I’m tired of the future being destroyed by billionaires.
Who just so happen to wholeheartedly support the Republican agenda in the US, with the exception of Gates.
You don’t make billions by supporting fair wages, labor unions, health and safety regulations, affordable and accessible healthcare, social programs, socialized infrastructure, and higher taxes on the wealthy.
To be fair, there are plenty of billionaires backing the dems too, they’re just a bit more subtle about their intentions, but they are not pioneers of the working class.
Of course the dems getting in in 2024 mightve slowed the roll of fascism, but it would’ve just delayed it rather than solved any of the underlying issues. With the exception of some truly progressive members of the party, the dems are basically just there to uphold the status quo.
Most of the billionaires that back the republicans also back the democrats, and the democrats also have their fair share of billionaires funding/controlling their candidates all their own. It is a uni-party system that puts on a kabuki show of ‘right vs left’ for their entertainment. Stop buying tickets for it!
Yes exactly!!
I understand the frustration around those saying the parties are the same, I really do, because in the short term, the chaos of the Trump administration would not be happening if Kamala were to get in, but I’m personally extremely frustrated by people putting the dems/kamala on a pedestal as if they were going to do anything to actually help people.
It’s an oligarchy through and through. Kamala wouldve prevented a lot of the mass deportation, but she wouldn’t have prevented the wars across the world, and she would’ve done very little to close the wealth gap between rich and poor.
The only thing that’ll cause real change is for the working class to finally realize that the billionaires are our real enemy and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.
Yeah, people forget that Democrats have fully adopted Republican immigration policy. Look at the actual deportation numbers. They were higher under Obama than under Trump. Trump is just a lot louder about it. And Kamala supported building the border wall.
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I think you misunderstood the meme lol.
The meme is saying capitalists support both sides (dems and gop) so they come out on top over the working class
Ohhh I thought you were accusing me of being a capitalist because you misinterpreted me as playing the “both sides” argument (this is why i was confused, but i do see people saying this kind of shit online).
I see it now, carry on!
Billionaires bankroll both parties, what are you talking about
Yes but somehow those are way less agressive at taking away your rights and even try to make the world moderately better. It’s the difference between the guys hacking holes in the boat and the ones not fixing the holes fast enough. Sure, both are letting the boat sink, but there does seem a serious difference.
I quite enjoy that analogy, thank you.
I just want free public transit, affordable housing//rent/food/bills and some free time to actually enjoy being alive, is that too much to ask?
Republicans: Yes, you entitled whiny millenial. Also, no one wants to work. Also you are probably a groomer.
You filthy communist.
-actual nazi magats
Fill your bottle with one hand while working with the other. Don’t bother washing your hands, they’ll return the merchandise you’re mailing out anyway.
/s if you really need it
You can blame only Republicans which even if they disappeared wouldn’t solve the issue, or you can acknowledge that both parties are corrupted by oligarchs and PACS
While I agree with your premise, its very disingenuous to imply a lot of issues wouldnt be solved/improved if Republicans blinked out of existence like a Thanos Snap.
I do agree there are some issues that would not be there without the Republicans, that’s not what I’m saying but rather saying only blaming the Republicans doesn’t solve the real issues we have
I think you both agree that it’s more complicated than that and it’s a systemic thing effecting both parties. I think he just wrote it differently than you read it
Republicans blinking out of existence doesn’t solve the fundamental issues of capitalism that inevitably lead people to those ideologies.
Those systemic forces still exist, a new version of them would simply take their place when people tie their personal interests to the interests of capital.
and shit like this is why stuff will never get fixed.
because rather than actively embrace a solution that deals with 50% of the issue, you actively dismiss it and act like anything that doesnt deal with 100% of the problem, immediately and wholly, is a waste of time.
Thus, instead of steady progress, we have a steady march into decline.
Apparently a lot of people don’t mind being oppressed as long as the oppressors have decorum
Republicans: categorically awful on every single issue
Democrats: Not that
Babies: waaaah I want a competitive party that matches my opinions on every single issue
Find me one major party in the entire world that matches your personal ideals 100%. Spoiler: it doesn’t exist, unless you happen to be a king or dictator of an authoritarian state.
Two party systems means you have two parties with distinct ethics, and one party winning consistently means the country’s ethics will shift over time in the favor of that winning party. So keep spite voting against Democrats and see where that gets you.
Edit: you know why the Democrats are similar to Republicans on so many issues? Because Republicans keep winning elections.
Sorry your getting downvoted for making the children here uncomfortable.
It’s not about opinion, there is scientific studies that give you evidence how the democratic interest of the vast majority is not represented, but the rich.
