Muslim voters disillusioned with President Biden’s position on Israel are facing the prospect of a difficult choice in 2024.
No they don’t.
Same as everyone else, they can choose between a moderate and a fascist.
Everyone has issues they don’t want moderation on. That doesn’t mean they are stupid enough to back a person who explicitly says they want to ban them.
They can also just be less enthused and a few may not vote. They don’t even need to decide not to vote - they can intend to, but with an additional logistical hurdle, it ceases to be something they do.
I’m not going to fight to vote if I think both candidates are happy to see me (and people like me) dead. And while Biden wrings his hands at the “jumanitarian” toll, it really looks like it’s the political one that has his attention.
People will have legitimate feelings about that and we as Americans are not entitled to Muslims voting against Trump. Even if we desperately need it.
If we do desperately need it, we’ll need to earn it.
You say we as if “we” and Muslims are separate. We are all the same. We don’t have to earn Muslim votes. Our party needs to earn all of our votes. Just because they have a specific issue in world politics right now doesn’t make them any different than so many sub groups within the democrat party.
Nope. Like most things in the continued enshitification of life, the bleeding must be stopped before the wound may be closed. Voting for the lesser Evil is as required.
Every Election, no excuses.
The moderate in question being Genocide Joe? The bigger problem to me seems to be why the DNC is incapable of producing an actual viable candidate.
Edit: you can downvote to your hearts content, as long as you eventually come to the realization that we’re headed nowhere nice regardless of how much we “vote blue no matter who”. The GOP has made their position clear beyond a doubt. The DNC has followed that up by crippling Bernie for having hints of socialism to him when he actually had a good shot of winning, leading us to Trump. Biden was never wanted by anyone, even before this went down. He won solely on the basis of not being Trump, and is currently being hated for his own stances. And still we all know the DNC won’t put up another candidate in 2024. Why? Are they not worried about Trump? Do they give a shit about the state of the country at all beyond maybe winning votes and securing donors? And even then the votes apparently matter less than the donors.
When you’ve got one party openly calling for fascism and the other party barely pulling the breaks on it, it doesn’t take a lot to realize where you’ll probably end up.
I keep seeing this nickname pop up but nobody seems to be able to tell me who Joe Biden has committed genocide against. The only Joe I know that’s committed genocide is Stalin.
It may not be considered genocide, but Biden supported the Iraq war and other efforts which caused a lot of civilian deaths estimated to be well over 100,000.
You mean the war that was supported by virtually the entirety of Congress and the Senate, up to and including Bernie Sanders? That war?
They got fucking lied to and made a bad decision based on bad information. How is that anyone other than the Bush administrations fault?
Sanders didn’t vote for the Iraq War. There were members that knew it was a big lie. So now we should feel bad for Joe Biden… poor guy was misled and lied to. By your logic, I should vote for any candidate… heck, I could vote for Trump, cause maybe poor Trump is just surrounded by people lying to him and he shouldn’t take any responsibility for anything. Seriously, how many times are the corporate Democrats going to play the… “Who coulda known game?”
Let’s approve this bill for a trillion dollars… oh, there was one person overseeing it and the President had authorization to fire them… hm, “Who coulda known?” You know it isn’t a good look when your excuses for your party is that they were too inept at the time to do their job.
You said it better than I could. I tried. Biden didn’t win because people like him. If they can’t put forward another inspiring candidate soon, then there is a good chance Trump will get re-elected. I don’t think the DNC even cares as long as it isn’t a progressive candidate. Then in 4 more years they can say, well if you don’t vote for our candidate you’ll get worse. Rinse & repeat.
Exactly. It’s just depressing when you actually sit down and realise that if nothing else drastically changes (which it won’t just by voting) we’re pretty much guarenteed to slide into whatever shit the GOP is willing to orchestrate due to the DNC’s stance. We’ve basically got fascism and fascism-on-pause as our only options when it comes to voting. Obviously one still feels preferable to the other (nobody would claim otherwise), but take a look at the big picture and realize how screwed everything is if all we have to depend on is “voting blue no matter who” while hoping the blue’s own shitty (in this case outright murderous) stances haven’t managed to discourage enough people to stay home once again.
I’m optimistic but in other ways. I’m optimistic that people will wake up to the manipulation taking place on both sides, and start a movement that encourages education and self-awareness. Even then, we are pretty defenseless against AI and those that may control it, but at least we will have some insight into how easily we are manipulated.
Voting for Trump shouldn’t even be an option at this point, it’s just ridiculous
Lol, the guy who literally instituted the Muslim ban or the guy who actually talks about Gaza Human Rights and just doesn’t want to lose the Jewish vote. Golly, tough call 🙄
LoL… Biden, the guy who’s supportive of pretty much all middle eastern countries that aren’t maniacal death cults, or Trump who literally banned all Muslims from America.
Do y’all think Trump would deport them all to Gaza or to Geneva by mistake?
