“Also, there is no way that the gun was a part of this crime! Guns don’t kill people. Only the mentally unstable people we goad into mass shootings with the weapons and ammo we sell them kill people.”
*Weapons, ammo, and an ideology built on hatred.
Most mass shooters are right-wing nutjobs.
“extremists”
“lone wolves”
“few rotten apples”
To play devil’s advocate (and weather the downvotes for doing so), alcohol doesn’t drive drunk, and most people who use it do so responsibly.
If a bunch of peeps who don’t drink wanted to stop drunk driving, they would see the best solution as just banning alcohol. Its a simple solution and makes sense. Nations like saudi arabia have banned alcohol and have significantly less drunk driving incidents. It wouldnt make sense to them why so many people would resist such a simple and proven solution. If they won’t ban it all then atleast ban the liquor, etc.
Meanwhile the people who drink responsibly wouldnt want to have to give up drinking just because a few idiots drive drunk. They would see the best solution as finding ways to stop people from choosing (or being able) to drive drunk, while still allowing themselves to use it responsibly, but that is a much harder thing to do.
Maybe we should have licensing and registration requirements for guns like we do cars… nobody on the “guns aren’t the problem” side of the argument is ok with anything like that either.
There is no license, class, physical or psychological examination, registration, age requirement, background check, or permit required to purchase a car.
There are licences, classes, examinations, registration, age requirements and permits required to actually use the car though.
Also, cars have a viable purpose beyond being a weapon. Why are we trying to equate something whose main purpose is to transport but can be used as a weapon with something whose main purpose is to end life? If an object’s sole or main purpose is to cause physical harm, it should obviously be regulated more heavily than objects whose main purpose is not to harm, but can be used as a weapon in certain circumstances.
To use the car on publicly-owned roads.
I’m just clarifying why “treat them like cars” is a terrible argument.
Yeah i feel like most people would be down with that. Same with taking guns away from domestic abusers. John Stewart (the problem with john stewart) had a great episode on gun control.
Those convicted of domestic violence are already federally barred from firearms ownership.
*except in Vermont where they allow it for some reason, and the federal govt lets the state get away with that. Your guess is as good as mine.
“Those convicted of domestic violence are already federally barred from firearms ownership.”
But don’t cops walk around with guns all day?
HA!
Also to actually answer: “Yes but we all know laws don’t apply to them.”
Yes, we got it passed, now we just need to enforce it.
I do agree, “eat the gun control we have at home before I buy you new cereal” I say.
Lol
I am on that side of the argument and im fully in favor of registration requirements, in fact I think anyone who wants to own a gun should have to undergo regular psychological, mental, and physical health evaluations as well as required to take a gun safety course. Not that I speak for everyone of course but I also dont think Im a minority in this situation.
I have an issue with psych evals: Ableism. Just because someone is depressed, has PTSD, has ADHD, whatever, doesn’t mean they don’t deserve the right to defend themselves. Furthermore it is currently federal law that if you are IVC’d under judge’s orders (which does require proof, but it is imprisonment short term and removal of rights for life, there should be proof), you now get flagged in NICs and can’t legally buy one, so at least we do have an acceptible version of this already.
Also I’d like to add, it would be a good .2sec before republicans add trans people to the no gun list because “41% suicide yadda yadda” and the democrat party will pass it because “gun bad.” It’ll get snuck in like they always do, “oh you want psych evals, ‘no trans’ or no deal.” Then they’ll have to choose between trans rights and the right to own the thing that can defend those rights from would be right wing attackers.
It is too easily weaponized against people already too stignatized, I don’t like it personally.
The counter argument to that is that it negatively impacts lower class people who are unable to take time off work to go do those things, thus disproportionately hindering lower class and minority rights.
And the counter argument to that is that there should be enough safety nets in place to allow all people to be able to take time off work as needed.
That would have people really confused. “We have to raise minimum wage to allow everyone the right to bear arms”
So if working conditions improve, it would be appropriate to implement stricter voter ID laws?
Yes… but since the purpose of those laws is only to suppress turnout amongst the poor, I don’t think anyone would be trying to pass them if being poor didn’t make voting harder…the 2nd group most impacted are the elderly and they tend to vote for folks that want to suppress the poor so there’s even less reason to pass them at that point.
