Not being able to see anything when closing my eyes and not constantly hearing a voice in my head. I have aphantasia and thought people were always seeking metaphorically about seeing things in their head.
I only more recently learnt that people actually hear things as well as in like an internal monologue. To me, the whole thing sounds exhausting.
Very exhausting, especially when your stupid brain makes you roleplay possible future conversations with people in your head all day. Difficult to focus and so exhausting
Oh, I have that as well, it’s just more like … data, I guess? I think sometimes what I wrote makes people think I have no imagination or creativity; I definitely do but it’s just different.
I assume it’s the way I think of 3d objects which is that I have some sort feeling of its shape and the distance of a point to one of its surfaces. So just something that doesn’t mimic a standard sense.
I still have the voice (and the music…) just no pictures, except when I’m really tired and it’s dark. It’s funny because a friend of mine has the exact opposite (pictures but no voice).
Think I have this. Only time I can really picture anything. At least above a part of a vague shape or higher resolution, is when I’ve recently woken up. Even then it’s a hit or miss. Wonder if it’s a wall to creativity.
In both cases, the words just… go straight from words to comprehension? It’s kind of hard to answer that question, because introspection of the process isn’t possible. I mean, I just look at words and know what they mean. From experience, I think I read about 3 times faster than most other people, what with not having to wait to hear them spoken by an internal voice. (Subtitles in the same language as the audio are maddening, because I can’t not read them, and then have to wait so long for the speech to catch up.)
You are assuming the internal voice is more of a presence. Its more the background exhaust of thinking. I don’t have to listen to my inner voice say it, as I read silently they just fall out the back of my head as I go.
The subtitles thing is odd. I also read them instantly but it’s not a bother. Spend the rest of the time focusing on other things ksyaed of what they’re trying to say. It’s lovely
Not being able to see anything when closing my eyes and not constantly hearing a voice in my head. I have aphantasia and thought people were always seeking metaphorically about seeing things in their head.
I only more recently learnt that people actually hear things as well as in like an internal monologue. To me, the whole thing sounds exhausting.
Very exhausting, especially when your stupid brain makes you roleplay possible future conversations with people in your head all day. Difficult to focus and so exhausting
Oh, I have that as well, it’s just more like … data, I guess? I think sometimes what I wrote makes people think I have no imagination or creativity; I definitely do but it’s just different.
Oh, we can do that, just without the voice.
how can you think of words if not… thinking of the words? That’s really interesting
I am thinking of the words, I’m just not hearing them. Why would those be one and the same?
I assume it’s the way I think of 3d objects which is that I have some sort feeling of its shape and the distance of a point to one of its surfaces. So just something that doesn’t mimic a standard sense.
I still have the voice (and the music…) just no pictures, except when I’m really tired and it’s dark. It’s funny because a friend of mine has the exact opposite (pictures but no voice).
And then there’s people like me, who can make an audio-visual tour in their minds, see things in color, moving pictures, hear sound, feel touch.
Took me a long time to actually focus on mundane tasks and not doing them on autopilot.
It is indeed exhausting! Warm regards, Joe(s)
Think I have this. Only time I can really picture anything. At least above a part of a vague shape or higher resolution, is when I’ve recently woken up. Even then it’s a hit or miss. Wonder if it’s a wall to creativity.
Fwiw I suck at visual art but was a musician who at least made some money at it (all original music), and ran d&d campaigns and such.
I was 41 when I realised…
What happens when you think? There’s not a voice? How about when you read?
In both cases, the words just… go straight from words to comprehension? It’s kind of hard to answer that question, because introspection of the process isn’t possible. I mean, I just look at words and know what they mean. From experience, I think I read about 3 times faster than most other people, what with not having to wait to hear them spoken by an internal voice. (Subtitles in the same language as the audio are maddening, because I can’t not read them, and then have to wait so long for the speech to catch up.)
You are assuming the internal voice is more of a presence. Its more the background exhaust of thinking. I don’t have to listen to my inner voice say it, as I read silently they just fall out the back of my head as I go.
I have the same experience including the thing with subtitles. What’s the connection between the no-internal-voice and the maddening subtitles?
Just that I read them so quickly, I’m ready for the show it movie to move on to the next scene, and have to wait for the dialog to catch up.
The subtitles thing is odd. I also read them instantly but it’s not a bother. Spend the rest of the time focusing on other things ksyaed of what they’re trying to say. It’s lovely
My inner monologue, is just a stream of words, it isn’t encumbered by a voice.
To me that sounds like “I just walk around without taking any steps.”
If you think that is strange, I can rotate 3D objects in my head but there are no images.
There’s a whole episode on that topic here
https://pca.st/episode/ff2685cb-5ee7-4299-9fe6-fa430d9fe591
No monologue for me but I do have aphantasia
I’m still pretty fucking angry everyone else gets a super power