Shouldn’t have*
*refrigerator
They were trying to capture the dialect of a pensioner. I’m positive the word choice was intentional.
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Meanwhile perhaps 100s of millions of hens live in small cages in probable misery because we want cheaper eggs.
As an aussie who has had many foods taken by birds including a fucking eagle that stole my burger out of my hands, this is some sociopath shit
I reckon. Birds are fuckin psycho.
seriously. who steals a french fry?
Why is everyone jumping to the psychopath narrative? Is there background on this guy? Why bring up crying children? This feels like a Phy Op to me and some people replying in this post are glowing a bit…
Edit: Finally after everyone spent all day being mad at me for asking for information, one of you got me some. Thanks alekwithak!
Yeah, because killing a huge fucking seagull in front of kids is a totally normal thing to do.
So all not normal things are psychotic?
No but brutally killing an animal in public in front of children is.
They should have brought it home and killed it in private like a civilized person.
Ah, so now we have to figure out if there was intent kill let alone intent to brutally kill. I think this thread is where I am having this discussion , but let me know if you think it is too far off and want to start your own.
Tbh, I don’t care what the “intent” was. Swinging an animal by its feet into a wall because it stole your chips is an entirely inappropriate response.
Like if you kicked a dog in the head because it peed in your lawn. It’s a disgusting and very much non-proportional response.
Ok, to be clear. Your argument is that accidently killing a bird makes you a psychopath. Do I have that right?
Yeah! Like that!
He accidentally grabbed the bird’s legs, accidentally hulk-smashed it into a wall, accidentally got its blood on his chips, which he accidentally ate while smirking.
You’re winning, keep talking!
The moral highground is an addictive drug. People are desperate for it.
Because killing animals, especially over petty shit, and especially especially in front of others while disregarding their reactions is literally psychopath shit. Your insistence that this is some kind of ‘Phy Op’ just makes you look like one, too. Edit: and to call people out for ‘glowing’ is not helping your case, either.
How do we know they intended to kill the bird and not give it a light bonk? Where did you see he disregarded their reactions?
"I heard one of the mums say “why did you do that in front of my child?” and he said “it’s vermin, you should teach your children about vermin”
I said ‘why did you do that’ and he just shrugged his shoulders and walked away’
Sounds like a great guy. He’s lucky to have you here defending him for some reason.
This is what I have been asking for all day. Your the first person to provide me with some actual information. Thanks! After seeing this, I think the person did intend to kill the seagull. I don’t know if it rises to psychopathy, but everyone else’s reactions seem to make more sense now.
I’ve given light bonks to my wife before. It’s a shame the judge won’t see reason.
Thanks for self reporting your spousal abuse I guess.
Hey! You’re supposed to be on our side!
The wife-beater bird-beater consortium will hear about this.What is happening right now? Are you writing a book? Is this roll play?
You know, if you have some information or an augment against my point. You can just say it. Wrapping it in sarcasm or whatever that last post was, doesn’t help me and others understand what you are getting at. Also, it doesn’t make you look very good.
Look, man. I just talked to Chris Brown. He told me you will be sanctioned and put into the bonk-pit for 21 days for being a bird lover. That is, unless you can post a video of you bonking a bird right now to prove you aren’t a traitor to our cause.
You can email it to wife.keeps.stealing.my.chips@birdwatchers.com
Have you simply never used your hands to do anything before? Or maybe you were born without hands?
I’m just wondering how a human reaches adulthood without understanding what will happen when you nunchuk a seagull into a wall.
So your implying he used full force? How do you know that, is there a video?
So you’ve never used your hands to do anything before, got it.
Are you AI? This is a level of not understanding human strength that seems very ‘I am not human’.
Wait so you’re saying everything you do is full force?
In my experience I can adjust the power and speed I use to do things. This must be blowing your mind.
