My father in law decided randomly one day I was going to learn to drive manual. So he started up the pickup truck, and said “it’s easy to get started going down hill” as he demonstrated rolling down a steep hill. Then he u-turned, parked the truck at the bottom of that steep hill, turned off the engine got out and said “your turn”. Dick.
Lol volkswagen autostart
Slows down for speed bump.
Engine turns off.
Wait this happens?? Lmao
Yeah. Know problem in my polo. Have to turn stopstart each time you start the car
Autostart and lane assist are turned off in my car.
🤮 So glad my stop-start has been broken on my Hyundai for years now, everything else works though
I always hated this instruction. When instead I had it explained that one can think of it as fading the clutch out and fading the accelerator in (and that points in between are fine too) I immediately understood and never had an issue again. Admittedly I stalled a few times when switching to a different car whilst I learned its specific tolerances, but conceptually I was golden.
…now I drive an electric car.
Also it’s never taught that you should lift the clutch to the bite point and keep it still until the car builds up some momentum. I think people do it so subconsciously that it doesn’t occur to them that that’s the key to moving from a standstill.
I love teaching my friends how to drive stick. The first lesson is how to make the idle car move by lifting the clutch foot so slow that you can feel the car move and keep going slowly until the foot is off the clutch pedal. It’s about a 15 minute lesson and the driver understands what to do with the clutch. The gas is easy.
In their own car right? That’ll kill the clutch after a few friends. It’s entirely possible to do, but thats hella unhealthy wear on the clutch. The parking lot must just reek when you’re done.
It depends on the car, my first car used gasoline, so the idle torque was low and you really needed to push the gas at the same time, otherwise it would stall, maybe not if you are releasing the clutch extremely slow, but that is not practical.
My current diesel car has so much torque even at idle that you really don’t need to press the gas pedal while releasing the clutch.
It’s slow, but in most cars the idle is torquey enough that it’s not that slow. My beater doesn’t even have 1st gear anymore, so I start in second, and I can still go from a full stop to clutch fully released and rolling in like 4 seconds (if that) without touching the gas at all.
I feel like this is something that you just have to do to learn though. You can’t smoothly and competently operate the clutch without understanding the bite-point, and for a noob it’s going to be really tough to get a feel for that bite-point if they aren’t taking it very slow at first. Speed will come, usually after only a few starts
It’s also nicer to pedestrians and other drivers if the car isn’t sporadically revving or lurching.
Exactly! In city driving or parking lots when I’m just creeping around I literally don’t touch the gas at all sometimes
Nope. I teach them in my car. And yeah, the car might sometimes stutter but that doesn’t hurt anything. It’s hard to harm to a clutch without using the gas pedal or a graded street.
You aren’t having them redline the engine and slip the clutch going up a hill. Practicing idle starts in first is probably way less wear than a single sporty start on a highway on ramp.
On principle I only teach in their car, but made an exception for my friend’s husband since he wanted to rent a manual overseas. I learned my lesson, he didn’t
This wasn’t taught to me either but this is the best thing for teaching others. I’ve explained this to a few people before that were struggling to learn and it made the process much easier.
It’s like learning to ride a bike. There’s all this balance going on, but after you’re good at it it’s just natural and you kind of forget how to explain what to do because you stopped thinking about it so long ago.
I was taught that. I learned driving in Germany, though.
Really depends on the amount of torque your car has at idle, in some you don’t need to touch the gas pedal at all to set off.
Or how good the anti-stall system is, the car I learned in was basically impossible to stall by letting the clutch up too fast, it would just automatically fade in power.
I enjoy driving, so I drive a manual. People who don’t enjoy driving, or who merely drive because there’s no other alternative, should not drive a manual.
That being said, nobody should drive a tesla.
I love driving but I will not drive a manual unless there’s no other alternative, it’s 2025 I shouldn’t have to be doing that for my car
I don’t like my car doing anything I didn’t explicitly tell it to, or not doing what I do he’ll it to, like not downshifting when it’s time to downshift.
Exactly. I hate those little gear shift recomendations. Fuck off I will shoft to 5th when I want to and not when you say because your dumb ass cannot see the hill we are about to ascend in 200m.
Just get an auto with paddle shifters, best of both worlds without having to feel like you’re operating Victorian era machinery. Modern auto boxes change faster than you can, and give better acceleration and economy.
