PHOENIX (AP) – The 2024 presidential election is drawing an unusually robust field of independent, third party and long shot candidates hoping to capitalize on Americans’ ambivalence and frustration over a likely rematch between Democrat Joe Biden and Republican Donald Trump.
Don’t vote for a third party. That’s just voting for Trump with extra steps.
I think a lot of people thinking about voting third party are going to need reasons TO vote for someone, not reasons to not vote for the other guy. Telling them “it’s just voting for Trump” isn’t going to convince them.
And no, I’m not planning on voting third party. But finger-wagging won’t convince anyone already looking elsewhere.
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I haven’t seen Dark Brandon in a while. Like, months.
I vote FOR Dark Brandon. I’ll give Biden my vote over Trump. Those are different things, even if the objective measure looks the same.
I’d like to vote for DB and get him.
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It’s been a few days so this thread should largely be inert.
I’m not sure who you were replying to because it wasn’t me.
I said nothing about Israel. I said I’d give him my vote. Your tone was dismissive to someone who wrote what you wanted to read, but I did not say or imply.
Not interested in a flame war, only discussion. If you respond with hostility or more bad faith, you’ll get the last word - I’ll not reply.
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I used a rhetorical device to easily distinguish what excites me about him being president versus what’s meh. It worked and works.
Most people know they aren’t going to see a DB meme for the Israel topic *that you introduced from… Somewhere? *
He’s chalked up wins and I know he’ll end up with L’s. But I prefer seeing him using his political capital on the economy, green energy, trust busting, courts… The virtuous things Roosevelts did.
You keep implying I said something I didn’t and your post history is argumentative. Smart, but too many elbows. This will be my last reply.
In other words lots of people have an incredibly childish attitude about voting and are completely prepared to throw a little tantrum in the voting booth even if it means fascists get to take over the whole federal government. I’m becoming pretty convinced that people like that are just incapable of rational decision making.
How about this… don’t take a guy who quietly supports genocide, whose been part of politics longer than I’ve been alive- in fact he’s been a senator for more than twice as long as I’ve been a voter- and make him the canidate.
Because, under your argument, that’s just giving voted to trump!!!
“Vote blue no matter who” is an argument that presupposes a good canidate is in office. Biden is not a good candidate; and the dems need to find somebody else to run him.
We saw the same problem with Hilary. Hilary was not a good canidate and in no way was actually capable of winning. You made the same arguments then as now.
You know Biden is going to lose votes. Why the fuck are you unwilling to consider someone else?
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Hopefully enough others will vote anyway out of a sense of duty, but non-enthusiastic energy for a candidate will keep some people from going out to vote at all. That is actually a third default choice that takes no energy to do.
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I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. If you told me to swim through a pit of jellyfish to keep Trump away from the White House, I would swim through the fucking jellyfish.
Others may not, and Biden may lose without them.
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Ok, just expect the same thing that worked for you to work for everyone.
Biden is a good candidate. He hasn’t been impeached yet, unlike his competitor during this same time in his term; he hasn’t started a coup on his own country, and the fact that he’s experienced at the job he’s applying to is actually a good thing (displayed by the passing of both the CHIPs act and the IRA despite not having complete control of congress). Hilary was actually a significantly better candidate than Trump(very obvious in hindsight for many), but Trump had the advantage of Russian support and the fact that it was uncertain how he would act as president. Once voters found out how Trump is as a president, they turned away from him in droves as evidenced by the fact that he’s the first president to lose reelection in 20 years, and Republicans have lost every election since Trump was voted in.
Biden ain’t perfect, but man he’s a huge upgrade compared to Trump.
Yeah he’s better than a literal facist who is currently making Nazi speeches and has promised to jail all his political opponents. What an incredibly high bar for Biden to stumble over!
Having your party position be “Bite your tongue and vote for our shit candidate to prevent the end of democracy” is not a winning position. It’s a terrible strategy guaranteed to lead to less voter turnout.
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the proof that biden isnt the guy isnt exactly his age, but its his age. its that he apparently lacks the awareness required to understand he needs to fucking retire already… that these ancient political monoliths need to go.
that lack of awareness is whhy he personally is not fit to be president.
then theres the whole reality of ‘democrats are conservatives’ now, so actual democratic voters have to hold their nose and vote non-fascist while the DNC pretends the party is still relevant to the common man somehow.
its been frustrating to watch for decades democrats fumble the ball at literally every play
Democrats have been winning important recent elections, no?
Im not supporting this political system anymore. Im voting for whoever is promising ranked choice voting, overturning citizens united, outlawing lobbying, and outlawing all elected officials from investing.
Primaries? Sure. In the general if you do that you are essentially voting for Trump and/or fascism. Third parties are spoilers 100% of the time until they can actually win. And none of them can right now.
Gee you know what would really help with that fucked up situation? Ranked choice voting.
Yeah no shit. The chance to get that from Republicans is somewhere below -1, close to hell probably.
Republicans or democrats. But yall will defend them and the two party system to the death
Our current system is shit… but it’s our system.
Like a diabetic munching on candy. “I shouldnt, but its what im doin”
You sound like a child throwing a fit because you didn’t get the Christmas present that was on your list to Santa.
Well then join a union and start organizing. That is an even better way to influence politics.
Alright since voting doesnt matter im gonna go ahead and vote for who i want
