Hello World,
Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.
Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.
At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.
As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one’s stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.
We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.
Thank you,
The Lemmy.World Team
Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.
The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.
Defederation is the best response imo.
I’ve actually once seen a tankie scream something about how the “imperial coreTM” (America) allows gay marriage, codifying Obergefell into law last year just in case SCOTUS and some red-state AG decide it needs to go and make a serious attempt at it. Some of them actually do think it’s “capitalistic degeneracy”
It is funny to mention Trump around tankies and watch their heads explode. They can’t pretend Trump is a communist, but their propaganda masters don’t want them to turn against the Republicans, so they’re just in this weird space where the only thing they can do is aggressively avoid the topic at all.
I’ve seen them actively celebrate that they don’t suffer from “Trump derangement syndrome” like liberals (supposedly) do. The longer you watch them, the more pro-fascism you see slip through
Don’t forget the classical “liberals are the real fascist allies”
Nazism was basically just liberalism taken to its conclusion. Rich people get to live in comfort as poor people die in a mass genocide.
Uhhhh. No. That’s not how it went at all. Rich Jews did not get to live in comfort, they had their wealth stolen and were killed all the same. Nazism was ethnic cleansing, antisemitism, and purging society of the “unideal”, rich or poor. The only German Jews who I think could get amnesty were those who fought for Germany in WW1 – soldiers do not tend to be rich, and their families were not extended the same amnesty, from what I recall. Otto Frank had military service but it did not save his family.
It’s rather disgusting to ignore the antisemitism and homophobia that led to genocides and reduce it to only economics.
I don’t think you’re really considering that liberalism does a lot of the same shit, only their targets are different groups which you don’t consider because it makes you feel uncomfortable.
I’ll clear that one up since everyone here seems to be boldly making inaccurate claims. They say that because media outlets and people will spend more time analyzing and critiquing Trump eating McDonalds or typing covfefe than the US, say, drone striking innocent Afghani people or the utter shit show that Libya has become due partially to the efforts of Clinton and Obama.
hexbear had an entire thread with hundreds of comments where they all agreed they hated trump and viewed him as an odious fascist
https://lemmy.ml/post/4040923?scrollToComments=true
The closest thing you find to support for trump in there is some of them thinking he is a less effective imperialist.
That’s my problem with it. For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist. It makes their philosophies and claims seem really inconsistent and not based on any real ideology. It seems like at most an anti-US, anti-EU ideology, and for some reason they scorn the same US politicians that conservatives here do, while never mentioning any problems with the people in the US who are even more against workers rights and in favor of unbridled capitalism. Also, the tactics of groups of people mocking people and comments reminds me of the shilled-out shit that showed up on reddit several years ago.
You can’t understand why or how communists and socialists would be anti-US and anti-EU? Really? Seems fairly self evident to me that that’d be the case. Why would you expect anything but hostility towards the ultra capitalist systems in the US or EU from communists and socialists? Seems like an odd complaint, anti-capitalist sentiment is part of the core of the ideology as I see it.
My question is why they’d support Russia and China instead, which are as currently as capitalist as the US and EU. And also, as noted, have scorn for the more socialist politicians in the US while not criticizing the ones that support the even more abusive capitalist policies.
Buddy, if you really believe there are active socialist politicians within the US system, I don’t know what to tell you.
Also, it’s kind of wild to call China “as capitalist as the US and EU”. Russia sure, its current system is very predatory capitalist in its makeup, even if they have particularly Russian characteristics to it. I mean, it’s hard to imagine Biden have Musk or Bezos dressed down on live television while stripping them of their assets, the way Putin did with a number of oligarchs early in his rule. But it’s very capitalist all the same. But China as capitalist as the US? That’s just nonsense. State capitalist I could understand, but capitalist like the US is just plain nonsense.
There are politicians who support more socialist policies than others, and the so-called leftists in question reserve their mockery and scorn for them, vs. ones who are openly pro-billionaire, anti-government and anti-union. Perhaps you can explain why.
“State capitalist” is a competent of fascism, if you’re not aware. And yes, Putin abused various political opponents in the past. Nothing about current Russia or China has much to do with communism.
For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist.
It’s all they’ve got. There are no real Socialist or Communist nations as those ideologies are fundamentally incompatible with groups of people larger than about 150, at least in a world that isn’t truly post scarcity.
It’s a shame really but that’s just how people are.
Aww, they’re just not doing “the right kind” of communism I guess?
Show me communism that doesn’t end in genocide and totalitarian state leadership, I’ll wait.
The biggest problem with communism is not the socialism, it is the totalitarism that is required for it to function. And that’s the part that kills people.
Now that Russia and China aren’t even communist, it clearly shows what they are truly after.
I think that’s the point: communism had good intentions but always ended up in totalitarianism.
Whenever communists or socialists gather, the tankies take over.
It’s been like that since the past 100 years.
I’m not even sure they’re really tankies anymore (or the meaning of the word is changing). Actual tankies still ostensibly support communism, but all too often, it’s blatantly apparent that they’re actually right-wing totalitarians cosplaying.