Suppress turnout amongst the poor [and consequently certain demographics that are disproportionately poor]. Take a look at the history of gun control and you’ll see a familiar pattern to voter suppression.
I like your analogy. I’m just trying to refactor based on the NotJustBikes mindset of a well-developed city that has little to no requirement for driving a powered vehicle.
“Drunk person riding their bicycle into the canal and drowning” doesn’t quite have the same impact.
That said, the Venn diagram of countries with cities designed primarily around car usage vs the countries with a serious gun abuse problem seems to intersect with just one country. So your analogy still stands.
Lol interesting take on it. Big fan of not just bikes, climate town as well.
Worst part about this shitty argument is that if they believe it’s a mental health issue then why are they so adamant about slashing spending for mental health programs and treatment 🤔
Guns don’t kill people, the government does!
Pfft these kids don’t even know what kind of guns they’re being killed with…
-conservatives
Also, it’s worth noting that he would be just as dangerous with a knife or a car or a bow.
-also conservatives
They like saying “a bomb” these days. And then I like asking them which country with gun control has daily bombings.
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“Would you believe, a boy scout with a pea-shooter?” - Maxwell Smart
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You can bump fire any gun without a bump stock or a trigger mechanism, on a lot of guns it’s stupid easy and you can do it without experience. It doesn’t turn it into a “fully automatic machine gun”. Someone with barely any firearm experience can take any pistol or rifle and be shown how to bump fire within like a minute. It has nothing to do with accessories, although things like those can make it a little easier.
I’m a big advocate for better gun control, but what you’re implying is just dishonest, even if unintentionally.
Posting that kind of stuff makes you sound like you have no idea what you’re talking about (the way you worded it just sounds cringey) which makes people less inclined to be influenced by what you say, and hurts support of gun regulation by convincing witnesses that everybody who likes gun control is misinformed.
Then you’ll have no issue with banning bumpstocks then eh? And other mechanisms that move this from skill based to technology based?
No. Because the whole point of guns is to equalize people regardless of skill. Normal people can’t spend their lives training, terrorists can.
“Everyone can kill people regardless of skill” seems much worse than 'only highly skilled people can". None of these shooters ever “spent their life training”.
Look man, I just want less gun violence in this country. And my solution is to ban guns. If you have a better idea I’m all ears.
That’s because legally speaking, it is not a machine gun.
Disbarring effectiveness from the conversation (although bumpfire is hilariously innacurate compared to true fully automatic fire), bumpfire also requires a degree of skill to actually pull off, even with a bump stock, as you have to manipulate the firearm in a way that it actually can continuously fire, something that would be very difficult to do in a stressful situation.
Bumpstocks also make semiautomatic fire much more difficult.
I should clarify that I’m not defending bumpstocks, I’m just saying that banning bumpstocks was a farce, especially since you can still bumpfire without them due to the existence of physics.
I would imagine bump stocks are actually less effective than regular aimed semiautomatic fire in just about every situation. That’s why bans like this are pointless. People don’t realize how fast a person can already shoot a semiautomatic rifle, while actually being able to properly aim at what they are trying to hit.
No. We just don’t want people trying to ban things they don’t have even a basic understanding of. When someone says “ban high capacity clipazines” it tells us they don’t even know what they are talking about.
But it’s irrelevant, people just don’t want violent murderers to have the ability to fire large volumes of bullets at them first thing in the morning.
FFS, let us get a cup of coffee first!
There is nothing wrong with being conversant in proper terminology.
“These people” aren’t the only ones who play semantic games: if you have ever wondered, then been punched in the taint, about what any of the letters in lgbtqia+ mean you will understand how ridiculous people of any ideology get about using the “right words”.
It’s not semantics. When legislation is being written, it has to be very specific. If you can’t even get the definition correct, how are you going to be expected to accurately write laws about it? It’s even worse when the general population is pressuring their representatives to write laws on something they also know nothing about. There is a very clear distinction between semi-automatic and automatic. To say otherwise, you are absolutely clueless or intentionally being dishonest.
“By hiding from the guy and not letting him shoot you, you’re infringing on his 2nd amendment rights, so who’s the real monster here? Ok bye”
Haven’t we had many records of “good guys with a gun”
Who pull out their weapon and then either get shot by police who mistake them for the shooter or put it back because they can’t tell what’s going on in the chaos?