It’s a two horse race and no one can say that voting Republican will help Palestinians. If people vote for a protest against Biden then their vote is lost and the Republicans have a win. The same if people decide that they won’t vote. It’s still a win for the Republicans.
RFK is polling at 22%. Winning independents with 36%.
I don’t think we can really dismiss him yet.
Muslims refusing to vote for Biden is like taking themselves hostage. You know if Trump gets elected he will try to deport them and inspire more hate crimes against them, plus he would be way worse for Palestinians.
Biden isn’t the problem. The problem is that both parties support Israel.
The problem is the two-party system and that we don’t have ranked choice voting. The DNC would rather a Republican win than to see an inspiring progressive win. People voted for Biden in 2020 because it was either him or Trump, but I believe a lot of people expected the DNC to take note and make changes to ensure their voices were heard. Instead, it seems like the DNC took that as a message that Biden is well liked and that they didn’t even need another candidate. If Trump gets elected in 2024, it will be the DNC’s fault and the DNC’s fault alone. Don’t go blaming the progressives, Muslims, or whoever else.
“Genocidal” vs. “extremely genocidal”. Gotta love America.
Maybe the DNC should just run someone who isn’t complicit in a genocide. Problem solved.
You can’t vote for or against them now anyway. Maybe give it a year and see where things stand then?
A year is an eternity in politics
From the article:
In a memo released Thursday, Biden campaign manager Julie Chávez Rodriguez said her team feels “well-prepared to defeat whoever emerges from the extreme MAGA Republicans’ primary field,” but “this will be a very close general election.”
Biden won 64 percent of the Muslim vote in 2020, and Trump won 35 percent, according to exit polling by The Associated Press.New polling this week showed Biden’s support among Arab American voters plummeting to just 17 percent, down 42 percentage points compared to 2020. The Arab American Institute, which conducted the poll, said it marks the first time in 26 years of polling Arab Americans that the majority did not claim to prefer the Democratic Party.
Between this recurring news and the fact that it’s being taken seriously it feels like team Biden is going to have to go further than an Islamophobia policy implementation. These numbers can likely lose him Michigan as it stands, and ignoring the Midwest has never worked out to a candidates (and all of our) detriment in the recent past. We need concise action to support these communities if we want to keep Michigan blue.
We need another candidate aside from Biden, even if it is to build momentum into the general election.
People can’t just begrudgingly keep voting for Democrats with policies they don’t like. It’s short sighted. Yes they could lose an election, at this rate they will anyway, but if we keep doing this then this cycle will just keep going over and over and over again. They need to see that supporting genocide will cost them elections.
im sure they’ll love the two right wing supreme court justices that are likely to come up in the next four years
Rep. Cory Mills (R-FL) claimed that “paid actors” are pretending to be killed in the Israel-Hamas war.
Said Mills: “What the mainstream media is saying about the indiscriminate fire and the actors—I mean you literally have paid actors who are pretending to be killed, pretending to be treated.”
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No, they’re more like paid actors themselves.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Yet the Republican candidate facing Biden at this stage seems likely to be former President Trump, who famously issued a travel ban on predominantly Muslim nations in his first days in office.
Ameerah Al-Zahrani, a Pittsburgh, Pa. voter who is Muslim, said she feels “extremely discouraged” about the 2024 election and is considering a vote for Cornel West, the Harvard professor and longtime critic of Israel who is challenging Biden from the left.
In a memo released Thursday, Biden campaign manager Julie Chávez Rodriguez said her team feels “well-prepared to defeat whoever emerges from the extreme MAGA Republicans’ primary field,” but “this will be a very close general election.”
Besides the Muslim travel ban policy, Trump also made the controversial move to relocate the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem and declare it Israel’s capital, which infuriated Arabs in the region.
Alawieh noted that on the ground in Michigan, the Republican party is working hard to attract Muslims who may align with the GOP on wedge social issues.
“But I think they have been putting a fair amount of work and in a moment like this, the president’s failure to call for a cease-fire that saves the lives of Palestinian children is exactly the kind of thing that has the potential to open the flood gates of people abandoning the long streak of supporting Democrats.”
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No, they don’t. Being Muslim does not make a Person stupid. They can be stupid, certainly, but it isn’t because they are Muslim that they must face their stupidity.
This article says that a higher percentage of Muslims voted for Trump in 2020 than did in 2016. Is it really far fetched to think that percentage could continue to rise?
It’s because people see Trump as a chance to make America a theocracy… and well, both Christians and Muslims have traditionally been keen on theocracies for some reason.
Maybe. I don’t think Muslims are keen for a Christian theocracy especially a white Christian ethno-theocracy
My opinion is people wishing for theocracies are merely using religion as an excuse for control. Kind-hearted religious people adapt their religious views. Mean-spirited ones hide behind their religion as an excuse to do bad things.
Yeah, super difficult. An imperfect candidate or a batshit crazy fascist. Whatever should we do, it’s a real Sophie’s choice.
A government that endorses killing their families or a government that endorses killing their families. Talk about a choice.
