It must be nice to have so much money and freedom from consequences that that’s the kind of thing that bothers you.
Or such little money and brain cells that that’s the thing that inspires you to go out and vote against your own interests
I’m absolutely convinced that there’s a certain threshold of money/power/privilege that just destroys a person’s humanity.
Nah, you’ve got it backwards. You don’t pursue that level of money/power/privilege unless you lack humanity. These guys were always shit, but power made them more effective at being shit.
Lol, I’ll never understand these people. The word “retard” was never gone. At no point was it illegal or impossible to say it, similar to any other word. The worst consequence for saying something that’s bound to piss people off is just that, pissed off people. You never faced jail time and I can’t think of anyone “canceled” for it.
They want to drop the hard R with zero blowback.
Unfortunately for them they don’t get to control how others feel about it. They’re free to say it at any time though. All the redneck cowards I live near use it all the time, when no black people are around.
Racists and cowards. Lovely.
You should hear the ways they justify it when pressed. “You don’t have to be black to be a …”, “not all black folks are one, but this one is.”, “why do you care, you’re not black.”, etc.
They’re usually one and the same. You don’t come to hate entire races of people out of logical thinking.
Ain’t no-one calling me ginger and getting away with it!
Unless they have a tinge of the ginge in their fringe.
Ginga, please!
We all know they have no souls. It’s not like they’re real people anyways.
The word “re----” was
The gusp I gasped was so intense that I broke the pearls I was clutching.
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The worst consequence for saying something that’s bound to piss people off is just that, pissed off people.
There was a real moment during which celebrity reactionaries feared The R-Word would result in the kind of deplatforming and loss of advertising patronage historically reserved for The N-Word or any of the Seven Words You Can’t Say On TV (which, curiously, did not include the N-Word at the time).
So the worst consequences wouldn’t have simply been “pissed off people”. Perhaps they’d have endured lawsuits, de-platforming, or even vigilante violence (not uncommon in religiously-tinged censorship - like with the Piss Christ display or the Draw Mohammad contest).
You never faced jail time and I can’t think of anyone “canceled” for it.
Not when the current regime is friendly to your operation, no.
But if you look at what’s happening to pro-Palestinian activists and Women’s Liberation organizations, it’s obvious that state and civil institutions have lots of tools for fucking people over based entirely on their stated political views. The real defense that Rogan, et al enjoy is having their friends in charge.
It never left. Using it still makes you look like an asshole.
All these “free speech absolutists” still don’t realize that free speech does not mean immunity from consequences of that speech from your fellow citizens. It’s almost like they just haven’t paid attention for their entire lives.
I mean, their position falls apart when you ask them what they think about the college students being oppressed for protesting.
They do not care about free speech. They care about experiencing consequences when using hate speech.
Yes. And it’s just hypocrisy all the way down: otherwise, as you say, we wouldn’t hear anything negative about the left exercising right to protest.
On top of r/conservative is a post about “the algorithm” flooding someone’s feed with news about US protests. Of course, the response wasn’t “hey great! Look at all those people exercising their right to free speech!”. Instead, it’s just bitching and claims of fake news (and no understanding that there really may be significant protests right now – just automatically, they must be false). There is no logic for people who can no longer discern facts from opinions.
You are a asshole for calling someone retarded. It is so incredibly offensive that you have to be a special kind of jerk to say it.
What about the word is offensive?
Is it just as offensive as calling someone stupid, moronic, dumb, or an idiot?
Is it that insulting someone’s intelligence is inherently offensive? Or is it just that it’s one of the most recent to become medically obsolete?
It is much worse as it implies that they are disabled due to there extremely low intelligence. The word by itself isn’t bad but you shouldn’t call someone retarded.
I believe it comes from the metal retardation diagnosis from 70 years ago or so.
Not trying to be an ass here, just genuinely curious, the words “idiot” or “moron” or “imbecile” which were also in the same diagnostic tools as “retarded” so what makes them different?
I have seen earnest attempts at starting movements to abolish these words as well, (and usually at that point a lot of people start tuning the conversation out,) so I’m wondering where people’s feelings are on the broader topic or if it’s the use of the singular word and how it’s used that bothers people the most.
I think, though I could be wrong, that when many of us were growing up, the words “idiot” and “moron” had already shifted meaning. So we learned them without the connotation of mental capacity and disabled people. But “retarded” still meant both things.
But calling someone an idiot is explicitly insulting their intelligence just the same.
i can only speak for my experience. growing up autistic, i was targeted due to my different ways of thinking and acting for bullying, using the r-word to belittle and demean me, far too many times, for hearing it used to mean ‘bad’ to feel like anything but an attack on me or those like me. when someone uses the r-word casually, it hurts, and a fully automatic system, borne of hard experience, files that person away as a probable threat. i don’t understand why people want to use the word so badly, knowing it hurts people, and knowing it’s not necessary or even all that useful of a word.
I do not care about the word or what language people use broadly, as long as they’re using their “offensive words” to punch up.