Well here’s some, 1 or 2 of which the police did indeed do that but tbh at least some other people were saved if not the defender. At least he actually did kinda die a hero even if the cops are stupid and trigger happy (what else is new?)
https://crimeresearch.org/2023/08/cases-where-armed-citizens-have-stopped-active-shooter-incidents/
some
That was a rather big “some” I thought.
There is an entire subreddit /r/dgu
Eh just let em keep moving the bar, makes em look silly.
“That never happens, show me ONE example”
“Here’s like 50”
“That isn’t enough, it still isn’t 100% of the time so somehow I’m right, and I’m going to ignore how the shooters target gun free zones to lessen the chance of said armed resistance so gun control actually lowers the rates of ‘good guys with guns,’ and don’t you DARE bring up the fact that Harvard estimated ‘a more realistic’ estimate than Kleck and Lott at 100,000 dgu/yr, which is still a raw 40,000 over our gun deaths and 88,000 over our intentional homicides /yr respectively, and that’s the low estimate. Gun defense bad, knife crime good, i know it doesn’t mean much when you’re getting vivisected but at least he gave us time to run away and leave you for dead!”
You don’t CCW to be some stupid fudd sheep dog. You carry so you have a force equalizer and so you can protect yourself and others around you…not to go hunting for someone shooting others.
No, you carry because you’re fearful and ignorant
The ivory tower you sit in is some mighty fine white privilege.
The percentage is incredibly small.
Out of nearly 560 mass shootings this year, we are looking at something ridiculous like less than 1% was a “good guy with a gun” that helped. And for some of those “good guy with a gun”, they also end up dead from police shooting at them.
In other words, you’re more likely to hope the shooter is struck by lightning.
Most of those “mass shootings” are gang violence, and when a shooter gets taken out by another shooter it’s just part of the violence.
The mass shootings where the point is a massacre have a slightly better rate of “good guys with guns,” but still admittedly not great.
It’s completely irrelevant though, the point of the right to bear arms is so people can join a radical militia and help put down slave revolts, conquer land from the Indians, and fight tyranny, in the order of importance to the Founding Fathers.
This is why I never took the Republican Party seriously, even before the days when they came out as being domestic terrorists.
Anyone who is honestly more afraid of not having a gun than they are of not having a doctor, has the mindset of a 7-year-old who’s Daddy just let him watch Die Hard.
You must live in a nice neighborhood
He forgot the thoughts and prayers, the best help they’ll ever offer.
Ooooh, I thought it was THOTS and prayers. That one still makes more sense though
Mmm tater tots
Your cries for help are meaningless if you can’t tell the difference smh
Judging by her educational history and political present day, I’m guessing she’s not fond of being lectured or otherwise informed by anyone about anything.
They could call it a “fnorplgleek” for all I care.
Until they figure out how to prevent any and all fnorplgleeks from having the ability to injure, main, or kill another human being when the fnorplgleek operator wishes to harm you unlawfully, they can expend 100% of their thinkbox time figuring out how to do so. Like, pin their wetware CPU to working out a solution. Interconnect them Borg style.
If the response is “well no, not like that” then we recognize that it’s a compromise that continues to put victims in front of said fnorplgleek operators.
brb getting a “Down with fnorplgleeks” t-shirt made
are “fnorplgleeks” pencils? because what you described sounds like a problem with pencils.
So you wouldn’t care if the legislation was written to ban anything that has the potential to kill?
Guns, cars, knives, bleach, rope all could fall into that category. See how words have specific definitions and actually matter quite a bit? Especially when the law is concerned. Why do you think there’s different categories of homicide? Do you think manslaughter and 1st degree murder should carry the same penalty?
Only one is made to kill. All others have other uses
So large jacked up trucks have a use? Butterfly knives and swords have practical uses? What about cars with more than 200 hp? Not like you can do 120mph anywhere legally, so why have them? Or alcohol, more people are killed 10 fold via drunk drivers than all rifles combined… sounds like alcohol should go back to prohibition era and the gov. poisons it.
I take it you’re for walkable cities then?
Absolutely and mass transit. Trains should have been worked heavily into long distance travel in our country. Even though I’m a petrolhead, I still don’t understand why we neutered our mass transit and civilian walkable infrastructure…might have helped with our obesity epidemic.