Yep, it’s easy to bait them too. You make a post or comment calling out tankies for supporting authoritarianism, and out of the woodwork scurry all the “socialists and communists” to downvote you.
Thing is, a real socialist or communist hates authoritarianism too.
They’re tankies in the original sense. The word came from an incident where there was an actual honest to god socialist movement when workers were seizing the means of production, and “communist” Russia sent literal tanks to shut it down. A reporter happened to observe the whole thing in person and tried to write up the story, but his editors would only print the official U.N. statement that the tanks were stopping a fascist movement.
Thanks I’ve been wondering where the term originated
[Looks around nervously]
Aren’t we gathering here too? This defederation seems like tankies not taking over.
Anecdotally I was in a bunch of actual leftist subreddits; I only departed because capitalists enshittified the whole website.
Maybe you just didn’t recognize it. Reddit leftist spaces were famously led by tankie mods.
Yup, you would call out their BS and you get banned. The system was perfect and no one is allowed to fully criticize it.
It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda
The tactics and attitudes definitely make me think of that. It seems like the same people who showed up and fucked up a bunch of subs on reddit 6-7 years ago, like how conspiracy went from discussing things like UFOs and MK ULTRA to conservative political conspiracy theories and opposing the Democratic Party and politicians.
Are you saying MK ULTRA is just a conspiracy theory and never happened? I’ve watched documentaries on PBS, BBC and the History Channel. Clearly the program existed, as for what clandestine operations it ran, that’s certainly loaded with conspiracy theories.
If everything is a conspiracy theory, nothing is a conspiracy theory.
https://www.history.com/topics/us-government-and-politics/history-of-mk-ultra
No, I didn’t intend any meaning like that. I just said it was the sort of thing discussed on the sub prior to a bunch of bullshit.
Good riddance
The lemmygrad users think the same
You mean they’re sharing the same brain cell?
I honestly don’t get the big deal about defederation.
Free speech doesn’t really seem achievable on social media because bad actors will always manipulate votes to ensure that some opinions are promoted more than others.
For example, the opinions of lemmygrad should probably consume ~1% of the total informed opinion “pie chart” if you will. They can be adequately represented by some idiot posting their opinion in a thread once in a while - yet here we are. Their bizarre takes are sucking all the oxygen out of the room.
Surely there’s a better way to ensure that all opinions on a given matter can be considered rather than just saying we must allow our streets to be overrun with zombies lest we forget they exist.
Thank fucking god. It’s exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.
I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.
Same! I moved over from lemmy.one, and was re-creating my block lists when I discovered that lemmy.world had already defederated from hexbear. So that saved me like 40 blocklist entries right there! Good job, admins!
Nothing of value has been lost
Lost all respect for lemmygrad when they deleted a comment i made about voting for the lesser of 2 evils being the correct course of action to advance the interests of the Prolitariat in the United States. They care more about larping as revolutionaries than enacting change that actually helps the Working Class.
They’re not actual communists. They’re just “america bad” edgelords
it scares me when people conflate lemmygrad with ml. whole other thing. reminds me of watchredditdie
Yuuuup. The phrases “harm reduction” and “multi-pronged approach” just really piss them off for some reason.
tbf I hate the word prong.
only a liberal would want to reduce harm, like a coward! Hey Amazom worker, kill your slave master today. idiot liberals! /s
(their comunist edgelords, not really even in politics, its all edge)
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Leading the revolution from the $3,500 custom-built gaming rig their white upper middle class parents bought them, and while pursuing a degree that 99.99% of the working class would never end up in a job requiring it.
Are we no true scotsmanning now?
No, just pointing out that these people are almost always folks born into “we don’t worry about emergencies” household incomes, and yet still deign to speak over the rest of the working class where it suits them.
I got what you meant. I think you just found out how many lemmings had their gaming pc paid for by their parents…
“Socialists can only be poor” - you
Nah, just that rich socialists shouldn’t be talking over the fucking working class and presuming to speak for them.
Such as… when?
Refusing to believe Biden was legitimately winning primaries due to votes from working class black folks and calling them “low information voters”
You’re statistically more likely to advance your own interests through direct action than by being one of hundreds of millions of voters. Licking the boot of the lesser of two evils is less productive than focusing on building the environment you want.
“I can only do one thing. Engaging in any other thing is a betrayal of the first one.”
I wanted to partake in the revolution but a friend asked if I wanted to go have launch and so I foolishly went with them.
Oh if I could only do both!
Huh I may have forgotten neurotypicals can do multiple things in one day 😂😭😂
It literally takes 5 minutes to go vote for most Americans, less if you early vote. If that is keeping you from doing direct action the other 364 days of the year you are just looking for an excuse to sit on your hands. The 2 are not mutually exclusive lol, lmao even.