There are also historical theories that explain why this neo-fascism was the inevitable outcome of neoliberal policies, because material conditions degraded. That’s why it’s happening everywhere, not just the US.
The democrats shifted to the right, or away from social democratic policies since Trump not because they are winning strategies - but because they know the alternative for the voter is even worse. So policy not according to being able to win, but being able to gain and maintain power (donors, influence) and wealth.
Policy currently has absolutely nothing to do with ideals, ethics or ideology. Those are just pretty words sold to the masses.
You’ll need drastic changes, a purge and redistribution of wealth and power and the news and social media.
Extreme leftist don’t vote then wonder why a candidate doesn’t try to earn their vote.
Thanks for sharing your feelings with us
Does the truth upset you?
No, your feelings don’t hurt me. Unless you can provide some fact based evidence, you are simply sharing your ignorant feelings.
Just go scroll through these forums and you can see a large amount of leftists who clearly think strategic abstention is the way. They are morons but it doesn’t change what is on this website.
Are you able to differentiate between facts and feelings?
A few idiots in a forum aren’t representative of a larger group. Unless you can back that with data you are projecting your bias on a microscopic sample size.
There are leftists trying to gain a foothold in the Democrat party, and some are succeeding (see the latest New York mayoral primary).
Many people ignore primaries, though. You know who does vote in primaries? Older more moderate voters. So progressives tend to lose primaries, then the people who didn’t bother with the primaries complain there aren’t progressive enough candidates in the main elections, so they don’t vote.
If you want more leftist candidates (within the FPTP system), support progressive candidates and show up to the primaries.
Yes they both suck, yes Republicans suck worse, but I think you’re missing some important nuance of exactly how the Democrats suck. Let’s game this out:
If 77 million of the dumbest shitheads ever to walk the Earth were to simultaneously, spontaneously implode tomorrow, everything would change. But especially the Democratic Party. The party leadership would not be able to keep doing what it had been doing. Their whole game requires the Republicans to exist as a credible threat for what’s going to happen if you don’t keep giving them money and settling for whoever they foist on you. They always try to run the furthest-right soulless hack they possibly can, so they calculate what the threshold is that would make enough people say “fuck this, I’m sitting this one out” to throw the race to the Republican, and aim just to the left of that. So, with every single Trump fan or likely R voter gone ( and nothing of value lost ) the entire electorate is now split- pretty evenly on age lines- between the proudly centrist, CNN-watching Biden 2020 primary voters, and the angry progressive left who’s been holding their nose and voting for the lesser of two evils their whole life.
The Democratic party can only pick up the first group. Democratic Socialists take the other group. Nonvoters become a much smaller group, and third parties remain negligible. Now the only way for the Democratic party to survive (Especially since the c-suite and board of directors of most of their corporate donors just went poof, so those companies restructured as co-ops…) is to keep running the only play they know- unilaterally compromise and triangulate with the other party. So what they do now is move as far left as they can get away with without losing their base, who they’re already losing to old age.
How about tired of the uni-party system! We need real change, politicians who care about the workers, not corporations and their oligarchs.
Right on, no argument here.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general. All Republicans are conservative, but many Democrats are as well. That needs to change.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC. We need to continue that. Primary every last conservative. Drive them from the DNC, drive them from politics, drive them from political discourse and public life. Authoritarianism must be crushed, Constitutional rights must be restored, and common sense policies for real people must be enacted. If we can’t achieve that, then all is lost and totalitarian neofeudalism will prevail.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general.
You are correct! I tend to use the two interchangeably when I know that conservatives pushes out to a larger group.
And frankly, anyone who acts like this was just another election where one side lost is only slightly higher on the totem pole than conservatives are.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC.
Just worth saying again for the tankies that are very passionate, but seemingly not enough to vote or organize material change. As disappointing as the dems maybe they are still the home of the little progressive wing we have, and we should work into growing it.
A part of purging the dem party means not voting for conservatives if they win the primary. There is a reason the conservatives win primaries despite having less popular policies than the progressives. A conservative dem losing a general purges the party of one more conservative who got us here.
I’m tired of rich and/or petty people controlling us. We’re better than this.
Left or right we’re getting fucked one way or the other. The whole foundation’s been corrupted to the core.
It’s like every debate, any talk of politics is pointless and anything truly reasonable is quickly surpassed overpassed by political “sports team” entertainment while people with real [heartless] willpower continue to do what they do. And I mean that from the streets to the president. The corruption is the same essence and the same evil at any wealth status, education, or social position and all of it is the rotted part of the foundation the country is built upon.
That seems like a completely nihilistic and empty view of politics. What do you even actually think a society that isn’t “corrupt” (or at least is less corrupt) could look like? How can you blame the people with no power at all just as much as the president?
