“There is no way to prevent this” says only country where this happens regularly.
“If only she had a gun, this would have been prevented.”
Their answer is always ‘more guns will solve this’.
450+ million guns, you’re not stopping gang violence like this which is the mass majority of all of our gun crime, by banning guns from lawful citizens. Dudes like this are already barred. Why don’t you ask, why out system let him out.
This has been proven to be untrue by other countries who have done the same in the past.
No it hasn’t, no one in the history of the world has had this many firearms in civilian hands. Even when Australia took the firearms, only 60% turned in their 1mil total firearms in civ hands.
And gun deaths have dropped enormously ever since.
Australia never had a firearm problem to begin with. This is pants on head stupid take. If you have 100 deaths from firearms a year and removing access to the already small amount in civ hands and gun deaths drop to 50… everyone now says firearms removed from people dropped by 50% when it was already so low it was a rounding error to begin with.
No, we just had the largest massacre of private citizens by a single shooter in recorded history, (still hasn’t been beaten despite how often Americans try, they must really hate us being better than them at something involving guns), and numerous others before it, and none after it. But tell me again how you know nothing about Australia, it’s history, or gun control.
Uhh…no you didn’t, but ok.
You also did not have high violence involving firearms prior to port author. They also were already trending down prior to the 97 ban and forced confiscation.
https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi269
Suicides, just like the USA, make up the majority of your firearm deaths. You’re homicides via firearms are a joke per year, our gangs alone do that in a month in a single city.
But yes, I’m the one who knows nothing about Australia and it’s gun history…lol sounds like you need to study your own history before nosing into ours.
I might buy this argument if other countries also had the same problem. But the fact is that stricter gun laws do work, and the U.S. is very unique in having this issue thanks to our insistence on the 2nd ammendment being infallible.
That’s stupid. If it were illegal to carry guns around, far fewer crooks would carry guns. They’d be harder to get and they’d have to balance the risk of being caught with a gun.
Lol what??? It’s already illegal for criminals to carry. That’s why they do it, they’re criminals. We now have more states with CC than ever before, and we actually have lower crime now than we did back in the 70/80s when CC wasn’t allowed.
How about we just get rid of “private sale” exceptions to background checks in states like Tennessee to slow the tide of guns flowing into the black market?
In Tennessee, one has to buy liquor from the government, but can buy a gun (including semi-auto rifles) from a random person in a parking lot. No questions asked.
I know a person who actually obtained a handgun this way. In a parking lot of a bar on Florida, from a seller who was in his lunch break as an electrician… I’ll let those details sink in for anyone safety oriented.
O noooo, a bar parking lot…the humanity…did this someone you know go on to become a serial killer? Or do you still know them and they’re a normal person.
Most firearms are semi-auto… what’s your point? You clearly don’t know much about firearms with a statement like that.
You can do this in pretty much every state as well. Private sales are legal basically in the entire USA.
I’m so tired of this brain dead take. The amount of guns on the street and gang violence is directly related to how easy it is to aquire them.
You can also ask why there are so many guns freely floating around that someone like this was capable of obtaining one despite being barred.
Maybe if someone is so dangerous that they are barred from owning a gun they belong in a cage…
gang violence like this which is the mass majority of all of our gun crime
Source?
The most recent stats I could find for gang-related deaths (gun or not) was 2012, when there were 2,363 reported out of a national total of 12,765 homicides.
That is known gang violence, where police %100 know it’s gang related. If they do not know the source, they label it as unknown. The estimate is around 80-85% are gang and drug related violence. This isn’t some unknown thing.
Marx has the answer. Change material conditions, so there is less crime, thus less need for prisons. But no one wants to read.
You mean no one wants a tankie shithole for a country…
Yes, no one wants to read. This “accident” didn’t happen in a Marxist-Leninist country.
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You don’t know what you are talking about. It’s not a good look
No I absolutely do know what I’m talking about, but the lot of you all don’t have a clue. You sit in your white privilege ivory towers and think only the police should have a monopoly on force…and at the same time wanting to defund them as well. You make no sense.
Says man from only country where this happens regularly.