Wtf is this argument? Swinging things applies other forces besides your own power and speed, and since you brought up those two forces you must realize there’s a minimum of both that must be applied in order to swing an object properly and you’d also know full well as Newton’s third law of motion dictates that when said swinging object meets the object at rest that the sum of those forces will be exerted back onto the swinging object. Every choice made equals bird death. He didn’t flick it on the nose, he didn’t show it up slightly, he didn’t swing it into some software brush or a beach ball or an elastic fence, he swung it into a brick wall. A + B = C. Anything else is just conjecture on your end, made in some vain attempt to justify brutish thuggery just because the victim was an animal you don’t respect.
Try it yourself. Get about two feet of rope or something. Tie an egg to the end. See exactly how much speed and power you have to use to get it to properly swing. Then swing it into a brick wall and try not to break the egg. Make sure to film the attempt, I’d love to see it.
I’m reading all your comments in the voice of John Mulaney
Imagine making a mistake, it couldn’t be this guy — this guy only takes W’s and can perfectly control his body. Down to his fucking heart rate like Hannibal, wow — us lowly mortals will never compare to the guy with volume sliders on his muscles.
Not only is he cruel, he is actually participating in making more powerful Seagulls, the surviving seagulls will be the ones that can steal chips and survive being thrown at a wall. Beware the terminator seagull soon attacking your chips, the walls will not survive!
Most are the hunted, some are the hunter.
Seagulls: 2,047,7998, Humans: 1
to be fair I haven’t seen a seagull spin somebody around by the head and kill them
You should, it’s quite the sight
This would only be true, if that piece of shit had stolen the seagull it’s chip or if the seagulls had smashed more than two million people to death.
When’s the last time of these sky rats swung someone into a wall though. I’d say that counts for at least 5 chips.
Humans:
- Takes all the fish for themselves
- has bussiness dump to birds perfectly edible but to humans not commercially pretty enough fish bits in the trash.
- builds apartments on the gulls original habitat
“wHy Do ThESe SEaguLl KeEP STEalinG FrOm Us”
I also grew up at the coast and yes they are a menace. But as the saying goes fuck around, find out.
Imagine if we restored and maintained the habitat and did a daily collection of fish waste to dump near that habitat.
Yeah, that seagull sure as hell found out.
Exc-fucking-actly. I’m horrified by how many people here think that animal cruelty is okay when you don’t like the said animal.
They’re also a “menace” because many people actively feed them. It’s the same as ducks following people around expecting bread.
Well said!
I have absolutely no problem with the death penalty for crimes like this.
Really?
For child and animal abuse, I just struggle to see a problem with it.
Are you talking about the sea gull or the man?
They’re talking about punishing the guy
Shouldn’t ave pinched me chip, simple as!
If you hurt animals, you suck.
Factory farms and the entire livestock/dairy/meat industry does indeed suck.
I grew up by the sea and seagulls can fuck right off. Ones where I was learned to shit on you and your food from above so you would put it in the bin, then they’d raid the bin and eat the shit covered food.
A near-lifetime around these fuckers gives me some sympathy for this guy. Not a lot, but some.
Grew up by the sea too. Humans destroyed the vast majority seagulls’ habitat, overfished a ton, so if now they steal from us, it’s only fair. They are wild animals and need food. People should learn to protect their food instead of being a horrible piece of shit.
That just sounds like they’re being smart to me. They do it to get food, not to be malicious. Unlike humans.
Doesn’t make them any more convenient to live with than hungry mosquitoes or botfly larvae
That’s why I prefer bagels.
The bird shit might clear the hole?
Nah I just prefer gulls that fly over the bay.
Well played
I grew up with seagulls (well, lake gulls) and they weren’t a bother. Then I visited the actual seaside… I wondered why there weren’t more chip stands serving seagull meat.
Small flighted bird - Low meat ratio
Human food scavenger - Dirty malnourished
Of course, if you give McDonalds any hints, they might throw em in a grider whole and start a new line of nuggets.
It’s been considered by many but unfortunately they are full of tiny bones, lack much meat, and don’t taste great owing to their ongoing diet of garbage, fast food, and their own shit
Hilarious…You gotta admit that’s some savage survival skills…hatred yes but maybe some respect.
Fuck seagulls. They are made to piss of humans.