Blaming everyone for everything is basically the same as blaming nobody for anything.
It’s fine to think that the vast majority of people believe in propaganda or are worried about things that don’t matter.
My main problem really is with you saying “any talk of politics is pointless”. It’s just complete doomerism.
Two groups that love to say “Both sides are the same.”
People on the Left who have given up hope.
People on the Right when they get caught being evil.
whereas centrists talk about doing good and then line up behind evil, then fingerwag like everyone else got it wrong.
The current state of the US is because of centrist leadership, so well done buddy.
How can you possibly conflate the people in the white house with centrists?
same zionism/genocide policy. same immigration policy. Same militarism and attacks across the middle east. Same new prohibitions on free speech. And now the dems seem to vote with the republicans all the time.
Google “Democrats join republicans” and you see pages of it.
128 Dems shot down the trump impeachment push recently. https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-aoc-al-green-democrats-vote-b2776294.html
16 Senate Dems Join GOP to Advance Crypto Bill—A Gift to Trump’s ‘Reeking Corruption’ https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-democrats-genius-bill-advance
A Tale of Two Resolutions: 75 Dems Join GOP in Resolution Praising Trump’s Mass Deportation Regime https://jonathancohn.medium.com/a-tale-of-two-resolutions-75-dems-join-gop-in-resolution-praising-trumps-mass-deportation-regime-15cf590770ea
Democrats join Republicans in sanctuary city crackdown https://www.usconstitution.net/why-some-democrats-joined-republicans-in-a-sanctuary-city-crackdown/
Dems join Republicans to boost defense spending in Trump agenda bill https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/04/29/congress/dems-join-gop-to-boost-defense-spending-00317618
Texas Democrats join Republicans to place citizen voting requirement on statewide ballots in 2025 after blocking the amendment in 2023 https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/05/16/texas-democrats-join-republicans-to-place-citizen-voting-requirement-on-statewide-ballots-in-2025-after-blocking-the-amendment-in-2023/
7 Democrats vote for GOP resolution condemning LA protests https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5373771-la-riots-gop-resolution-democrats/
Four Democrats join Republicans to pass SAVE Act bill that requires proof of citizenship to vote https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/house-vote-save-act-voter-id-b2731102.html
Six U.S. House Dems join GOP in condemning Harris, Biden administration over border policy https://washingtonstatestandard.com/2024/07/25/six-u-s-house-dems-join-gop-in-condemning-harris-biden-administration-over-border-policy/
15 Democrats Join House GOP to Pass ‘MAGA Assault’ on Nonprofits https://www.commondreams.org/news/hr-9495-passed
Some Democrats join Republicans in voting to strike down Biden’s EV mandate https://walberg.house.gov/media/in-the-news/fox-news-some-democrats-join-republicans-voting-strike-down-bidens-ev-mandate
Most Senate Democrats Join Republicans in Calling for Corporate Tax Break https://itep.org/most-senate-democrats-join-republicans-in-calling-for-corporate-tax-break/
Sen. Elissa Slotkin is lone Democrat to cross party lines in vote to revoke California’s EV emissions waivers https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/elissa-slotkin-california-ev-vote-senate/
8 House Democrats join Republicans in voting to strike down California’s electric vehicle mandate https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-democrats-join-republicans-voting-strike-down-californias-electric-vehicle-mandate
Full List of Democrats Voting to Block California Ban on Gas-Powered Cars https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-democrats-block-california-gas-car-ban-2066890 https://www.splinter.com/35-house-democrats-join-republicans-in-declaring-themselves-enemies-of-climate-progress
Democrats join GOP to kill air pollution, appliance rules https://www.eenews.net/articles/democrats-join-gop-to-kill-air-pollution-appliance-rules/
House Democrats bash Senate colleagues for backing GOP spending bill: ‘Huge slap in the face’ https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5194414-house-democrats-senate-spending-bill/
10 Democrats join with Republicans to censure Rep. Al Green for Trump speech protest https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/politics/al-green-censure-trump-protest-house
Senate Democrats join Republicans to gut Dodd-Frank banking regulations https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/16/dodd-m16.html
62 DEMOCRATS JOIN 207 REPUBLICANS IN VOTE TO CONCEAL GAZA DEATH TOLL https://theintercept.com/2024/06/27/congress-gaza-death-toll-democrats/
81 Democrats Vote With GOP for Military Budget Barring Gaza Death Toll Citation https://truthout.org/articles/81-democrats-vote-with-gop-for-military-budget-barring-gaza-death-toll-citations/
16 Democrats join most Republicans to force administration to send arms to Israel https://jewishinsider.com/2024/05/16-democrats-join-most-republicans-to-force-administration-to-send-arms-to-israel/
Over 20 Democrats join Republicans in House censure vote of Rashida Tlaib over Israel-Hamas war comments https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-house-democrats-hold-news-briefing-after-censure-of-rep-tlaib-over-comments-on-israel
‘Deep sense of outrage and betrayal’: House Democrats react to Schumer announcement https://www.npr.org/2025/03/13/nx-s1-5327600/house-democrats-outrage-spending
You seem to have misread my statement. I was asking how you think the Republicans are centrists.
