly. The details I know of publicly are:
- The seem to be profitable. Or at least in a relatively sustainable place; they talk about profit a lot, but usually in terms of how the “profit” is split between creators. I forget, maybe the Wendover “history of Nebula” video from a while back talked more specifically about profitability?
- They’re choosing not to take outside investment. This is something the CEO, Dave Wiskus, talked about particularly with respect to the Lifetime subscriptions, describing those as their option for building up the sort of large amounts of cash that they might otherwise have gone to outside investment for, in order to fund bigger projects
- The fact that they are, quite visibly, expanding their range of content
The rest was me speculating about how the business model would seem to work based on those factors plus my limited, layperson’s, understanding of their industry.
hosting their videos on their own website
I love that entrepreneurial attitude. If an online service is unsatisfactory, just develop your own software from the ground up and provision the infrastructure from your pocket. Car industry sucks? Just build your own car! GPU prices high? Grab a soldering iron and a handful of sand, how hard could it be?
Things are always more complex than they appear. The whole point of services like Youtube and Patreon is to offload that complexity onto the provider in exchange for a fee (or some other form of compensation) from the user. Just look at how many early Lemmy instances have gone offline because of the overwhelming financial or administrative burden. Hate the companies all you like, and by all means look for independent solutions, but don’t pretend they offer no value whatsoever.
There are open source alternatives that already exist.
Putting a video file somewhere and letting 10,000 people watch it at the same time is no small feat.
You could probably get away with doing it on peer tube but it has no facilities to lock people out or make them pay.
Even if you don’t use patreon for payments payments aren’t free.
It’s harder then you think.
Because it is really really hard
Literally all of them have tried at some point. But honestly you just end up with a bunch of effectively streaming services that you have to pay for.
I already have hbo, Netflix, krangle + and Hulu and YouTube and now I need «randomyoutuber+» x10 too?
Yeah no thanks
How can he be done with Google and still posting YouTube videos?
watch the video and you will find out wink
I prefer not to use youtube
invideous and similar can be used
Figure it out then
I don’t care if enough so I would, I just found this amusing
freetube, invideous, if someone reuploads it somewhere on peertube, ytdlp, ytfzf, etc many ways to consume youtube content without google making a dime of you or tracking you. I’m lazy so I just use freetube.
then don’t ask questions you can find out in other comments.
Me too, but I make exceptions for a good content.
Same, but this isn’t that, so I won’t bother.
Literally his income source
I understand why he doesn’t leave youtube but why not reposts on alternatives for people who want to limit the use of youtube
He probably would. He’s on his foss arc. Give him some time.
If he did the alternative would be instantly crushed
Sure, but other platforms do exist, and he could post to those as well as YouTube. Other creators do, such as Gardiner Bryant to PeerTube and Louis Rossmann to Odyssee.
If he really hated Google, wouldn’t he be motivated to invest his time into its competitors? Maybe he does, idk, I didn’t watch the video because I’m not a fan of his style and I generally try to avoid YouTube.
don’t make me tap the meme again
Because YouTube has a monopoly for the most part
Sure, but other platforms do exist, and he could post to those as well as YouTube. Other creators do, such as Gardiner Bryant to PeerTube and Louis Rossmann to Odyssee.
I’m not sure how they would scale
Also avoid Odyssee unless you are a nazis
People keep saying they want an alternative to YouTube, but then reject every alternative that exists.
Odyssee and other YouTube alternatives tend to host far right content because that content was banned on YouTube, so those creators flocked to the alternative platforms. The sites themselves aren’t exactly encouraging that content, it’s just where people end up due to the loose rules. The best way to fight extremism on an alternative platform is to post less extreme content and drown out the less desirable content.
That’s basically what happened here on Lemmy. At the start, it was mostly tankies and far left extremists, and gradually it became more mainstream as more mainstream leftists ditched Reddit and joined Lemmy.
If you want an alternative to YouTube to succeed, you need to use alternative platforms that already exist.
In the case of Odyssee it was founded by a far right extremest. It also isn’t decentralized at all so you can’t easily stand up a different instance.
I assume you’re talking about Kauffman, who is the founder of LBRY, but that relationship ended when LBRY lost a lawsuit and Odysee was acquired. It is decentralized, using arweave for video hosting and a blockchain for video metadata.
The main issue w/ Odysee is its near complete lack of moderation, which allows extremists, conspiracy theorists, and other undesirables to earn money. This is because Odysee gives creators the power to moderate their channels, unlike YouTube where most of that is reserved for the platform itself. Odysee is about as free-speech as you get, and that unfortunately allows less desirable content.
My understanding is that Odysee is essentially what you get if you have P2P (not federated) PeerTube w/ a profit motive.