Good to hear we can agree on that
Because knowing the names of things = knowing safety?
I would be concerned for your knowledge of gun safety if you didn’t know this too. She’s a lunatic, but she has a point.
This is just bullshit GOP deflection whenever someone calls it what it is.The AR in AR-15 may stand for Armalite, but an AR-15 is still an assault rifle.
The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.
And
…examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
The AR-15 doesn’t have selective fire.
His point about bullshit deflection stands.
Um… You know I can easily buy a single-fire gun.
It is very challenging for me to buy a selective fire gun. Because, they have been heavily regulated for a long time.
Thanks for the great example of bullshit deflection!
it’s literally the definition given above that’s being used.
You know you just can’t call “bullshit deflection” every time you are wrong because you failed to understand what you read right?
Select fire means there are multiple fire modes, therefore by definition they have to be burst or full auto capable. See what Boebert means?
Wtf, no she doesn’t?! I don’t need to know the details of how guns are named to see the effects they have. It’s like saying you can only criticize someone running over people with a car if you can name the manufacturer’s home country, completely absurd.
No, it’s like pushing for horse-drawn carriage control because people in cars are speeding.
It’s fucking important to know about the things you’re trying to legislate, and knowing that an AR-15 isn’t an assault rifle is such a basic bit of information.
It would be like banning hysterectomy as treatment for anyone who isn’t certifiably hysterical.
The AR in AR-15 may stand for Armalite, but an AR-15 is still an assault rifle.
The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.
And
…examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
AR-15 is not selective fire. That means fully automatic, something that is already effectively banned in the USA.
What? No.
Fully automatic means when you hold the trigger it keeps shooting until the magazine is empty. Semi automatic means every time you pull the trigger a round is discharged. Some AR-15 platform scary black guns allow you to choose between these settings, some dont because they are only semi automatic. As far as I am aware there is no burst setting on a stock AR-15 which would fall in between those options.
As a super liberal who happens to own a scary black gun (and several others) please stop making us look like idiots and learn the difference.
Select fire is a weapon that can do full auto and semi auto. In other words, colloquially a full auto rifle. No AR-15s for the civilian market today are select fire or burst fire. Buying a new select fire or full auto rifle has been extremely illegal at the federal level for literal decades, as would be turning your semiautomatic into a select fire (without heavy duty federal licensing at a minimum)
Maybe you should learn the difference?
Why does knowing what AR stands for mean you understand gun safety? Do they have a corporate model vocabulary lesson in gun safety classes?
It would indicate you have done passing research on what you are talking about. If people are messing up basic terminology I would be concerned they have a poor understanding of the subject. The same way Trump spoke about stuff with incorrect language showed his ignorance.
Why do you need to research the name of a specific gun to understand gun safety? How does not knowing what the initials of one single gun stand for show you have a poor understanding of the subject? Do you have to be familiar with every gun out there to understand gun safety? In that case, don’t let anyone buy a gun until they’ve used every model and knows each one intimately. Otherwise it won’t be safe.
It’s one of the most prolific gun platforms ever. It would be like trying to regulate trucks without knowing the F-150 is made by Ford. It shows ignorance of the subject, which isn’t what you want if you’re looking to express an opinion. It’s not that deep.
Replace that same logic with the idiots who want to control women’s healthcare… that’s why.
What abbreviation is it necessary to know to understand women’s healthcare?
It’s not about just the abbreviation, it’s the fact that you and a ton of others in here think the AR-15 is somehow more dangerous than any other semi auto rifle. When it’s not. The amount of people killed each year with all rifles combined, is 1/3rd the number of people killed with knives and 1/2 of those killed with feet/hands, which shows you’re not here for a solution to people dying, you’re here to ban something you have no clue about because the media and politicians tell you it’s scary.
The AR15 was designed to be the most effective general case weapon of war to be carried by soldiers. If it didn’t have measurable advantage over other rifles why did the US military adopt the M-16? Select fire is far from the only characteristic that contributes to the efficient lethality of that design.
They don’t use the AR-15 in the military… it’s still a plastic fucking semi automatic rifle …just like my wood ones that are semi auto…there is no difference. It’s like trying to ban a car because it’s got a spoiler and painted red…
it’s the fact that you and a ton of others in here think the AR-15 is somehow more dangerous than any other semi auto rifle.