You don’t really have a left, not at the moment. It’s getting better but oh my god the disasters it took for your shithole country to start to rally…
It is wierd isn’t it. Like having grown up in the middle class I can see why so many ran to the Republicans. It’s a short sighted nostalgia party that preys on people who don’t pay attention or whov been indoctrinated to only watch right wing media.
But the hubris of the Democrats and even just some left leaning voters is kinda wild.
But the real problem is the lack of attention local elections get from average folks. Iv been guilty of this as well, and it buggers me good that I never really learned of their importance till I was already like 34
Nothing makes the Right happier than when someone on the Left says that there’s no hope.
Look at NYC. The Dem candidate for Mayor is being threatened with deportation and arrest for being a Communist.
The fight isn’t over until we give up.
No hope for the current system doesn’t mean no hope at all.
It means we need to change the system.
When your “left” is just Diet-Republicans that are less hateful on social issues? Your perspective makes total sense.
And to be fair? That is what the Democrats have served you. And I hate them harder then Republicans hate them. For this reason.
I would like to invite you to a Solution-Oriented American Left in Zohran Memdani, Eugene Debbs, or Bernie Sanders.
This is not the End of what the Left is. This is only where it Starts. we have entire books about the rich American history the Democrats-since-Clinton have entirely abandoned.
Truth mate. This country and the entirety of its government is structurally designed to consolidate wealth into the hands of the owning class. It has been such for so long it is baked into our very culture of American society.
We need revolt and a new system of not only economics but of government that horizontally distributes authority throughout the community instead of concentrating it into a hierarchical structure that can be turned against us if the wrong person lands a seat of power.
Exactly. I worked in marketing… They can use everything. You hate America? They can profit off that. You love America? …they can profit of that. All the while partially guiding you to a preset life-path that they manipulate to profit off you even more. I honestly think genuine honest humanity is extinct. We are a culturally mutilated species at this point even physically in some cases. This isn’t living, they created a culture that is proud to be products, basically bought, sold, or traded for profit.
We used to be. Currently we are not better than this.
No, we really weren’t. America has always been a pretty shit country to anyone who wasn’t owning class. Any good that came about during the course of this country’s existence was in spite of it not because of it.
There was a brief time under FDR where we were doing ok. Not much of a legacy to be proud of in light of all the years we got it wrong, but it at least shows we are capable of better.
FDR was simply concessions by the state to placate the working people from gaining class consciousness after a long period of working class uprisings. After that brief time was the rise of McCarthyism and the 2nd Red Scare to ensure that the American working class forever opposes left-wing, working class economics, setting the stage for their systemic dismantling of the few concessions we were granted by FDR.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to destroy everything around them.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to put their foot on someone else’s neck so that they can feel superior, even if it means they are worse off.
Ftfy
Yes, thank you! You got it.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics that get off so much on being told ‘you owned a lib’ that they vote against their own interest and inspire baseless fear of normal human needs and rights.
Unbelievable that the rest of the Americans would rather just sit there and take it than risk literally anything.
It’s unbelievable that half the voters wanted it. It’s betrayal.
Republicans and Democrats*
- conservatives
The letter doesn’t matter, their policy positions do
BoTh sIdeS!
Not both sides, Dems are barely left/center and have qualities shared with the right. I support far left politics
Come on everybody. Pointing out that the Democrats are also failing us in different ways is NOT bOtH siDEz!!
Yes it is because the degree of damage caused are different orders of magnitude.
Two accomplices are responsible for the damage, one does the deed, the other intentionally puts up ineffective resistance to those deeds. Our legal system has a term for this: accessory to the crime. It carries significant penalties for a reaaon.
So you admit you are siding with a party thats actively damaging people. I count that as progress.
Tankies like yourself have done the most damage by dissuading people from voting for Democrats and giving us the shitstorm we have now. Get fucked.
Hard disagree. War crimes lite is still war crimes and UNACCEPTABLE, and shameful, especially from those that would call themselves dems. Whats tolerated is whats encouraged. You normalized and permitted those crimes and have pissed all over our democracy in the process. Palestinian blood is on my party’s hands because of your weakness and idiot biden’s open corruption.
