• @kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
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      Yeah… it can be interpreted that way. But even as a feminist myself, it is a dumb performative sort of protest. Paternal surnames are the least important fixtures of our patriarchal society, and, unless it was created wholecloth, there are no surnames that aren’t patriarchal historically, as the meme points out.

        • @surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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          Good point! But I also never saw it. Just know it from the comics and the news.

          Also, the amount of people who don’t GET homeowner is scary…

            • @spujb@lemmy.cafe
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              16 months ago

              !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world in particular has a weird propensity to anti-feminism that i don’t see elsewhere. i’ll get about 60% downvotes on this comment just as everywhere else in this thread just for saying so lol

              something about the old school “relax librul it’s called dark humor” mindset is specially present here

        • @spujb@lemmy.cafe
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          this lol. i would not be in this comment section if OP wasn’t obviously taking the side of homelander here. if there was ever satire in the post it was lost as soon as OP got their hands on it.

      • @tomi000@lemmy.world
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        Not so sure. It may just as well be that OP thinks Homelander is the cool guy and the meme is meant unironically. Their comments here suggest that and their posts are mostly comprised of golf and borderline sexist / boomer jokes

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      316 months ago

      A coworker of mine did this. He and his new wife took parts of their last names and blended them together to create a unique new last name for both of them.

    • esa
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      A lot of last names here are frozen patronyms (e.g. at some point some dude named Hans had kids; now there are lots of people calling themselves his son, Hansen) or place names. I kinda like the place name bit: Just give kids last names to a place they have a connection to. Where they were born or conceived or something.

              • @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                Sorry, but unfortunately I got interested and followed your link:

                There is a popular legend that “hooker” as a slang term for a prostitute is derived from his last name[26] because of parties and a lack of military discipline at his headquarters near the Murder Bay district of Washington, DC. Some versions of the legend claim that the band of prostitutes that followed his division was derisively referred to as “General Hooker’s Army” or “Hooker’s Brigade”.[27] However, the term “hooker” was used in print as early as 1845, years before Hooker was a public figure,[28] and is likely derived from the concentration of prostitutes around the shipyards and ferry terminal of the Corlear’s Hook area of Manhattan in the early to middle 19th century, who came to be referred to as “hookers”.

                • lack of military discipline at his headquarters near the Murder Bay district

                  To be fair, he could probably have chosen a better place to set up…

      • @Soup@lemmy.world
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        “London”: Not too bad, works ok.

        “Climax”: …

        “Tallahassee”: Pretty frickin’ awesome as a nickname but not sure formally.

        “Syracuse”: I syr-acuse that of sounding dumb.

        But regardless, besides all the “Von” or “De” or whatever names I’m willing to bet that modified or old spelling last names based on places are totally a thing that we also just decided to stop doing.

        • @vzq@lemmy.world
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          And we do! The most common name in the Netherlands translates to “the Frisian”.

      • @Mickey7@lemmy.worldOP
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        Certainly in the long past your last name was probably derived from the town or area that you lived in. I don’t think it would work today.

    • @CaptPretentious@lemmy.world
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      Terrible idea. People clearly already struggling at naming kids. Coming up with a family name will be endless letters making the wrong sound, random sections being ‘silent’, so many puns or references to things, corporate advertising “oh it’s the X.com family!”… Terrible, just terrible.

    • @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social
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      My wife and I actually did this, sort of. Not a completely new name, but we took her grandmother’s name, rather than either of ours. Or, her great grandfather’s name, I suppose.

    • @Kitathalla@lemy.lol
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      The only reason I wouldn’t want to take my partner’s name, or have the partner take mine, is the same reason I wouldn’t want to blend. It’s just a headache to make sure everything is changed. It’s why you see a lot of people who published research before their marriage continue to publish under the same name even if they changed their name. It’s a major hassle.

      • @LesserAbe@lemmy.world
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        Sure it’s a headache. So why does the woman have to do it? I think either keep your names as is or both people change.

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          I think either keep your names as is

          Uh… that was exactly what I said…

          So why does the woman have to do it?

          And that was exactly what I was saying I wouldn’t do…

        • @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
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          My wife was made fun of for her last name until she was like 25 (her social group sucked), so she was delighted to changed her name when I asked her if we were going to use mine or hers. I still don’t entirely mind changing mine or keeping it: I’d gotten a few public works built around town and one of them was named after me, and if I took her name the chances of getting them to change the name of that shelter were fuck all. You can only be the center of the universe for so long. So it just kind of worked out for both of us.

    • @lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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      No thanks. I don’t care what my hypothetical spouse wants to do with their last name but I’m not changing mine. Sounds like a pain in the ass.

    • @dingus@lemmy.world
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      Yeah I’ve always thought it was weird that women are supposed to give up their identity to a man to be married. I’m not really sure why hyphenated names aren’t as popular in the western world or why people don’t occasionally chose to take the woman’s name. I know that women don’t have to change their names, but then often you’ll have the kids as the same name as the father anyway but not the mother. So I’ve heard many women say that they did it so their kids would share their last name.

      Hell, I don’t even like my father. But my name is who I am and I like it.

      • @Lauchmelder@feddit.org
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        with hyphenated names: what would the children do then? you can’t keep adding more and more names like that (both practically and legally in some cases). serious question because I’ve also thought about that

        • @dingus@lemmy.world
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          I think it varies with culture, but from my understanding, usually they take the first name of the two hyphens for their own marriage.

          So you have John Doe and Jane Smith. They hyphenate their names as Doe-Smith and the children do as well.

          Say they have a daughter Sally Doe-Smith who meets Tim Johnson-Star. So they marry and hyphenate their names as Johnson-Doe. Both Smith and Star get dropped.