I love driving and passed my test in a manual. I wouldn’t go back now.
I thought paddles would be cool. My first 335i was a dct and I eventually sold it for a real manual 335i. It’s really gonna suck when manual is truly gone :(
6mt 335 gang unite. I love mine.
I’ve had my 2011 for 9 years, best car
No thanks. I like a manual gearbox because it’s fun, I feel in control. I don’t want to rely on electronics for something less fun. I don’t care if automatics are now faster, or if paddles are faster. They’re not as fun.
To anyone wondering why some people prefer the control a stick offers over automatic, I tell them: it’s like listening to Beethovens 5th over the radio vs ACTUALLY CONDUCTING the orchestra.
As someone who’s never conducted an orchestra or driven a manual, this simile doesn’t really help at all.
As someone who drives a manual, I’m going to go try and conduct an orchestra
It’s raining out and the road your on starts going up a hill. Theres a lot of water on the road so you’re not driving fast. An automatic sees your rpms dropping because you need more power to go up the hill. It doesn’t know its raining. It downshifts to give you more power to get up the hill. You went from 50 mph at 1300rpms to 45 mph at 5000 rpms. All that power now going to your tires creates more opportunity for your wheels to loose traction in the rain and fishtail.
In a manual you put in a gear that keeps your rpms high enough to maintain speed but not 5000 rpms to “go faster”. The power to the wheels stays exactly where you want it to be based on the road conditions. Replace with snow, sleet, etc etc.
Wat? Its not 1995 anymore. The computers are smart enough not to send your rpms to the moon when you arent pressing the gas. And the system may not necessarily know its raining, but it sure as hell knows more about the moment to moment traction on each wheel than even the driver does! And lets not even get into the fact that you don’t make more power that way anyway, or that your tires are hopefully not so shit or bald as fuck and at risk of fishtailing during totally normal situations.
Its like being a meteor instead of a satellite orbiting the earth
In an automatic the car decides when to shift gears and to which gear. And it also decides how softly or hard it should do this.
In a manual car you have to do all of this yourself, but that also means you decide when and how to do it.
Every car I owned so far was a manual and only rentals were sometimes automatic. But that’s purely due to cost. I dive out of necessity, not for fun and an automatic is so much more relaxing in stop-and-go rush hour traffic than a manual stick shift.
My ex tried to teach me to drive stick on the way home from urgent care… my urgent care. Because it was convenient for him at that time. He refused to teach me several times before then because it was inconvenient. (why yes, I did leave him decades ago over abuse, thanks for asking! Tho it was not the specific thing)
I don’t care if manual is superior in some irrelevant way; I refuse to learn now due to trauma. Pretty sure I looked just like this picture.
Hey glad your free of that
Meh, stick is simpler so if anything goes wrong it’s easy to fix or less things to break. The only other reason is that it forces you to pay attention to your driving, so, if your into cars, it’s more enjoyable to go for a drive.
Automatic is superior, especially now. You aren’t missing much.
Thing is, it’s not superior in any way, quite the opposite. Maybe things were different decades ago.
Though I drive an automatic now, I do still feel like manual transmission gives you a little bit more control. I miss being able to use the clutch in the friction zone for fine control at low speeds or even reversing. Plus I miss being able to downshift at higher speeds for a bit more torque. The last one is achievable by just pressing the accelerator to make the automatic shifter understand what I want to do, or by using it’s manual override but that feels less natural to me for some reason.
Different technology, different pros/cons. You don’t need to learn it in the same way you don’t need to learn to calculate the sheer force of a raindrop on a window: you just don’t need to.
Learning manual is one of those things that requires some understanding of what’s going on, a lot of time, and patience. It’s a feel thing, but you need context. After that, it’s muscle memory - and context.
Honestly, most people do all parts of it wrong. So don’t feel bad.
Heard the manual vs automatic argument million times. I learned to drive using manual, my first few cars were all manuals and this is all I knew for a long time.
When we bought our first car together with my wife we got an automatic. She is a less confident driver, and wanted an automatic car. I dont mind it at all, got used to it and now I don’t miss manual at all. She is a much safer driver, under stress or in a sticky situation the manual transmission is a an extra thing to worry about and I feel calmer knowing that she can fully concentrate on the road instead of shifting.