As to your telling me to get effed, I only accept criticism from those I respect so whine all you want, criminal. Sounds fine to me. I’d sooner listen to the opinions of a two year old child than an election losing centrist Dem like you.
Likewise your opinion is dogshit to me. I’m glad the Palestinians are doing so much better under Trump. Blocking you now tankie.
Blocking you now tankie.
hooray!!
The Democratic leaders dissuaded people from voting for Dems by putting up terrible candidates, and terrible policies, after openly fighting against what their voter-base wanted. It’s been my experience that telling your voter-base to sit down, shut up and accept table-scraps is not a winning strategy. Maybe the Democrats should try a different strategy, like, I dunno, fighting for what their voters want.
Definitely
Ignoring the problems with democrats and only focusing on just how terrible republicans are will only lead back to where we are right now
It’s a vicious cycle
Which is worse, the person who says they want to hurt you and then does it, or the person who says they want to help you and then doesn’t? Progressivism is still a beneficial ideal, and some Democrats fight for it, while others pay lip-service because they will say anything to be elected. But Conservativism is a plague upon humanity, leeching resources and power to feed those willing to harm others to get it.
So yeah, you can blame the mostly corrupt “good guys” along with the fundamentally selfish “bad guys,” but that doesn’t make them equivalent sides.
Both are still bad though, and progressivism shouldn’t just be an ideal it should be action and resistance against the status quo. The Democrats and their Neoliberalism is harmful. Maybe not as bad as Conservativism, but also still bad.
Dems deliver, but it’s always “n n not good enough” for certain people.
Inb4 replies: The Dems need all 3 houses to pass anything. They’ve had that for, drumroll please, 4 years of the last 24 years. That’s 2 years under Obama and 2 under Biden. Go back further to include Bill Clinton and it’s 6 years of the last 32 years. Go further and it’s 6 years of the last 44 years. And you wonder why progress is slow?
Bullshit. Conservatives have done just fine getting everything they wanted without all three branches of government. Democrats are bad at politics, and there are enough corrupt Dems to destabilize the whole party.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t vote for Dems. It means we should expect more from them.
GOP by and large wants to block things from happening. They want to hit the big giant pause button on society. And blocking things requires, drumroll please, only 1 of the 3. That’s it. If the GOP has a single 1 of the 3, they can stop literally everything.
Passing bills requires all 3. Stopping things from passing takes 1. Also known as: it’s hard to build things up, and it’s easy to tear things down.
Yes, agreed, it is easier to obstruct than it is to lead. But Conservatives have been far more effective at both. It’s like a tug of war where one side isn’t holding on to the rope. It doesn’t matter if we’re trying to gain ground or just minimize the damage, Democrats suck at both.
I’ll point you back to the math. 6 years in the last 44 years.
And yes cons fall in line. It’s a saying for a reason. Left is an assortment of infighting and protest non voters. Want more? Then make sure then they can win without catering to the center. Again see the math.
You mean delivering NAFTA, sending all the US jobs oversees, which makes up a lot of the rot today, thanks to Clinton? Or do you mean Obama, who bailed out the banks for causing the biggest housing crisis, displacing people from their homes, who turned around and gave all their CEO’s bonuses? The Obama who did nothing to help the people with no homes and did nothing to prevent round two, which analyst predict will happen again, soon? Oh yes, that slow progress.
The uni-party system is corporate/oligarch controlled and corrupt.
Clinton ran on it’s the economy stupid. It’s practically a miracle that anyone wins against an incumbent. But I have to mention this part “You mean delivering NAFTA, sending all the US jobs oversees” Lolololololol. In case you don’t realize, Canada and Mexico are not overseas. China trade was Nixon. Clinton did what now seems impossible: balance the budget.
Obama. Like it or not but bank failure would have turned the great recession into the 1930s depression. You being mad about this just tells me you want to rage instead of think logically. That’s twice so far (nafta overseas was the first). But anyway, Obama delivered Healthcare which you conveniently leave out.
Yeah it’s clear you just want to rage, so this is my only reply. So I say it again: 4 years of control out of the last 24 years. Want more progress? Then you need to vote them in more.
Do they deliver? Did Biden “cancel all student debt for an entire generation” like he said he would? Did the Dems stop sending weapons to back a genocide? Did they get Medicare for All? Did they make housing affordable? Did they stop our overseas torture programs? Did they stop drone-striking children?
Because I don’t remember them delivering any of that.
I don’t wonder why progress is slow, as it is pretty clear: The Republicans are regressive, and the Democrats mostly impede progress.