If you’re punching up, if you’re attacking power, I do NOT care and genuinely wish people would pull the gloves off more. But Joe Rogan IS power, he is so high up that anywhere he punches is down. People with great power who use language recklessly need to be knocked down for abusing the power behind their language.
So calling Trump a regard is acceptable then?
That’s not a gotcha - tbh the “left”, to the extent there is such a thing in the US, would be more likable if it used the language of the actually existing working class to communicate its criticisms of capital. Tone policing is not an effective way to organize the proletariat or to spread class consciousness
Make Hate Great Again?
Some fucking people man… Their entire identity is hatred and gargling Trump’s balls…
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Glad someone went there.
Joe Rogan also claimed Musk did a roman salute and how we are all crazy for thinking it’s a nazi salute.
A Roman Salute is literally the Nazi salute lmao.
Lets call it N word salute and see what the ratards do.
Goodness gratious, comedy is alive again.
How about it’s just in poor taste to use it and its use probably says more about the user than the target?
And, if you use it, just be prepared for someone to take exception to you using it and you might just trigger yourself an ass beating or some other adverse consequence. Kind of like playing with fire crackers or bullet ants. Maybe, just maybe, you can find a better way to insult someone that’s a little more clever and incisive and makes you look like less of an ignorant asshole.
I couldn’t agree more! South Park is funnier with the beeps for a very good reason. Creatively stepping around saying offensive things is usually way funnier and more interesting.
They can’t afford to expend the mental energy overhead required. Their mental bandwidth is constrained enough as it is.
In my book, if someone says their a fan of Joe Rogan or they quote him, they’re dead to me.
Seems fair to me. I wish I lived in a world where the only platform he’d find is a street corner where no listens to his ranting.
Sometimes my pedantry can’t help itself, but the "their"s you used should have been "they’re"s
I make an exception for using it against these snowflakes. If they’re not supposed to be tarded in the literal sense, it makes more than perfect sense to call them it. They’re doing it to themselves, and when one can choose not to wear the robes of a bigotted moron, it’s more then fair to use harsh words against them.
… and if you say we should be kind to these ilk of humanity… I ask you; where does the line for self defense begin? When someone would gladly stab you in the back, it is distinctly not time to extend them the honor of actual humanity.
Divorced middle aged dad energy
Wonder how long he would think this if everyone just started introducing him as “The Retard, Joe Rogan.” I’d bet the very millisecond it started to affect him personally, he’d be changing his tune. These fucking ghouls don’t want freedom of speech, they want the ability to police OUR speech.
Isn’t that how people already refer to him?
He deserves much worse words tbh
What did ghouls ever do to you?
It’s only when they go feral that they’re a problem.
It never went anywhere, there was just a heavily monied effort to quite literally equate it with the n-word.
In the immortal words of George Carlin “it’s bullshit, and it’s bad for you.”
This entire subject is a distraction. Stay focused on the major problems these clowns are creating, and we can all have a war of words when the fascists have been expelled from the highest eschilons of the US government.
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I also have no real dog in the fight, I grew up with the word being slung around with casual ease, and honestly it still is in most places, despite a lot of what the sensitive younger generation might be seeing in their own spaces, the culture between “average people” would seem highly problematic to most activist-minded individuals.
I have curbed my use, but I’m not going to attack people who say it to criticize power or insult someone who truly deserves it. This is one of those lefty “purity tests” that I can’t connect with fully, so I know average moderates will be wildly pushed away from this kind of mindless scolding, so I also don’t make it an issue. I literally do not care.
Now all that said, I think we need to collectively LAY WASTE to Rogan and all he stands for. His delight in being able to say a slur again is the most crass, stupid, R-word statement that he’s made yet, and he deserves to suffer as much as the people with intellectual disabilities who are going to be bullied and harmed because of his cavalier and inept attitude towards language and logic.
Guys, it’s okay to not be totally consistent. It’s okay to condemn Rogan for saying this and you aren’t going to be judged. Seriously, get on that soap box and knock this ape down a peg.
I grew up in the same culture acceptance of these terms, but I’ve grown to think of it like this. If I wouldn’t say it to the group of people it’s describing, using it to describe other people carries the same meaning.
You can’t separate the term from the group of people it’s offending. So using it as an insult reinforces it’s meaning and acknowledging why it’s offensive. So it’s equally wrong.
It’s the same reason I don’t say the n-word or why I wouldn’t use the derogatory terms used for trans people even in a joke.
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The only way I’d be ok with Rogan using that term is if he publicly discloses the results of an IQ test and he got sub 70…
And even then, it would only be ok if he was self identifying as that label, not calling anyone he can’t understand that.
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I don’t know where we got this idea that “retarded” was as vile and pernicious as The Hard R, to the point people don’t want to repeat it. Nobody with intellectual disabilities I’ve heard from has such a visceral reaction to it, anecdotal as that is. The outrage seems completely invented and it gained a momentum of its own.
“Idiot” was also a medical term for cognitive disability, should that go away too?
99% of the time I hear it used, it’s interchangeable with “stupid” or “idiot” and not derogatory towards literal disability.
