German political leaders have reacted with alarm to U.S. President Donald Trump’s bombshell announcement that his administration will conduct peace negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin over the head of European leaders.

“To be clear, peace must last over the long term. It must secure Ukraine’s sovereignty,” said German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Thursday. “That is why we will never support a dictated peace. Nor will we accept any solution that leads to a decoupling of European and American security. Only one person would benefit from that. President Putin.”

Scholz, whose Social Democratic Party (SPD) is in third place according to polls ahead of a Feb. 23 national election, called for more spending on Germany’s defense and military aid for Ukraine, and urged conservatives to relax the country’s strict spending rules — a theme he has touched on repeatedly during the election campaign — in order to do so.

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  • @MyOpinion@lemm.ee
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    14 months ago

    This time Germany may need to save the world from America. Please don’t fall like we did.

    • @froh42@lemmy.world
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      We’ll have an election in a few days here in Germany. And we’re already stumbling. The polls don’t look wo good.

      • @Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world
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        04 months ago

        Hopefully you have much more robust fraud and manipulation systems of review than the us. Musk very likely compromised the systems and all investigations are stopped in their tracks

        • @barsoap@lemm.ee
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          04 months ago

          Don’t worry on that angle we’re using paper ballots, always have, always will, as the constitutional court decided that it must be possible for a voter with basic education and no specialised knowledge to ascertain for themselves that the vote is kosher. The constitutional court recently got reinforced, too. Not to mention that the federal level has preciously little power if the states really decided to tell it to fuck off. Also, as a Nazi you shouldn’t trust a military that names bases after Stauffenberg.

            • @barsoap@lemm.ee
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              Yes. You can observe the whole vote, keeping an eye on the ballot box all the time until it is emptied on a big table, where it is sorted, and once sorted things get counted, there’s a whole procedure to minimise confusion and with that errors, double counts etc. Unless a magician comes along and teleports your ballot out of the box you can then be sure that it has been counted.

              What you can’t do is prove to anyone that you voted a certain way and that’s a good thing.

  • Random_Character_A
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    I don’t get. What’s Trumps bargaining chip. If Ukraine and Europe doesn’t approve their peace plan, what is his leverage? Stop supporting Ukraine? He and his goons have already said that it will eventually happen.

    • @Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
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      04 months ago

      He is Putin’s stooge. Trump LOVES dictators and billionaires, because he wants to be, or be seen as, both of those things. You might ask why the Israelis preferred Trump over Biden/Kamala even though the latter were as much supportive of Israel as Trump is. The reason is that Trump’s rhetoric is stronger and more direct, and on top of that, he is a VERY easily manipulatible bitch despite his reputation and personal belief that he is uncontrollable. The other elites know this, and this is why he is popular with them even if he is an absolute disaster for most people.

      • Random_Character_A
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        14 months ago

        So he just wants to go tickle Putins balls. Unless he’s there trying to sell Europe and NATO.

  • @xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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    04 months ago

    Any chance yall can turn back on your reactors so you can actually be energy independent again?

    We’ve got tons of uranium over in Canada and you’re welcome to it.

    • @Sniatch@feddit.org
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      04 months ago

      Germany does not need reactors to be independent. Where did you get this weird information from.

      • @xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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        04 months ago

        From Swedes that are paying noticeably higher energy prices because the German grid went from a net exporter to a mixed grid that can have a surplus when winds are high but usually needs to burn gas that’s imported indirectly from Russia when it’s low driving up energy prices in nearby regions.

        Germans love to talk about how they never needed Nuclear power and there seems to be an irrational hatred of an incredibly clean form of power but it’s clearly a problem:

        https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/swedish-minister-open-to-new-measures-to-tackle-energy-crisis-blames-german-nuclear-phase-out/

        • @FooBarrington@lemmy.world
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          04 months ago

          It’s not hatred, it’s fear. Many Germans lived through the fallout of Chernobyl. You might still say it’s irrational, but it’s not “hatred” and it’s not unfounded.

          I don’t get this weird obsession with labelling everything “hate”, even if it’s driven by other simple emotions.

              • @msage@programming.dev
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                Arguing about Chernobyl is about the dumbest thing to do.

                It was very old reactor, no other like that is in Germany, therefore it’s unfounded.

                • @FooBarrington@lemmy.world
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                  04 months ago

                  No, fear doesn’t work like that. Just because something is unlikely doesn’t mean it can’t happen, and fear tends to be about just those things.

                  Again, you can call it irrational, but it is objectively not unfounded. There is a foundation, even if it’s unlikely. You don’t get to change the meaning of the word “unfounded” just because you think something isn’t likely to happen.

    • jrs100000
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      04 months ago

      Everyone is calm because any analyst worth the name should have seen this coming since November, and its far too late to stop at this point.

      I dont know why Europe didnt start rearming eight years ago, but now they are going to suffer for that oversight.

          • The Quuuuuill
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            04 months ago

            everyone shoulda been gearing up to defend the world from russian imperialism ever since it became clear putin was dictator for life in 2007 or 8. there have been clear and obvious signs this was coming for nearly two decades now and yet all our leaders are somehow shocked, appalled, and on their backfoot. like where y’all been? putin became dictator for life, invaded Crimea, anexed it, fucked around in everyone else’s politics giving us donnie dickhead, donnie dickhead extorted Ukraine, them and all their authoritarian buddies bungled (perhaps purposefully) flattening the curce, putin invaded Ukraine wholesale seeking to wipe it off the map, put even more money into the streets to get donnie dickhead back, and now we’re here. with people somehow surprised by this latest step in russia’s path along aleksander dugin’s foundations of geopolitics. how are any of these leaders surprised? its all laid out in foundations of geopolitics, project russia, and project 2025. i’m just some farm country idiot in the hills of appalachia, but somehow i can see all this and these world leaders can’t?

            • @MaDMaX99@lemmy.zip
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              04 months ago

              And who’s going to defend the world from American imperialism?? (42 invasions since the end of WW2, 5 invasions since 2000, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Greenland…)

              We Europeans have an enemy and that enemy is usa (it’s always been)

              • The Quuuuuill
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                24 months ago

                all imperialism is a threat to everyone everywhere, be it russian, american, or chinese