Clinton delivered a balanced budget. Obama delivered healthcare - his reward was to lose majority for the next 6 years. Biden delivered most of Build Back Better, the first student debt relief was blocked by the court but another bill was passed that delivered a ton of debt relief. I thought you were just the nnnnot good enough, but honestly I think you’re flat out ignoring everything. And that was with only 2 years each.
But why didn’t they just solve everything, everywhere, all at once, forever and always! Right? Like do you even hear yourself?
Obama delivered a terrible, watered down healthcare change. Biden could have pushed a lot more money out for student debt relief, but thought that spending the money on the border wall and weapons for Israel was more important.
They could have done drastically more, but spent those 2 years sucking up to corporate doners, and giving consessions to the Republicans instead.
You may think that “please don’t bomb children”, or “please stop giving our tax money to the rich” or “maybe medical debt shouldn’t be the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the US” or “please, make education affordable” is asking too much, but I think it’s not asking enough, and the Dems wouldn’t even deliver on those. They could have, but chose not to.
And back to n-n-n-n-n-not good enough. They were pretty good. Want more? Then vote in more reps so Lieberman can’t water it down. Biden pushed a ton and got a ton of debt relief. First one blocked? He kept pushing. Honestly what are you on thinking he didn’t push for it, it’s back to ignoring.
Yah you’re all over the n-n-n-not good enough. Things take time to draft, write, negotiate, and pass. I seriously wonder what industry y’all work in that you think these things can be done easy peasy in no time flat.
So we’re back to: Want more? Then give them a majority more often than 6 years of the last 44 years. Seriously, let that sink in. 6 measly years out of the last 44 years. That’s nothing. Want supermajority? Then it’s 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Not 2.5 years, 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Since 1980. Frankly it’s amazing that we’re not in a worse situation.
Ok this is going nowhere, I keep pointing out what they did and you keep ignoring/nnnot good enough. So the last bit I’ll say to you: Nothing will ever be good enough for you. You have all your excuses lined up and keep at the same thing no matter what’s said. This is why I think catering to the left is a fool’s errand. They will never show up. Never have, and any conversation like this shows they never will. They will go after the center voter instead. Congrats on the biggest self own in history. Ciao.
Yes, I’m not ashamed to say that I think a party that backs a genocide, bombs children, and screws over it’s voting base is not doing good enough. Especially when they seem to have plenty of time to help out the other party, and their corporate doners.
They’ve had plenty of time and opportunity to fix plenty of things, but chose not to. You keep saying that they “only” had 2 years, but I saw them waste those years.
You are also correct: I will never show up for a party that wants to bomb children, or picks a rapist as their candidate, or backs a genocide, or continuously caters to the rich instead of their voters. Why would I support a party that fights against what I want?
edit: Also, when have the Democrats catered to the left? I see them consistently run to the right, but I usually only see them “cater to the left” verbally, on stage when they want votes. Once elected in, they immediately turn back to the right.
Dems deliver
hahahahahha.
If both sides are ruining the future, it also matters which one is worse if you have to choose one. In this context, you dont need to choose only one
Republican and and Democrats*Humans
Im tired of the purely performative nonsense in modern democratic party as well. For the resources and votes that go their way they always find a way to deliver nothing, or actively betray us all. Supporting far rightwing genocide, pissing on progressives and progressive causes, and utterly ignoring the working class in the last ~10 elections (since Carter) are prime examples of this.
Time to toss the traitors out the door and clean this party out.
Meme mentions republicans ruining the country. Know before I even click on it that the comments will all be about “B-but the democrats are just as b-bad!”
Typical Lemmy.
Big brain moves, using 98% hitler to defeat 100% hitler.
You’re so fucking delulu that you think Democrats are 98% Hitler. Lmao.
You seemed to take this one personally, im sorry.
Nah. It’s just fucking hilarious that you would say something that retarded unironically.
I’ve scrolled a few pages now and haven’t seen a single one of those. Weird. I guess I’ll keep going. I wouldn’t generalize Lemmy like that though.
This thread is full of it.
I’ll keep looking 😄
There are two possibly three in this thread alone. Stop being intentionally myopic.
intentionally myopic
Uh. I was just giving my experience? In fact I was intentionally open-minded, saying I would look further. The fuck? Who is myopic here?
Maybe actually take two seconds to look next time before deciding to comment denying their existence.
Bro, I literally wrote that I scrolled a few pages already and didn’t see any. Maybe take a moment to read what I write?
So rude.