I think manual is great for experienced drivers, but automatic is so much safer for beginners and people like my wife.
i had a manual mustang cobra a long time ago and dealing with the clutch in stop and go traffic could get exhausting. my leg would actually start getting tired after a while.
I also learned on manual in Europe and switched to automatic when I moved to the US because it’s the only option.
i like driving while being able to rest one arm out the window, or sip from a drink or something.
If I need to quickly accelerate out of a busy turning I put it into Sport mode and turn Eco Mode off
Press the clutch with your left foot, slowly release it as you slowly press the accelerator with your right foot.
To be fair it is more complicated than that. You have to feel the car start to move, hear the revs react, adjust the rate at which you release the clutch and how much gas you give accordingly and for some vehicles/situations you even need to pause the release of the clutch for a moment to let the vehicle start to gain speed. It’s all something you eventually get used to and can do without thinking but there is a significant frustrating hump to get over in the learning curve.
I feel like those who say they don’t understand why people like driving manual are people who never got over that hump. Because once you get over it, it is a lot of fun. And even if you still prefer to drive automatic after that because of your personal preferences, you still get why some do like it.
I’ve taught a half dozen or so people to drive manuals. Each one did something I’d not have expected. My favorite was the person who pushed the clutch down only as far as they pressed the brake when coming to a stop. Of course the car died. Once we could break that habit they did alright.
I pretty much just start with having them stall the car to prove the world doesn’t end…it’s fine. It’s gonna happen a dozen or so more times. Let’s move on.
On the other hand, I grew up driving manual, as most people in Europe, and my first time driving an automatic I was rolling up to the car rental exit and I pressed the brake as hard as I usually press the clutch. It was not fun for anyone in the car.
Then over the next few days of road trip, everyone else in the car had their turn at driving and we all did it 2 or 3 times, so it became an inside joke.
There was a point when everything I owned were manuals. Went to visit my parents and had to drive one of their cars. Got in and went to start it and thud! I instinctively went for the clutch and brake. Right foot found the brake and my left foot found the floor.
You typically learn to feel the accelerator and brake with one foot but just engage the clutch (ie, all the finesse is letting the clutch out). But you know this. All your muscle memory works like that. When you switch to automatic, just use the one foot and it works much better.
You have probably already worked that out but it’s handy advice if you’re a passenger in an automatic with a first-time driver who is used to manual.
The hard part to muscle-learn was to leave the left foot alone and just use the right one.
My parents insisted I learn on a manual, and while I didn’t appreciate it at the time, I do now.
The regional DMV office where I took my driving exam had the most notorious parallel parking setup in the state. It was two traffic cones next to a very large, 3 1/2 foot diameter log (representing the curb) and was on the side of a circular cul-de-sac. So not only did you have to account for the curvature, if you got too close to the curb, you were gonna have a very bad day lol.
If you’re wondering: I nailed it (they let you practice after hours which helped).
What does manual transmission have to do with parallel parking?
Nothing other than increasing the difficulty for a novice driver. Mostly it’s me going on a tangent and reminiscing about defeating that fucking log lol.
From my experience it’s a lot easier to drive slowly just woth the clutch instead of the gas pedam
Absolutely. Clutch control is super useful.
What’s wrong with just driving through the nearby streets and searching for a fitting spot for parking?
AFAIK, it’s mostly due to how the driving exams are structured.
First you have to pass the written exam. If you fail that, you don’t continue.
After the written exam is the parallel parking test. That’s done on-site. If you don’t pass that part, you don’t continue to the road test.
The road test is last; it’s up to the instructor where you go for that, but it usually is a route that covers various scenarios that were on the exam (4-way stops, crosswalks, speed transition zones, school zones, etc).
I’d guess it’s setup that way because of how many people fail the parallel parking test; best to do that in a controlled environment where there’s no risk to regular people’s cars out in the wild.
Edit: This probably varies state-by-state, too. I’m just describing how it was here.
If you don’t have control over the finer movements of your car, parallel park is a pretty good way to weed it out. And if they don’t, you’re gonna fuck up harder in a place that actually matters.
Fuck up when it doesn’t matter so you don’t fuck up when it matters.
“Press the clutch, release it slowly and accelerate.” Bus enginge turns off
“Lead with the foot that is going down” is missing from this.