Please provide evidence that I think that the AR-15 is more dangerous than any other semi automatic rifle.
Unless that was a lie, of course. I’m sure if it wasn’t a lie, you can prove that I think that.
“Well technically, the babies died because of gravity, not because I throw them out of the window.” -throws_babies_out_of_windows
Imagine agreeing with Boebert. Yikes
It’s called not being an ideological slave with a mind poisoned by partisan politics.
If Boebert said the Holocaust was bad would you disagree?
I would be surprised if she said that
If it’s trying to kill me then that is kind of more important than it being called or not called the Assualt Rifle 15
The point of the right to bear arms is to have some defense against an oppressive government if needed.
Yes it is, but you do you and your history changing…gun control is rooted in racism btw.
What mental gymnastics did you perform to come to the conclusion that gun control is rooted in racism
Edit: history
It’s literally the reason behind much of the first gun control laws. Things were fine until whites got scared when they realized African Americans have the same access to guns and they might start defending themselves against the oppression they continued to face in America. Similar to drug law, gun control is very much rooted in racism and NIMBY mentality.
It’s pretty well known that the Black Panthers movement back in the 1960s and '70s that promoted black people to open carry weapons was a huge motivation for Republicans, the NRA and Ronald Reagan to pass gun control legislation.
Yes that’s right, I said the NRA supported gun control regulation:
“Many of these gun laws specifically and explicitly restricted Black persons’ ability to possess and carry firearms. A more recent and salient historical example is the Mulford Act of 1967, which outlawed the open carrying of loaded firearms. The Mulford Act was signed into law by California’s Republican governor Ronald Reagan with the support of the National Rifle Association. Although it is not explicitly stated in the act, the passage of this particular gun control law was motivated by the open carrying of loaded firearms by members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting patrols in Oakland neighborhoods to protect Black residents from police brutality (Anderson, 2021; Cottrol & Diamond, 1991; Winkler, 2011).”
https://www.apa.org/pubs/highlights/spotlight/issue-269
And
“The law, AB 1591—better known as the Mulford Act and named for its author, Alameda County Republican Assemblymember Don Mulford—banned the carrying of firearms in public, making it a felony to do so without a government-issued license.”
I think there’s some documentaries about it as well.
The only time the NRA actually agreed with Gun Control was literally as soon as the black panthers became a thing
ronald regan didn’t like the black panthers
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look at this!
Ah, I love the wait this baits the Reagan jerkers.
it’s so beautifully constructed. from the “worked hand in hand with the nra” bit, to the fucking QUOTE FROM MARX . i’ve considered recreating it from time to time but this version is just chefs kiss.
You really don’t know the roots of gun control do you?
No, not really, even in the wild West towns would force you to surrender your firearms to the sheriff before you could go anywhere else in town.
Just because Reagan was a racist about it doesn’t mean the very concept itself is racist.
Honestly I have no hope for gun control in the US. What ever version we get will be so riddled with concessions it probably will be pretty racist.
Want to get Republicans to jump on gun control? Just have minorities show up exercising their right to bear arms.
Ask Reagan.
Yes it is.
You mean including the highly documented rationale that historian uncovered?
By the way, do you really think you could defeat the U.S. military with your gun collection? Even if you and a bunch of buddies got together?
As to your second paragraph, yep, yes, sure. We got beat by a bunch of illiterate desert goat rapists and jungle Asians. Just need to outlast the political will of the oligopoly
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it wasn’t buried.
Ain’t no slaves now. You want to disarm black people so they can’t fight back.
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And you’re anti-gun? You mostly fuck educated white women or something?
Why am I not even slightly surprised that you’re against a black person having sex with a white person?
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Well that didnt work at all; they joined the oppressive government.
GOP: 💭 & 🙏
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Just don’t mention assault rifle, you’ll trigger someone.
(I got one!)
The best way to be taken seriously is to show how misinformed you are about the subject you’re pontificating on
The people don’t need to be taken seriously, the issue does. Arguing over semantics isn’t helpful unless it’s “Legislating against assault rifles won’t do anything because that’s not a thing. We need to …” And the words after the ellipsis can’t be “…do nothing.”