Well, most of the time if you’re gonna vote you wanna be aware of what you’re voting for beyond “lemmy told me Sandra Buttocks is super cool and against electric guillotines for the poor”. Takes some time to evaluate people, parties and ideas properly. I was kind of obsessed with that “evaluation”, thought it was productive. Going to protests, being one in the hive, realized later I hadn’t built a life and a career that would support me well. Swapped my priorities and now I earn well as a software engineer, am building a new life I thought wasn’t possible for my family, moved them to another county instead of trying to replace the dictators cuz that’s less realistic. Simple shit that builds up. Want free healthcare? Move to free healthcare. More efficient than crying for it and becoming bankrupt.
I dont have enuogh context to judge whos in the right if anyone. You expressed a staple liberal perspective, one socialists strongly disagree with. Unless you were angsty, minipulitive or abusive, theres no valid reason to delete another’s opinion the way you claimed they did. I think defederation of 2 reasonable groups from eachother is bad because ideas and culture becomes badly inbread for both sides.
Edit: lemmygrad isn’t reasonable
Lemmygrad is a cesspool of pseudo intellectual unemployed neckbeards complaining about how oppressed they are under the yoke of capitalism, from their mother’s basement in Wisconsin.
Good riddance to it.
I’m catching whiffs of Michigan and Ohio as well.
Perfectly worded and 100% accurate. I’ve honestly even started losing my faith with this instance, you just bought me some time!
What’s great about thier crying about being oppressed with Capitalism, is doing nothing but ranting about their Unions getting them… wait for it, MORE MONEY! Ahahahahaha. The Irony. I say that as a Union guy, but being in a Union isn’t my religion like it is theirs.
Tankies mad
“Cowards” lol
They literally just ban you if you start to pick apart their bullshit opinions.
Proudly banned from !GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml
Oh hey me too! High five!
we should make t-shirts
“You chose to not have to listen to our bullshit? Cowards!”
Lmao posted to the Communism community. How is this about communism? It isn’t. It’s just that to them, everything is about communism.
When you’re called a coward you know it’s a W because it just means you don’t want to be dragged down to their level
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beautiful
tankies gonna tank
You guys were still federated with Lemmygrad this long?
The phrasing of “an increase in hate speech and calls to violence” suggests that there is a tolerable level of those.
I’m pro voilence against people who block grocery store entrances because they figured that was the best place to chat with someone they ran into… so yes.
People going slow in the fast lane on the freeway
Escalefters 🤬
Most of their communities were blocked since months, that’s why you didn’t see much of them.
Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered. However, your freedom ends when it crosses over someone else’s. Good riddance, i had blocked most of lemmygrad’s communities anyways, since all they did was spread propaganda and hate.
Love the mod team (being ex-reddit, never thought I’d say that), the transparency and clarity of their communication with the community is great!
Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered.
Not content-sharing with a website also isn’t in any way a violation or stifling of free speech. Lemmygrad still exists. If you want to know what they’re saying, you can go see it.
Freedom of speech does not guarantee an audience, and all that.
Amen to the mod part! Shows just what forum admins actually caring about said forum’s community can do for it
Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered.
This is as good a place as any to point out that if we federate again after users have the ability to block instances, brigadeers with ill intent will ensure that some opinions are heard more than others.
What is it they say, tolerance of intolerance only allows the spread of intolerance.
Not every opinion should be heard, because some people’s opinions are positively draconian and annoying.
Before I saw lemmygrad: wtf are we doing?
After I saw lemmygrad: glad we defederate…
About time.
Tolerating intolerance will only lead to intolerance.
I mean, true, but this does sound like a Michael Scott quote lol
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Lmfao
It’s kinda fun watching liberals realize that Bolsheviks aren’t leftists
it’s rad when a political position built on a lot of background knowledge is dismissed by people who lack that knowledge and have lived their whole lives in the global capital of anticommunist propaganda
And we pumped just, just, dozens of stories about Cuban atrocities, Cuban rapists, uh, in one case we had the Cuban rapists caught and tried by the Ovimunda maidens who had been their victims, and then we ran photographs that made almost every newspaper in the country of the Cubans being executed by the Ovimunda women who had supposedly been their victims.
These were fake photos?
Oh, absolutely. We didn’t know of one single atrocity committed by the Cubans. It was pure, raw, false propaganda to create an illusion of communists, you know, eating babies for breakfast and that sort — totally false propaganda.
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There are plenty of people (including those in power in some countries) that absolutely lie about capitalism.
Their lies, although clearly in support of other regimes, don’t make capitalism any less shitty.
Likewise, some capitalist lying about communism doesn’t make communism any less shitty.
They are both crappy systems, and they lead into each other, because at their core, they tend towards different and opposite kinds of violation.
neither are liberals
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I fully support this. I don’t think instances that breed hate and radicalization should be allowed an audience.
I have seen so much propoganda, hate, and lunacy from that instance since I joined Lemmy.
Besides I’m not supporting lemmygrad, put any “radicalization” as bad in a world that would burn alive if we don’t stop old ppl seems stupid.
Lemmy.ml has a lot of people who agree with Hamas’ actions too. Disgusting people.