Automatic transmission ❤️
Try as I might I don’t think I’ll ever understand people who like manual transmission. I think it’s like some kind of elitism thing? I can drive the annoying esoteric vehicle so I’m better than you?
It’s not like it actually makes you go faster, automatic transmissions are pretty good these days. I’ve tried to drive manual vehicles and it just required way too much of my attention for what should be a simple means of conveyance.
annoying esoteric vehicle
You’re making it sound a lot harder and more painful than it is. Do you also judge people who ride 2-wheeled vehicles that “require attention” for staying balanced?
“I don’t like X, therefore people who like X can’t possibly like it for real and must be pretending. In fact, they are elitists who only do it to feel superior to me.”
C’mon mate.
Esoteric? I’ve only encountered a handful of automatic cars in my life here in the UK. Having a licence that only covers automatic has historically been rather limiting here. The only person I know that has that has dyspraxia.
For me the appeal of a manual transmission is in engine braking. When driving an ICE car I barely need the brakes because the majority of my speed management is through engine braking. Fortunately my electric car has the option for pseudo engine braking - and it charges the battery too!
Automatic cars also have engine braking.
When I’ve driven an automatic I could only manually set the gears for first and second. I’m sure that’s not universal as nothing is, but I can only speak to my own experience.
I would usually use fourth when decelerating up to a junction and then switch directly to second as I get close, as an example.
Yeah but it’s not really feasible to use it at every corner and stop like you can a manual car. Engine braking in an auto is mostly just for doing long descents without riding the brakes too much
Some cars have ‘hard’ regenerative braking but yea, it’s rare (thinking about Tesla)
Regen is just an electric car thing though, no? And EVs (with very few exceptions) don’t have a transmission at all?
Regen has been on trains for a long time, fwiw.
Uhhh that sounds right
To be fair I know close to nothing about cars and mechanics
Because they like it. It’s engaging.
But it also forces you to pay better attention, I’m just not going to get snippy about it.
You complaining about the attention… Terrifying. Jesus, you can kill someone.
Had a previous car that was manual. Then I bought a car with a CVT (continuously variable transmission) and it’s such a nuisance because it is always unpredictable when it will shift. So you go to pass someone, step on the gas and sometimes it takes off and other times it fiddles with shifting for a second before giving you any power. Can also be a real pain in stop and go traffic because it will have unpredictable amounts of power when starting from a stop. I’ve had this vehicle since 2017 and it’s always been this way. I don’t miss having to shift constantly but I do miss having a reliable amount of power when I’m in a certain gear - that’s what is so nice about a manual transmission. You feel more in control of the car. That said, my daily driver now is electric with no transmission and that is the best of all.
Those shift points are artificial, unnecessary and only programmed that way because people are used to it.
Is your CVT vehicle a Honda? I know Nissan CVTs have had their issues but the Toyota ones have a fixed/real first gear before they switch to the CVT to give you that reliable start from 0 mph/kph.
Subaru
- Manuals are more engaging. Getting a smooth shift or a perfect rev match on a downshift is very satisfying. Shifting gears when your have a car with a smooth, very mechanically connected shifter feels even more satisfying.
- If you ever have to gun it in an emergency with a manual the acceleration is instant. In an automatic you have to wait a few seconds for the transmission to figure out what gear it wants to be in before anything actually happens.
- Generally, in an automatic, the connection between the engine and the wheels doesn’t feel very mechanical. It feels like they are connected by a rubber band.
- In a manual you feel much more like the car is an extension of you.
- Going back to driving an automatic usually feels like you’re being handed a children’s toy. The whole experience feels hollow and neutered like it’s missing something substantial.
I guess there can be some elitist mindset to being able to do something that fewer and fewer people can do. But thinking that this is the main reason why people love driving stick is downright ignorant.
The “satisfaction” is probably novelty. UK/EU, nobody thinks about it.
I think there’s a kind of fetishisation of manual transmission in the US. Like your emergency scenario: I guess if you need to accelerate away from 30-50 feral hogs then you might welcome it.
I’ve been driving for over 20 years, still enjoy driving manual. But some people never enjoy driving and see it as a chore, I guess you must be one of them.
And “emergency” is just when you need acceleration now. Like for when you overtake someone or are merging on the highway.
Also I know America bashing is popular on this website but you just came across as prejudiced and ignorant. And FYI I’m not even American.