Some of them are. Specifically, Nancy Pelosi and Schumer. Establishment shills to the max. AOC, Bernie, and Jasmine Crocket are our hope for the future, although I’m a bit aggravated with Bernie’s corporate donors. AOC does not accept money from large corporations. She is the obvious leader of the party.
My optimism for the future is dead at this point. Even if we miraculously have a collective pivot into sustainable practices tomorrow, this train ain’t stopping in my lifetime. Maybe it’ll be better for future generations, I sincerely hope it is and I’ll keep doing what I can to ensure that. But my future is doomed to dealing with the mess that unchecked greed and exploitation has wreaked upon our world.
Yeah, this is kind of my attitude as well, sadly. I’m a younger millennial, but I feel I’ve been around long enough to determine we’re truly just a pot of boiling crabs dragging everyone else down to try to save ourselves.
I think one of the hardest parts of getting older, at least for me, is watching the childlike wonder and hope for the world within yourself slowly vanish. I’ll never stop fighting the good fight, but the light has definitely died in my heart. Honestly, sad as fuck.
Hope is a toxic ideaology. It does nothing but destroy us, like a cheap steak in hydrofluoric acid.
It stays our hand, and slows our response.
Hope needs to die.
and be replaced by an unbridled, mindless, blackout rage.
Let me introduce sociopath theory.
Their lack of morals allows them to rapidly accumulate money and power. Once entrenched, they continue amass wealth and power far beyond what is healthy for functioning societies. People don’t check this accumulation because individually they are moral humans who it pains in the extreme to seriously injure another human on their own (Luigi is an extreme exception driven by unbearable pain). But, when it gets bad enough, the poor, the losers in the sociopath race, normally isolated, begin to bond together to protect themselves from predation. This bonding together decreases the individual emotional burden of doing violence. People mob up … emboldened by those around them. At a certain point, it goes critical and elite heads roll far and wide.
At that point, the sociopaths are purged and the moral can go back to some form of just governance for a decade or two until the sociopaths begin to claw it all back.
Que the “ableist” hate mail.
I wish america was more like the french, when it came to actually rioting in the streets and burning the bitch down when shit goes against what the people want.
Together with 24/7/365 capitalist propaganda fire hosed into our faces from the time we’re born.
Blame the 30 yr mortgage.
Progressives who refused to vote for any genocider of either party are those french.
Na, if you dont participate you willingly don’t deserve to have your opinion be heard.
Well thats not your decision to make-- at the ballot box or here. So thats just like, your opinion, man. I did fill out the ballot by the way. I just left the president line empty. And I’ll cheerfully do it again next time if the Dems keep supporting zionism. And again and again forever. Theres not a thing you can do about that. Cheers, pal.
Crabs don’t need to boil to hold each other down, they’re just assholes.
Like humans.
True! I was conflating a bucket of crabs and boiling frogs. I guess we’re both though, so it’s pretty fitting.
The frog thing is less fun to me when I learned it’s less accurate, apparently they can sense it warming and just hop tf out of dodge when it gets warm
We have much to learn from the frog sensei…
Spoiler: It won’t. The wealth gap inequality will continue to grow. Most of the world will essentially become slaves to the corporations and wealthy elites.
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Unfortunately, shifting to the right is a global trend. It’s just starting.
I would raise both hands, so we can include the Democrats as well.
Both are part of the problem. Along with their owners.
One of them is certainly a much larger problem.
My list of “ways conservatives have fucked or tried to fuck me or people I care about” goes all the way back to age 13.
I’m not a cheerleader for democrats, but I think we can make our own thread to bitch about them. Only one party is speedwalking us to the 4th Reich right now.
People are right to say Dems are different when it comes to domestic policy, but they agree with Republicans on almost all foreign policy decisions. A significant portion of the criticisms Democrat representatives made of the recent Iran bombings amounted to, “Hey, you didn’t give us a chance to agree wholeheartedly!”
And most of this “slide into fascism” is just taking foreign policies and applying them domestically. In that sense, Democrats hold a lot of the blame as well.
Both parties are all in on Empire, but differ slightly on how to divvy up the spoils of war.
No argument from me. What Constantinople was to Rome, the US is to the British.
I don’t disagree. Republicans are overtly evil.
But many people ignore that both have been facilitating the concentration of wealth and power that is at the core of all the systemic problems affecting almost everyone.
It started around the Reagan era and was reinforced by die bushes and Clinton.
Obama was the big “Change” candidate that was supposed to reverse the trend, but he betrayed people by entrenching it instead. They distracted people though the token measure of “wokeness” and obamacare, which did nothing to address the causes of those problems.
When you say this, it leads the uneducated to conclude that the parties are remotely similar in terms of being problematic. Is this a lie you intend to propagate?