I love living in a seaside English tourist area, watching tourists get absolutely bullied to bits by the seagulls.
What he did was wrong, a bit because of the animal and a lot because of the spectators. It did not suffer, it was quick. It does however feel a bit like cognitive dissonance to strongly disapprove of his actions, while we systematically without any good reason eat animals and have them in small confined areas for optimal meat production per sqm. Vegans and vegetarians however, they can judge him all they want 😉 I am not one of them
It shows anger issues and a proloclivity towards disproportionate retribution. Most people wouldn’t kill an animal for a simple chip/fry heist.
It might not have been the first gull who stole his chips—a man has his limits.
He should not have. But we kill animals all the time simply for eating meat, because we think that tastes a bit better. We don’t need to inflict suffering on animals for years, we can abstain from meat. How are we more moral? Just because we outsource the killing? I so not condone his actions, just point out that we are not better.
I think there is a substantial difference though. Meat processing is done in a measured, considered way for a benefit (meat) that cannot be obtained without killing the animal. It is done in isolated facilities away from people who find the process disturbing. Just because people find something gross doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done - we have sewage maintenance done out of the public eye too - but it does maybe mean it should be done where people don’t have to see it. The only benefit this man gets from killing the animal is some sort of “revenge”. But this is in principle completely contradictory to meat processing, where animals are seen as less capable of higher order experiences and therefore more acceptable to kill. To seek revenge, you would need to be assigning more higher order experience to the seagull than we typically see it as having. You have to see the seagull as selfish, stealing, criminal, rude, etc., even though in reality a more reasonable person understands that it’s just an animal looking for food. Meat processing is not done out of some emotional vendetta against the animals, rather it is the cold detachment of it that is exactly what makes it acceptable. Can you imagine if we killed the same amount of chickens every day, not to eat them, but just because we hate them? This is much more horrifying! Because that would mean we think chickens are having complex enough inner experiences to warrant hatred, yet still we kill them.
Meat processing maybe isn’t great, but it’s still much better than this seagull killer. It isn’t impulsive, it isn’t disproportionate in response to the situation, it acknowledges and conceals its own horrors; thereby paying respect to important social codes. The actions of this man, though, disregarded the well-being of children and others around him, in an impulsive and disproportionate response - your average meat-eater is indeed better than that, I think. When I have a craving for some meat, I don’t drag a calf down to the nearest playground, cut it in half and spray blood over the children, and proceed to mock the calf’s weakness and inferiority as I beat it to tenderize it before consumption. I just want some food, dude. But what’s this guy’s beef? It’s not beef, and it’s not even seagull meat, but rather some frightening notion of swift and decisive revenge, which reveals that he is just waiting for any excuse to get away with brutalizing things around him.
I think you might be debating a person who may refuse to acknowledge the points of their opponents. If they come back again, just sit it out.
Boy don’t try that vegan crap on us, meat is faaaaaaar more nutritious than veggies.
But that “Peter” guy told me to “eat veggies” when I asked him how he managed to easily and acrobatically evade that incoming high speed vehicle! Why didn’t he tell me to “eat meat” instead?
That peter guy is a figment of your imagination.
The point is the it’s not cognitive dissonance, it’s just reacting to a different aspect of it than simply the dead animal.
But they will to make gravy and nobody bats an eye.
We are a species of cognitive dissonance. I want to know how many of the people reading this story and feeling revolted or horrified were eating meat at the time.
Also not a vegan per-say, but I have reduced my meat intake and try to buy local to avoid giving money to the nightmare hellscapes like Tyson and Perdue the like. That’s about the best I can manage in my current lifestyle.
Everyone needs to reconcile and work out this dilemma. It’s amazing how many people are dishonest with themselves and others about their reasons for feeling the way they do about eating meat, killing animals, etc. It’s okay to say “I love animals but not enough to quit eating meat” and accept it in yourself. It’s not a worse moral failing than a hundred other contradictory ideas we all hold in our heads every day. It’s okay to say “I find this story distasteful because killing animals should be done behind closed doors to respect others.” That’s also a fine opinion to have.