Assault rifles have been illegal since the 30s. You’re advocating a ban on something that’s already banned and has been for almost a hundred years. Do you see how stupid and unhelpful that is? Why should I take your issue seriously when you don’t seem to even understand it?
Cool. You are successfully arguing semantics instead of considering the issue of getting less kids shot in school.
I have a solution, but the capitalists will hate it because it will impact their sales. Pass common sense SSRI laws and prohibit minors from taking them. Make it harder for adults to be proscribed them. Investigate doctors who over proscribe them.
At least you have a solution unlike the other guy. I disagree with it, but at least it is an actual proposed solution.
Oh, in this case I have a solution too. We need to heavily regulate uses and distrubution of moon regolith. The solution is way better than that guy’s is, because there is not a lot of moon regolith available and it’s hard to get, so it will be very easy to achieve. Of course it has nothing to do with the problem, but neither is his
What? How is making a class of antidepressants harder to get at all a gun control solution? What the hell am I missing here? Did everyone just see “common sense” and “laws” and forget to read the rest?
And you’re appealing to emotion instead of making any effort to understand and effectively solve the problem you have strong opinions about. You’re entitled to your opinions but if you don’t know what you’re talking about maybe shut up, you’re not doing anyone any favors being an uninformed loudmouth.
How many school shootings have we had now? How could you not understand that kids geting shot is at the very core of the issue? You’re not calling out a fallacy here, you’re acting like a psychopath ignoring the issue.
You bait yourself to get triggered by an obvious joke. You argue semantics even after being called out on it and don’t even know what an appeal to emotion is. Ever wonder if you’re the one that needs to stop typing for a bit? You come of as nothing but the uninformed loudmouth you ask to shut up.
You’re probably right, why understand a problem when remaining ignorant and screaming loudly is so much more likely to solve it
Looks like OP got another one
OP sure did own me by laughably uninformed yet insufferably opinionated. Trump voters own me like that too.
Yes, actually, he did. Semantics about the fucking definition of a goddamn “assault rifle” is a game that pussy-assed little bitches play.
It’s something that people who understand the issue do. People who scream about banning a thing that’s been illegal for 100 years are dipshits.
If they’re banned since the 30’s, how come I keep stumbling on YouTube content featuring them?
Note, I’m not from the US, so an ‘assault rifle’ to me is everything that is listed in that category in video games.
An assault rifle is full auto, or burst fire, a machine gun basically. That’s also the case in every video game I’ve played. You can own them if you get a special federal license, it’s expensive so there aren’t many out there. Guys will set up businesses charging people $50 to shoot one for a few minutes. That’s probably what you saw on YouTube. No mass shooting in recent history was done with an assault rifle.
An assault weapon is an imaginary legal term created during the Clinton administration so it could look like they were doing something about gun violence. The awb defines assault weapons using superficial cosmetic items like a bayonete mount, a pistol grip, a flash suppressor, etc. The same gun with 2 of these is legal, 3 of them and suddenly it’s illegal despite no functional changes to the gun. Assault weapons and the assault weapon ban were idiotic ineffective political theater.
Mass shootings are usually carried out with a semi-auto rifle, which means it automatically reloads the chamber and is ready to fire another round as fast as you can pull the trigger. The most popular one is the ar-15. It’s the standard semi-auto rifle, they’re everywhere because they’re cheap, common, and reliable. They show up in mass shootings because they’re so common, not because they’re necessarily dealer than any other semi auto rifle. The AR stands for “armalite rifle”. It’s the civilian version of the M-16 assault rifle.
The ban was in 1986 jfc.
The ban was strengthened in 1986. Assault rifles have been essentially illegal since the national firearms act of 1934. Assault rifles have been used in 0 recent mass shootings, and people on the internet screaming for an assault rifle ban to solve the problem of mass shootings are fucking idiots.
An AR-15 is still an assault rifle. It’s based on the assault rifle. Trying to hide that is just pandering to the anti gun side.
Ok, introduce a bill to ban assault rifles. I’m sure it’ll be very effective and solve the mass shootings problem.
(80s, but other than that you right.)