No automatic takes “a few seconds” to gun it, I think you might be the one with the flawed experience
Manual: floor it, instant pull. If I want to downshift I will.
Automatic: floor it, hesitation, downshift, revs go higher but nothing happens because it isn’t sure if it wants to downshift again, hesitation, downshifts, revs go crazy and outside of power band or just at the top end of it, shitty pull, upshifts almost right after. Finally some pull after wasting three seconds.
I’ve driven countless various automatic vehicles. They all do that to varying degrees of disappointment.
One of the first cars I ever drove was the family turbo v6 Chevy box van with an auto (column shifter, the best kind for autos). Thing could seat 12 and handled like a stack of mattresses, but I’d crush the gas pedal into the floor and that thing would pull surprisingly well - after 2-3 business days. Between the transmission taking it’s time to pick just the right gear and the turbo spooling up I could literally punch it and go “one Mississippi two Mississippi three mississi-” VVVVRRRROOOOOMMM. The delay was so prominent that it actually came full circle and became hilarious and fun to drive, one of the only autos I really liked.
Are any of those countless cars ones that have any sort of sport mode? Because i only experience that in cars with no modes (ie permanently in eco mode) or when in the eco modes. Which is a fair enough critique i guess, but also, theyre eco cars for a reason. Nobody cares what happens when you floor it in an eco box while its already upshifted and cruising.
The only time I had a delay was when I had a car that took half a second for VTEC to kick in, I’ve never had an automatic that took SECONDS to go vroom
There is a difference between engine noise and actual acceleration.
I was referring to acceleration.
Most people have manual cars in the UK. Automatics are the weirder, more esoteric ones to us.
I think it’s more or less a cultural thing at this point
FWIW I believe competitive drivers prefer manual control (even if the gearbox itself is automatic) because controlling when the gear change happens can make a difference in a race
I heard that automatic cars were more common in the USA but idk if that’s true
Nearly 98% of cars sold in the US are automatic. Manual transmissions are often not even an option for a lot of models.
That explains it then! Thanks :)
It’s more enjoyable is the main thing. It’s more fun to drive a manual car to many people and that’s their appeal. There are a few other advantages to it as well. They’re generally more reliable and have better fuel economy and performance than automatics that were offered until the 2010s.
I’ve tried to drive manual vehicles and it just required way too much of my attention for what should be a simple means of conveyance.
Driving a manual doesn’t require any more attention than an automatic. Here almost everyone learns in a manual and by the time you get your license it’s something you don’t need to think about.
If you’re used to manual, driving an automatic for the first time is a pretty scary experience. Half the controls you need to operate the car are missing.
It’s not an elitism thing as almost everyone drives a manual. My late mom drove a manual at 72, including dragging a big caravan all across Europe.
Used to be that the only people who drove an automatic were people with (mental) health issues. If you got a manual-only license it used to have a big stamp across it that said ‘AUTOMATIC ONLY’. If you got one of those as a physically healthy 18yo it might as well have said ‘RETARDED’, as that would have been the only reason to get one.
Nowadays with electric cars becoming more common having an automatic-only license has become socially acceptable.
It’s weird to me that y’all don’t appreciate the convenience of advancing technology.
It’s like going “only mentally disabled folks use microwaves, the rest of us light the wood stove and let it simmer for a half hour”
Especially when Europe is known for its electric kettles, which are only recently becoming common in the US, who have traditionally used range-heated kettles.
Shit… are you also all still on Nokia 3310s and connecting to the internet with SLIP/PPP too?
It’s weird to me that y’all don’t appreciate the convenience of advancing technology.
You’re operating from the incorrect assumption that an automatic is more convenient while it isn’t.
Try this: stand up, walk to the other side of the room and back. Was that inconvenient? Did you have to consciously place your legs and think about how to use your feet? No. You just want to go in a certain direction and your legs just move without you needing to think about it.
Driving a manual is the same. You don’t consciously operate the gearbox, you just drive. Shifting gears doesn’t require conscious thought. An automatic isn’t convenient, quite the opposite, as it gives you less control.
Why don’t you use a wheelchair? Surely rolling around is more convenient than balancing on two legs? It’s because balancing on two legs isn’t actually that inconvenient once you learned how. It was when you were a baby, but we help babies learn to walk instead of putting them in a wheelchair. Same goes for driving a manual. Once you learn to a point where you no longer need to think about it, it’s more convenient than an automatic.