Plenty of other countries haven’t banned guns from lawful citizens and dont have this problem.
Ok, man from perfect country. How would you personally solve this problem of gun violence? Would you form a posse and roundup all of the crazed lunatics out there who would dare to try and protect their families with a firearm? Would you raid the houses of anyone who may or may not have owned a gun in the past and search under the floorboards?
Seriously I want to know. How would you help all of these mentally ill people who seem to think that guns are toys, or just deeply want to harm other people?
You don’t need me to tell you that. You wouldn’t believe me anyway. There are plenty of professionals who have studied and acquired factual data of how other “perfect countries” do it and the differences. From the differences the solutions become very clear.
It’s about restricting access, not banning. There’s no one size fits all solution because nothing is perfect so you pick your poison. Find a country where this doesn’t happen every day (so any developed country), look a the way they do things and pick the one you prefer to support - they all have upsides and downsides. What you have isn’t working though.
Every country that has basically an effective ban, also has safety nets for the people, doesn’t have a gang problem like we do, and focuses on education and not locking everyone up. They also never had 450+ million firearms in civilian hands. So please share with the class how you think you could pull it off without having all those safety nets in place.
How about having all those safety nets in place and regulated guns? Just an idea…
I’m fine with adding in the safety nets, they’ll do 100xs more than any regulation you put in place will do. I’m not ok giving over a monopoly on force to people like the current Republicans. Why any of you think that’s a good idea is just insane.
Happens all the time in other nations.
Sure it does. In Yemen, Venezuela, El Salador, Serbia etc… you mean?
Sorry, I meant developed nations
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Yeah, you can google it if you want to see for yourself.
The other guy did and came back with a good comment.
I think he meant that you made an unsubstantiated claim and left it to others to do the work to discredit.
No they didn’t.
lol when was the last time a stray bullet randomly hit someone in any other developed country?
If only she had a gun she could have protected herself!
Don’t give them ideas…
Oh they already have them!
And they suck and are stupid. Hate to sound crazy, but I’m tired of their fight fire with fire rhetoric. I just want them to realize how inept they sound.
How in the FUCK does that guy get access to guns? Is there literally no check and balances for buying a gun in the states? WTF
What a challenging character: He had a brain injury in infancy, functions at a kindergarten level, and can’t be tried due to incompetence, but he apparently drives and repeatedly pulls straps.
Thank God for American logic and lobbying, we avoided punishing our loyal gun owners
A Nashville college student died a day after she was shot in the head allegedly by a man authorities said had previously been released for incompetence to stand trial in a separate shooting
The guy probably has an IQ of 15. Which also correlates with the average IQ of people who are attracted to shooting guns at cars outside near a park. We can only walk as fast as society’s slowest person..
I recommend watching part 1 and 2
no there are not. we have more guns than people, and americans literally have guns just lying around their houses. because we allow it. because 'merica.
so yeah, when we cut all our public mental healthcare in the 80s, and put all those crazy people back on the streets, yes they have access to weapons.
Just commenting on checks and balances, there generally aren’t any. It’s a constitutional right to have guns in the USA, so most laws that would enforce any kind of restrictions on ownership or access to firearms, are usually deemed unconstitutional and thrown out.
There are entire groups actively working to ensure everyone has fair and unrestricted access to guns, most notably the NRA. Those groups are unapologetic about what they do and they’ve been very successful in maintaining the status quo for gun access.
IMO as long as the right to bear arms stays enshrined in the US Constitution, this will not change.
I’m not an American and I’m very thankful for that because of things like this, however, my life is very affected by what happens there. As a result, I’m pretty well versed on their country. At times, I know the US laws better than my own countries laws.
Unfortunately it has recently changed …. For the worst.
Previously there were restrictions on carrying and ownership in many states. Those laws were deemed legal because they weren’t bans but limited restrictions . It was enough to make a difference and most such states gad had noticeably lower firearm violence. So we even proved within the US that such laws worked.
Then the Trump Supreme Court struck down most of them
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That’s what happens when people can do private sales without any checks 👍 FREEDOM MOTHERFUCKER!
He would still pass a background check because he wasn’t fucking prosecuted.