          Yes, in examples like this, it still ends up as getting rid of the maternal aspect of the lineage in the very end…but the point is still that both parties are keeping part of and changing another part of their names. It’s not an all or nothing total switch of identity. The lineage is male, but the here and now is an equal compromise of identity.

      • @countrypunk@slrpnk.net
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        The way that I’m gonna do it is whoever has the coolest/most unique last name is the one whose name is adopted. If they’re both equally cool, then hyphenated it is.

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns]
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        It is weird because we as a civilization believe women are persons and corporations are not. And sooner or later, molotovs will be theown in support of this notion, since silence is being interpreted as consent.

        Whoops. That was my outside voice.🪀🪀💣🪀

          • Uriel238 [all pronouns]
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            The reason women take their husband’s name is because they’re property, and rights to their person transfers from their father to their husband.

            That’s it.

            And right now (at least in the States, maybe in some parts of Europe) there are large far-right movements trying to return society to those days.

            Find your crew or your fam, and have them give you your given name. Then choose your surname. Break free.

      • @lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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        How do hyphenated names work after the next generation? Seems like that would get out of hand quickly when people with hyphenated last names start having kids with each other.

        • @dingus@lemmy.world
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          I would think it would be just as weird to collectively switch to matronymic last names as a society. It would make more sense to me if couples just decided which name they liked better and went with that, be it coming from the man or woman. So a more even split of that sort of pattern is what I mean.

    • @daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      On Spain we have two last names, one for the father other for the mother.

      And while before the father’s was always the first, since many years couples of newborn babies can choose the order of the surnames.

    • @ameancow@lemmy.world
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      Last names are inherently patriarchal

      They’re worse, they’re inherently capitalistic. They were made to promote someone’s business or trade in the days just after the Black Plague when skilled workers were highly sought-after.

      If you live in America or Europe, your last name is an advertisement. That’s all they’ve ever been.

    • Kichae
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      626 months ago

      No one is off-put by the realization. Just the attitude the post represents.

          • @Mickey7@lemmy.worldOP
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            Scratching my head trying to figure out how an undeniale fact is somehow a condemnation of women.

            • @shneancy@lemmy.world
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              pointing out how someone’s mother’s last name is just their grandfather’s last name ignores the point the person was trying to make in favour of going “well akschually”.

              a woman who feels more connected with her mother and prefers her last name over her father’s last name has made that decision based on her emotions associated with her family relationships. And it was a choice she had to make against the default way surnames are given.

              people rarely do things like going through lengthy legal processes to get the necessary paperwork to change your last name for shit and giggles. Instead of “well askchanelyling” people’s choices, think a bit on why they made that particular choice, or you could also ask them

              • @kemsat@lemmy.world
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                Yup. She’s particularly bad, imo, because she keeps validating the crazy guy. She takes a bunch of drugs so she can lactate, because Homelander likes breastfeeding because he killed his mom during birth.

    • @Soup@lemmy.world
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      It’s more that it’s kinda missing the point. Everything is something else if you try hard enough but in this case the intention behind it is to honour the father instead of the mother and that’s still working fine.

  • @RBWells@lemmy.world
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    Yeah, my mom said she didn’t care about taking my dad’s last name, that it didn’t matter since, in her words “women don’t have last names anyway” they are just a way of tracing men’s family lines.

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    If you didn’t know, Spanish people have two names: the first name of their father and the first name of their mother.

    Since these names are their grandfathers names, here’s a better proposal : the first name of your father and the second name of your mother. In that case, your first name corresponds to a bloodline of men and your second name to a bloodline of women… Unless their was a same-sex couple in your family, obviously.

    Bonus point, since you get your Y chromosome (if you have one) from your biological father and your mitochondrial DNA from your biological mother, your names correspond to your actual DNA… Unless you’re adopted or illegitimate, obviously.

    • @Railcar8095@lemm.ee
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      You can actually chose to have them reverted (mother first, father second). Also, the wife does not take the husband’s surname.

  • I know this is a shitposting community but these are, every goddamn one of them, the dumbest possible takes you could have opened a new year with.

    • @ameancow@lemmy.world
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      16 months ago

      A quarter century into the new millenium and our general intelligence level hasn’t budged since the ice age.

    • @ameancow@lemmy.world
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      Reminder that surnames didn’t exist before the middle ages, you just had a singular name that people shouted to get your attention. Since you lived in a community of several dozen people, you didn’t need to do much to differentiate yourself from the other “John” in your town because everyone knows each other. You lived and died just as “John” and would be remembered by your kids for a generation if you were lucky. There was no need to keep track of genealogy, you were a pair of hands and legs, you were supposed to get out there and plow that field and that’s all your baron or lord cared about.

      But somewhere after the black plague ravaged Europe and we lost a sizeable chunk of the human population, suddenly workers became in high-demand. Industrialist lords and landowners suddenly didn’t have people smithing their horse shoes or making their bread, so they had to go poach people from far away towns and suddenly workers had power and options. As a way to get noticed for your family’s tradeskill, you would have been wise to advertise this to wealthy employers, the best way was to attach your trade to your name. You were now John Baker to differentiate yourself from John the Drunkard if anyone came looking to hire someone who could cook bread.

      So surnames are advertising. It’s all it’s ever been. There’s nothing ancient and special about your name, it was just how your ancestors tried to make a buck.

  • @spujb@lemmy.cafe
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    with no ill will for you, OP, genuinely fuck this boomer ass “joke”

    a woman’s name is her name. she lives with it for 1 lifetime, absolutely no longer than her grandfather does. “male” is not somehow the default human identity. stop trying to enforce that standard.

  • Guy Ingonito
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    Notice they didn’t use ‘maiden name’ because then the joke falls apart