Hmmmm, both supported genocide for one. Both take large sums from oligarchs and PACs to do their bidding. You can perhaps argue on some of the social issues but beyond that I don’t see how you make a large difference in their corruption
Yes but the Democrats support LGBT rights
that costs their masters (superpacs and oligarchs) nothing. same as anti-lgbt pro-bible rhetoric of gop cost them nothing. those parasites divert us with worthless marketing while leeching away all the resources.
It’s not a lie though. If the Democrats don’t want to appear to be “remotely similar”, maybe they could try distancing themselves from the Republicans, instead of adopting the Republican policies.
On the matters most important, they are the same. Both are hell bent on the concentration of wealth and power with the elite.
Republicans just add the flavour of being overtly evil, where Democrats pretend they are good.
The political system is the problem, what we have today, is what it has been designed to do.
Things would still be shit if Democrats were in power instead, just a bit less so. It’s not like everything was rosy under the very recent Biden administration. The two party duopoly needs to be dismantled and it should be a matter of priority for Americans.
Oh I must have missed when Biden sold off public lands, sent masked thugs all over the country to lock up American citizens and anyone with a darker complexion away in concentration camps, gutted consumer protection, corporate oversight, environmental oversight, and every other agency that works for the people and not him, fired everyone in government not loyal to him, and sold of our national secrets to Russia. Must I go on because I have a whole notepad dedicated to keeping track of this shit. You cannot in good faith argue what you’re arguing. You’re just further pushing the Russian narrative meant to keep us so divided we can’t progress. The Dems are by no means perfect but it’s like comparing an apple with a few brown spots to a truck tire. I’d rather eat the apple.
I had one of these running “is it both sides?” notes during the first term and my bullet points all seems so quaint now. “Gutting the state department and straining relationships with allies, praising dictators, threatening the press” hahaha…haaa fml
Yet he and his successor failed to stop the most dangerous president in US history getting elected a second time. It’s quite spectacular, really. The next president will be a Republican as well if the Democrats don’t get their act together. It’s always everyone else’s fault but their own.
So whatever Trump does is Biden’s fault? Wow the Republicans have really successfully brainwashed the masses quite spectacularly.
No, but he and by extension the DNC made a catalogue of avoidable errors that allowed Trump to win a second term. They’re not responsible for Trump’s madness, but they sure have to share a large portion of the blame for failing to read the situation. Trump was able to unify batshit insane conservatives far more effectively than Biden and Harris were able to unify liberals and progressives. Not enough people turned out for them.
You’re right, that makes them just as bad 🙄
At no point did I say that. And you accuse me of bad faith. In any case, being better than Trump is not an effective campaign strategy in the real world. Not enough people turned out to support the Dems, and they need to ask themselves why.
Democrats lost the working class, and no party can win without them. They need to ask themselves why, but that takes self-reflection. They would rather point and scream like babies, ‘orange man bad!’ Look at the democrats today, mostly neo-liberals, with no message, no solutions, no rage against the war, absolutely no policies to draw the working class back, dead in the water. Not even a prospect for leadership, except Klobuchar, Buttigieg and Newsom. You think they are going to wow the working class back to vote democrat?
You said things would be just as bad if Biden was president. That is a bad faith argument. I rebut it so you continually move the goalpost. That is arguing in bad faith. I’m fucking tired of this both sides are bad bullshit while we’re living under a christo-fascist dictatorship. We don’t need perfect, we need better. Voters continually take in this Russian right wing propaganda that says if Dems aren’t perfect then don’t vote for them, and all it gets us is further and further to the right. Go talk to a wall, I don’t care to hear any more of this drivel.
Love that logic.
no one stopped the murder i guess its law enforcement fault. Its just the murderer nature after all. Better blame them instead of the person murdering ppl.
Tell all the American citizens and legal residents that are being abducted and deported without due process that Democrats would only be a bit better.
A bit?
I agree. Trump is just a symptom of the problem. People didn’t like Biden. They just didn’t want Trump. With the wealth gap widening and the national debt interest costing more than our defense budget, there is no way our path was sustainable. It’s one thing Elon said I agree with. I just wish we could have dealt with our shit without half the country being kneejerk about it and deciding they would just rather hate and alienate everyone while we deal with the natural consequences of our inevitably collapsing system. The collapse was coming regardless, but they needed everyones racist anger and inferiority complexes to accelerate it.
I’m tired of both Democrats and Republicans destroying the future, and people pretending Democrats don’t because they do it slightly less
Inb4 somebody starts saying you are just demoralizing people by saying “both sides are bad”
My grandpa killed Nazis so his son could become a Nazi
Title to a future song of a generation, right here.