Authorities said he and another man allegedly shot at a woman while she was driving with her two children. At least two bullets hit the vehicle. The charges were ultimately dismissed earlier this year and Taylor was released after court-appointed doctors testified that he was incompetent to stand trial. Under federal and state law, mentally incompetent defendants cannot be prosecuted.
Thank goodness mentally incompetent people can still purchase and own firearms, wouldn’t feel like freedom any other way.
Not legally.
The Gun Control Act (GCA), codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms or ammunition, to include any person:
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who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
But mentally incompetent people can hold guns? Wonderful
Not legally.
The Gun Control Act (GCA), codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms or ammunition, to include any person:
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who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;Yeah but that makes it harder for people to actually address the fact that high rates of firearm ownership is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for high rates of homicide, which has consistently been correlated with a lack of socioeconomic mobility among young adult men across societies and times. But that’s hard, so instead we just sarcastically post “FREEDOM” and “now is not the time to address guns” while, ironically, never actually doing the difficult but necessary work of discussing the underlying structural economic conditions and caste dynamics which lead to this problem. Because that’s hard.
High rates of gun ownership is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for high rates of homicide. “Necessary” would imply that high homicide rate is flat out impossible without high gun ownership, which is clearly not true.
Mentally incompetent Americans. Mentally incompetent people in civilized countries usually don’t even come close to guns.
Wouldn’t his status as being mentally incompetent come up somewhere? I’m not from the USA and hate guns so I don’t know all the details about these background checks.
In some of our states, a “background check” is when the examiner looks up from his desk. If you’re blocking the background, he checks the “good to own a firearm” box.
Yeah except the part where it is federal law that all FFL dealers have to run an FBI NICSs check on all gun sales in every state because that is a federal law.
I’m not sure whether anyone maintains a database of that information.
The alternative is that you have to do paperwork every time you buy or sell a gun, which is actually worse than innocent people dying
The only paperwork I need is the one written by a bunch of old white dudes who owned slaves and barely washed 😎
Looks like someone didn’t find that funny 😂
Freedom to kill innocent people, freedom to die randomly by flying bullets.
Can’t have one without the other (contrary to what ammosexuals believe)
The cost of freedom i guess
Being found incompetent generally removes your right to have a gun. Why did he have a gun? Why wasn’t it taken away?
If the laws we have aren’t enforced, then passing more laws isn’t going to help.
Most guns used in crimes are stolen, bought on the street, taken from a relative, etc.
So it’s probably pretty easy to get a gun in the circles this guy moved in.
That’s usually the case. Which means passing yet more laws without enforcement is not going to have an effect on a group that overall ignores the law.
TL;DR - gun owners are creating the very problem they claim to need firearms to defend themselves against, but resist any possible regulation between themselves and their toys and are quite happy to let society pay for their unfettered right.
I’ve had guns my entire life. The only laws that will make any sense are requirements to secure firearms and making gun owners responsible for crimes committed with said firearms should they not be secured. A somewhat distant third would be capacity limits on magazines…seriously, I’ve had shit tons of fun shooting with 3 round mags or 5 round stripper clips. Nobody needs 15, 25+ round mags. At that point it’s a toy the owner is accessorizing. I’ve done more than one deep dive into the statistics regarding firearm use in crimes, and as I previously mentioned, the vast majority of firearms used are taken/stolen. Grabbed from a relative’s closet. People leave guns under car seats, glove boxes, truck door pockets, countertops, closets, wherever they either left them out of laziness or some fear they make up to justify them accessible in an instant. Theft is a fact of life. There’s never been a civilization without it. Homes and cars will be broken in to and guns stolen. Those guns directly used or sold on the street to be used in crimes. Now the gun owner washes their hands of the gun on the street and goes and buys more to defend against the criminals that stole their stuff. Rinse and repeat.
If people can afford hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of firearms, they can afford a safe. They can afford to not be dumbasses and not leave unsecured firearms where little Johnny can find it and shoot himself, where Tyler doesn’t have the safe code to grab a couple handguns and shoot up his school, where some dude doesn’t steal the guns out of the pickup and then go shoot a store clerk for $ or the other drug dealer on his turf. Failure to secure said firearm gets a nasty charge, like accessory to deadly assault or something. I’m tired of gun owners’ who think gun control stops as soon a a they leave the range and that leave the rest of society to pay the deadly price for their toys.