Of course the reason they (those at “the top” of the gun ctrl debate, MDA, Everytown, etc) are trying to conflate select fire assault rifles and their visually similar but mechanically different civilian owned semi automatic rifles is because they want to slowly chip away at semiautomatics but it’s harder to drum up support from all but the most fervent with that position, so they pretend they’re select fire to trick people like those in these comment sections who don’t actually know how guns function, nor what any of those words mean, nor the gun control laws we already have, into banning them so then when absolutely fuck all changes except the 500/yr killed by rifles are now killed by pistols and they can say "see we tried the rigistry and whatnot and it did nothing,
the jews are still commiting too much crime so turn in your guns or else we’ll round you up(sorry, errant Hitler quote about gun control, which he leveed against the jews yet expanded for his crews), so we have to ban it all.
Lmfao dude you took that bait like a champ
Unless you know exactly all the specks of a weapon used to muder you, you aren’t allowed to ask not to be murdered. It’s that one simple trick that all murderers should remember
Unless you know the bare minimum about the thing you want to outlaw, let the adults handle outlawing it.
I take your point loud and clear.
Aside:
It is worth being conversant and properly educated about the things that are important to you if you want to engage meaningfully with people who disagree. That means knowing the vocab, syntax, and lingo.
For example, if you hate manga / anime / Japanese character retardation like I do, it’s worth knowing the difference to tell people it’s stupid on their own terms.
So I have to read Mein Kampf to tell people Hitler’s ideas were terrible?
No, but you ought to know what some of the ideas were; conversant does not mean expert. It’s only really necessary to use the right vocabulary if you want to change any minds, but it’s STILL better not to use words that are actively incorrect (and are also painfully simple and germain to the discussion).
If the point is just to be loud and obnoxious for people who already superficially agree with you, by all means, throw all this out: you can just be really mad about Hitler’s treatment of Jews in focus camps while he was the leader of Poland.
This is who we are.
A garbage, labor camp of a country filled with selfish people who’d literally rather have the option to buy whatever they want than protect children from a continuous stream of violent death, when they aren’t calling to further defund their schools to cut the taxes an actual society would require to function.
Oh, but I better root for the home team like its a fucking game, amirite? At this point, I’m rooting for climate change, AI, and all our other for profit monuments to greed to eat us and wipe the board clean.
Thots and Prayers!!! Ok!!!
I know so many people who think they are helping by critiquing like this when they are not. And also expect a “thank you” for their destructive distraction. If there were a hell I hope they are the first to burn or freeze in it.
In this case I do think it’s a good response. Both sides have a boogeyman, but it’s time for The Final Nightmare. This time, Freddie’s dead. Or wait, maybe we want to avoid little Freddie being dead. My point is, many are intentionally talking at cross purposes, using loaded terms to invoke rage at their target rather than actually discuss what’s in their crosshairs. Someone needs to smack their hands with a ruler until they grow up.
While we do need a better way to limit the violence people commit with firearms, I have no better idea how but I know it starts with actually talking, using the same vocabulary, facing the same reality, finding goals we can agree on.
If you’ve ever seen the difference a machine gun and a semi auto does to a body you’d be picky about it too
If you saw how dead the 4 year old is either way, you wouldn’t be.
I mean if we want to restrict anything an adult, teenager, or even older child could use to effectively kill four year olds, that’s a long list.
Targeting the most popular rifles in the country is a poor choice policy-wise though. It does very little to reduce homicide in general, and only maybe somewhat reduce casualties from a category of violence that’s claimed about 1400 people since the sixties.
So you agree that they all should be confiscated?
Oh yeah because all those smoking bans sure failed to clamp down on one of America’s most popular drugs.
There a lot of 4 year olds getting killed in school shootings?
No you are right. Toddlers shoot their family instead
It is good to see young people taking climate action into their own hands
Bruh. The age of shooting victims is what you’re getting picky about here?
Also, your comment about seeing the effects of a machine gun vs a semi-auto somehow making you more pedantic is bullshit. I’ve seen both, and am still capable of carrying on a reasonable discussion about firearms with people that don’t know much about them without getting hung up on ultimately irrelevant details.
Pull your head out of your ass and maybe you’ll actually be able to see the forrest for the trees.
I’m busting the balls of screeching, impotent fools that want to disarm the population.
Big scary gun make big scared guy feel safe?
Bootlickers demand their own rights be taken away instead of bettering society?
That question implies that any number besides zero is anything besides “infinitely too many.”
The GOP are a bunch of rinos who support the second amendment but.
They instantly support gun control the moment a group they don’t like gets interested in guns.