It’s like going “only mentally disabled folks use microwaves, the rest of us light the wood stove and let it simmer for a half hour”
Good analogy. Now go microwave a steak while I cook one over a wood fire, which steak do you think will turn out the most delicious?
Actually there used to be another, more important reason:
Back in the old days, automatic transmissions accelerated pretty slowly. It was not possible to accelerate normally – or what we thought to be normal. No one in their right mind would pay ~5–10 % more (automatic transmissions used to be expensive) to get a lame car and annoy everybody at every traffic light. I don’t know when automatic transmissions got as fast as manual shifting, but this memo hasn’t reached Europe yet.
And, last but not least, and only still valid argument: automatic transmissions are still more expensive than manual ones. Why should I pay extra money for some fancy tech with no extra benefit that takes away my illusion of control and feels horrible to drive?
It’s just more fun dude. Manual transmissions make shitty cars bearable, and nicer cars exhilarating. Plus I really like having that direct control over the car. Plus they tend to be more reliable and cheaper to repair. There’s not much else too it.
I’ve tried to drive manual vehicles and it just required way too much of my attention for what should be a simple means of conveyance.
That just means that you haven’t developed the muscle memory yet, you had that same learning period with every other aspect of driving, operating a manual transmission is just one more. So you know, if you’re serious, practice.
I’ve been driving manuals exclusively for so long that I actually have the opposite problem, In the rare situations that I need to drive an auto, I have to be super careful and mindful. I’ve literally stabbed the brake before in an auto with my left foot instinctively looking for the clutch, so I have to conciously keep that foot still.
I believe they’re just cheaper and technically they allow you to get a bit more from your car, but yea apart from that, not much
In some countries there are more manual cars so I get them, but trashing on automatic is just dumb. It’s much more enjoyable (people I know told me that). Most manual drivers have muscle memory so it’s not really something that takes too much place in their mind, but I guess having to remember less could make you more focused on the road.
Disclaimer: I have an automatic driver license, and no manual driver license haha
having to remember less could make you more focused on the road.
On contrary, in my opinion. Especially in cities, where manual forces me to anticipate the next turn, light or other drivers. Automatic makes me zone out and focus on everything but driving.
ADHD?
Not that I know of.
Okay, didn’t think this would happen
At some point in time it was argued that manual allowed finer control of engine efficiency to automatic which simply shifted at certain speeds or rpms that weren’t always ideal. So properly driving a manual meant you saved gas.
I dare say in the decades since that argument began, automatic transmissions have gotten way better and reasonably as efficient as the average manual driver.
Also, when manuals were more generally common, they were generally cheaper than automatics. I don’t know if that’s true anymore, but I think the average person will have a hard time finding a manual new (consumer grade) vehicle in any given dealership in the US these days – you’d have to get it ordered.
I like automatics but I have driven manuals all my life and I prefer them especially in the winter when encountering icy roads. And I like overtaking with manuals more because I have control over the rev range and torque. If I were to live in a mild climate with lots of wide multi lane roads I’d get an auto for sure.
Or do as the little old lady next to me in a car park yesterday: push the accelerator until the little needle is at 6000 (because you need to get up at 6), put the car in reverse and slowly adjust your speed with the clutch.
Either Honda accords have a pretty good clutch, or she was on her 9th by the look of the car.
Update: it went something like this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VCNzvKvIRhk it’s in Danish, but I think it’s pretty self explanatory
When I taught my brother and sis, after they got frustrated not finding the balance or the car dieing, I just told them to give it some real gas. If they’re apprehensive about it. I told them to just floor it in neutral to show nothing is gonna happen to the motor and it just hits the limiter. So after 30 minutes of them just focusing on slowly releasing the clutch while revving high, they had it down. Another 15 minutes and they were going up to 2k rpm while working the clutch.
Yes, I had to replace the clutch after teaching them both. Small price to pay for them now being able to drive anything.
That’s how learned basically, we have a lot of free way exits that leave you going uphill at a red light so that’s how I kept from rolling back into the car sniffing my exhaust
laughs in electric drivetrain
Voltage up.
Voltage down.
Simple. No additional headache.
3 phase synchronous motors want a word with you!
Only thing I drive is OP’s mom wild with pleasure.