Lots of Canada’s laws are a little extreme to me, but they cover a lot that you said. Restricted firearms need an extra permit that requires personal references, and must be double locked(like a locked case in a locked safe, or trigger lock plus locked case) during storage and transportation, and we limit magazine sizes. Lots of our gun crime involves firearms purchased legally in the US that make their way here on the black market, so I’m in favour of the US tightening up their gun control.
“Freedom”
See, guns don’t kill people, bullets do!
Chris Rock had a great bit on this a long time ago. Bullet Control
Bruh why you gotta be a bullet blamer like that. If the car hadn’t been there non of this happens.
One could argue “Shaquille Taylor” does as he arguably played a key role by pulling the trigger.
If it wasn’t for that pesky gravity meddling, this wouldn’t have happened!
There is so much that is unfortunate about this. First off, another person dead because of guns. Second, there is so much news and uproar because she was a young white woman. This is undeniable. Third, in looking for statistics on stray bullet incidences, I found that there is no official tracking in the US.
I found a study of 2008 stray bullet incidents, including deaths from combining news reports. In the year, they found 284 of 501 unique reports of different incidences that met criteria injuring 317 ppl (almost one a day). Of these, about 20% died, and most injured were at home, not aware of any gun violence. Suffice to say, each statistic is a person just like her, and their deaths are all needless tragedies brought on by gun culture.
Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201323
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Edit 2: Oh man that’s funny, there’s someone following my history and automatically downvoting every comment I make 😂
Where I live lots of less fortunate people rely on hunting for a source of meat through the winter, I think “illegal for most” is a stretch. Tighter controls, red flag laws and extensive background checks, absolutely. Flat out illegal to own? That’s absolutely a deprivation of liberty for lots of people.
If that’s enough reason to block me that’s unfortunate.
Put all the money going towards gun related issues into social programs and these less fortunate people won’t need guns either. I mentioned it in another discussion but if my uncle lived in a northern community of 200 where they sometimes had bears on their porch in the morning and didn’t own a gun then you need a pretty fucking great justification to need one.
Heck, they could even have rental programs for the people you’re talking about, but they would never agree to that, as if meat wasn’t the reason they want a gun… As if being able to shoot people if they feel threatened is the real reason and it just so happens that they’re able to hunt since they own a firearm anyway 🤷
Child in Gunsville, Alabama, dressed as gun holding a gun at a local gun appreciation day parade gets shot in the gun by a group of gun-shooting friends called the “fun guns gun group” who’s group motto is “let’s gun for fun!”. Now is not the time to discuss guns.
Well this is america, you have to expect stray bullets.
True, but the inaction on this issue is unacceptable.
A society where you have to expect stray bullets has a problem. When you have a problem, you take action to correct that problem. The US does not take any action to correct the problem. The problem continues.
This wasn’t just a stray bullet. This was a madman who had terrorized people with guns in the past, and was set free because he isn’t fit to stand trial, which somehow means he’s fit to be free and have guns.
I don’t give a fuck about the shooters backstory or why he’s messed up in the head, he should never been allowed out in society of he’s not fit, yet dangerous.
USA! USA! USA!
How sad. What a waste.
The only strays found in parks should be dogs. Not freaking bullets!!! What the heck is a ‘stray bullet’ anyway, they move in straight lines and can only be set off by someone pulling a trigger.
we shouldn’t be finding strays anywhere. please adopt dogs and bullets from your local shelter.
I imagine some “stray bullet” injuries/deaths are caused by firing into the air causing an arc. Don’t mean to “actually” you but it likely isn’t always a shot fired horizontally.
I agree with you by the way. And gun control could start would rigorous training requirements (like checking backstops, education on safety) – it wouldn’t have to be “they’re taking our guns!”.
Tbf neither are actually “allowed” to be in parks.
Guns don’t kill stray bullets do…
Bullets don’t kill, kinetic energy does.
Get the glue out I guess.