I have autism and the word is deeply offensive to me. For all of my young life, it was used as a cudgel to single me out and beat me into social submission. It was used to remind me of my place in the social hierarchy (lower than non-retards, obviously) and as a reason for excluding me or treating me differently from everyone else. It’s just as anecdotal as anything else, but I have many neurodivergent friends and family members with similar histories with the word.
Not seeing the problem with something does not mean there isn’t a problem. In this case, it just means that the problem is not particularly relevant to your own life.
And I don’t know why “idiot” doesn’t have the same sting or modern context around it, but despite its historical use, it simply doesn’t hit the same. I guess it could be that it’s not used so explicitly to identify neurodivegence, so much as it is a way of saying someone didn’t/doesn’t think things through, whereas using “retard” is more like insulting someone’s genetic pull. One label can be unlearned, while the other is a life-sentence. Once retarded; forever a retard.
If the n-word was used to describe people acting stupid would you feel comfortable with that? What if no black people complained about it? Would that make it okay? The degree of severity is clearly different because of the historical context, but it is basically the same thing for a different community. A community that, oftentimes, has far less ability to advocate for themselves and far less ability to mobilize en masse. It’s a word that inherently punches down, and using it does shape the perception of our community as well as just hurt our feelings because we are people that can feel and understand when we are being treated differently.
My b for that rant. It’s just fucked up that people act like getting punched in the kidney doesn’t hurt just because they’ve never been punched in the kidney before. That’s not how it works, and if there was a specific word for denigrating you (“you” as in whoever is reading this tbc) I’m sure many people like you would not like being reminded of what negative bullshit the world at large assumes about them based on something they had no control over. Shit fucking sucks, fullstop.
The r word is definitely not used exclusively to identify neurodivergent or disabled people.
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TBH kinda with you here, is it just the relatively recent proximity of the use of the word to refer those with intellectual disabilities?
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I actually looked this up and found a timeline, which shows the use is much more recent in medical contexts than I thought, Rosa’s Law 2010 is where it’s use was superceded in federal usage.
I honestly thought it was a kinda 50s to 70s kinda deal, not 70s - 2010; this does change my perspective and opinion a little bit, and I do feel a bit more sympathy as of how it’s still very much within living memory for some.
At the same time, I wonder whether those who take issue with it being used casually (not in reference to intellectual disability), take the same issue with the use of idiot, moron or imbecile, as retarded was used because those terms became common place and slang, not exclusively medical words.
I think that once the cat is out of the bag, (and the fact that both the medical society, and general society has moved past a single catch all term for intellectual disability) you can’t really keep a word from developing it’s own life.
I will note, my opinion doesn’t hold any real weight here, as I’m the UK we never had AFAIK a diagnosis of “Mental retardation”
And MAGA as a whole are retarded.
The biggest retards of all
Very bigly.
The biggest retards of all, people call me and they say “can you believe how many big retards we have?” And I say “no,” I mean it folks, you are the biggest retards of all, believe me. My uncle was nuclear it’s all computer"
I am retarded and I agree. The word has never left my vocabulary. People have been calling me retarded as long as I can remember. I’ve got the pass and I give all of you the pass. It’s just word. People have called me far worse and many of my closest friends and family who would take a bullet for me call me retarded all the time. Just like I call all of them retarded whenever they do or say something retarded.
In the wise words of the Black Eyed Peas: “let’s get retarded in here.”
You can’t say retard anymore. You have to say autistic. Somehow that’s okay now.
Using autistic as an insult, the same way Joe Rogan wants to use the aforementioned slur, is absolutely not okay.
I see the humor and the word being used as such on videos all over with the comments being positive. It’s not what I do, it’s what I see.
I mean, using it as an uninformed general insult is absolutely bigotry, but 99% of the time when I hear it used as a pejorative against specific behavior, it’s always used for behavior that is… well… kinda’ autistic by definition. Like the behavior would be cited by a psych as evidence for being autistic.
Does that make it OK to use for every concerning behavior? Certainly not. Though in my experience it’s used more as a direct clue that someone is behaving very abnormally and may want to introspect.
… Though that said, I don’t hang out with teenagers or immature twats, so maybe they’re slinging it around like 2000’s teenagers slung around “gay” as an insult…
Autistic isn’t really a general purpose slur tho. It’s not even really an slur. That shit is specialized use only.
I mean, i never really stopped calling people like Rogan and Trump retarded… But calling it a great cultural victory, is just… Retarded.
Rogan really being a gay retard here
Honestly it was the politically correct word in the 80s, although it was simultaneously used as a slur. A lot of those people are still alive and just hate having to constantly change to new language.
Every time we come up with a technical term to describe people with medical impairments to their intelligence, people begin using it as an insult.
I guess here’s hoping “intellectually disabled” doesn’t catch on (hopefully too wordy).
I knew a guy who used “delayed” as an insult after HR told him to stop calling people retards. It offended people just as much but wasn’t against the rules.
People will find a way.
There’s a name for it- euphemism treadmill