I don’t get why people have to do backflips to rationalize shit. We are irrational species.
Exactly this, I am not trying to say that it is not allowed to have the opinion that this was distasteful. I just find it interesting how hard people judge this person. There are infinitely amounts of cognitive dissonance we all live with every day. It’s not really to judge people for eating meat, it’s more to point our that from a logical standpoint this person actually did not do something much more unethical. Kinda like the thing with the female politician who shot her dog. Which I personally feel is insane and a terrible thing to do, but at the same time dogs are kinda like pigs, and we kill them all the time just because we prefer pig meat over lentils, beans, rice etc.
Another thing, I remember when I used to live in a house with a cat and a lot of rodents. Our traps killed a couple a week and our cat killed probably not far from a thousand rodents and birds. We could have protected our house more from animals, and we could have had the cat indoors. Somehow cats killing animals is socially accepted, the same goes for rodents in your house.
You don’t know it didn’t suffer and he didn’t kill it so that he could eat it (I’m disagreeing with you on the “cognitive dissonance” thing).
Also im not sure if you are saying that you dont judge him for what he did or just saying youre not vegan, but doing as he did is judge worthy.
Of course he should not have done this. What I am saying is that eating meat when we clearly don’t need to is also unnecessary killing. So he killed an animal for no good reason, and we kinda do the same. We have more ethical foods available for us, but we like the taste of meat, and don’t care enough about their suffering. Except for those that abstain from meat.
I am judging the extreme level of force after something so minor as a stolen chip.
Shouldn’t ave stolen me chip. Simple as.
Good point, I concede
I know what you mean, it’s disproportionate as hell. I am just saying that we aren’t much better morally than him. Unless we abstain from meat.
Let’s think about it cold. Kill seagull -> no witnesses, and the next seagull might do the same. I mean, let’s get on his level of apeshit crazy, and let’s assume seagulls actually understand stuff like humans, morals, and above all, human morals, and on top of that, they even care about those and want to comply. You didn’t give it a lesson, because it died before it could learn from it, or before it could let the other seagulls know it’s not cool to steal chips.
Hell, even when I’m trying to get on his level, it’s still primitively dumb.
If a seagull is stealing chips from someone, odds are there are plenty of other seagulls around to witness their compatriot getting merked.
Seagulls understand that stealing from humans is risky - that’s why they generally do it very quickly. The ones who fail suffer consequences for their failure, same as stealing food from any other creature. It’s the risk/reward calculation any scavenger has to make.
Sometimes they calculate incorrectly. They get forcibly removed from the gene pool.
Of course, it’s also illegal in a lot of countries to harm seagulls, so in that sense, he was in the wrong anyways.
It’s not about morals that the seagulls can understand. It is not about teaching something. He acted like a moron and completely disproportionately. However it’s not that much unethical than killing for meat, when we don’t need to eat meat.
Yeah, the guy should have eaten the seagull, not just killed it.
I don’t eat meat (mostly a taste thing), but I’d definitely gift it to a nearby chap doing a bbq after the smack.
Not to waste something that could become food, right?
Rats with wings. I got bit by a goose as a kid so while I don’t go looking for a fight, I have been waiting 13 years for one to finally try again so I can grab it by that stupid fucking neck and give it this exact treatment.
What a sack of shit you are
Gets attacked by an organism
Exacts revenge on an entirely different organism that had nothing to do with the first situation
Just stay away from their nests dude
Edited bc I remembered I don’t give a shit about you or this anymore.
The dude is just staying alert in case another one comes to the dude, trying to do the same thing as the original one.
Seems like the dude would do the same to any other kind of organism trying the same thing on the dude (perhaps you can try biting the dude’s neck to see if you get the written reaction).I’ll call that immunisation.
That’s crazy behavior honestly. Don’t let that guy have access to kids, they wouldn’t make it long.
They’ll survive as long as they don’t steal his chips.
Don’t steal his chip
Simple as
This thread seems very British.
I’m not. I think that kids would steal his chip. “Simple as” as my pasty strange voiced relatives say.
Those kids better stick to their own damn chips
