Anyone else. Throw Bernie’s half animated corpse up there as the candidate. Congrats he would’ve won. Because he wasnt a cop trying to get elected to the anticop party, nor far right economically trying to get elected to the center right party.
Bernie’s name wasn’t on my ballot so he couldn’t have been a viable opponent. The only person on the ballot with any chance of beating Trump was Harris.
Bear in mind, I think the Dems could have run a much a stronger ticket with someone other than Harris but that doesn’t change the fact that she was the only viable competition in the election that actually happened.
Cool, you know you can write in the candidate, right?
In any case if dems wanted to be elected, they could try not being republican. Even in the face of fascism no self respecting person would vote for a republican.
Are we just going to do the same thing in 2028, with, using your word, a nonviable candidate?
Probably. If we’re still doing elections that is.
You all seem to think I’m saying that Harris was a good candidate. My only point is that she was the ONLY other option we had on the ballot. That, in and of itself, is a massive problem.
The fact you’re reduced her to a cop is showing you’re headfirst in the koolaid
She was literally responsible for police reform. You know, shit like making them wear body cams and undergo training to recognise bias, as well as community programs to get people back into the community as opposed to branded criminals for life. You know, the shit you want to happen. And all that for one state - one of your most progressive.
She’d even proudly declared herself California’s “top cop” in 2016 —two years after the Ferguson protests. Marcotte has things backward. In a climate where Democrats still felt they had to pander to the law-and-order crowd, “Kamala is a cop” was the nuance.
These legitimate critiques, not trolls hiding behind computer screens, gave the “Kamala is a cop” meme its power. Black Americans, who have wildly disproportionate contact with police and prisons, had cause to be wary of a presidential candidate, even a Black woman, who not only made her bones in the criminal justice system but adduced her work there to the case for her presidency. On Black Twitter, the meme was a reminder, not an explanation. Early on, Harris struggled to attract Black voters. Some were concerned about her electability, while others were truly mistrustful of her record and her promise to be the “progressive prosecutor” candidate.
At 00:32:19 her speech begins, which has (via the transcript):
ELECTED FIRST WOMAN OF COLOR TO BE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN STATE OF CALIFORNIA IN 2003. [APPLAUSE] AND I NOW STAND BEFORE YOU AS THE TOP COP OF THE BIGGEST STATE IN THE COUNTRY, NO OFFENSE ERIC SCHNEIDERMAN. [LAUGHTER]
Bernie is too old, didn’t want to run. AOC was too young until less than a month before the general election, didn’t want to run. Andrew Yang is actually kind of a weirdo in the bad take a look closer (check out the description of his Forward Party).
Or Pelosi and co can just tell literally anyone “Hey, our polls have Biden at 5% chance, and Kamala couldn’t even win her own state in the primary. Your policies poll better than anyone else in congress, if you don’t run, Trump will win.”
But it would have been easier just to tell Kamala “Hey, these are the policies that will give you the best turnout, free healthcare, free college, rent control/lower housing costs, tax cuts for the workers, increased taxes on billionaires.” and tell Biden “Here’s a stack of executive orders, they directly improve the conditions of the people we need to vote for us. The SCOTUS will complain, laugh at them. Also stop sending weapons to Israel you fucking monster”
People don’t vote on policies. Do you think Trump won because everyone loved his concepts of a plan?
People vote on vibes. Right wingers vote on the vibes of how much they can own liberals and the left. Liberals vote to protect themselves from the right. Leftists vote… just kidding leftists don’t vote, they let everyone know how pure and clean their hands are and how voting doesn’t work anyway, and then wonder why they don’t get representation.
At the moment, yes. I’m also frequently wrong, there’s too much information in the world for me to process it all, so that’s the best conclusion I can make with the information I have.
If you can make an argument for anyone else being a more viable candidate against Trump, then give it to me.
This is bullshit though, please actually explain how Kamala is the most viable opposition to Trump? Trump is far right, and Kamala is a centrist conservative. America is further right than you think it is, Kamala is in no way shape or form an opposition.
Kamala is right wing. Trump is further right wing, guess who is gonna win?
You mentioned opposition, then where is your opposition party? Trump is a by product, you just explained how you get fascism.
Just a Wealth tax lmfao, and thats it? Fuck. How’d that work out?
Shes a neoliberal and def right wing. America is so far right wing you think anyone that calls themself a democrat is an opposition. America’s two party system keeps going further right
They didn’t say both parties were the same. In fact they made a point to distinguish the two I think. They just said both were right wing. There’s lots of different right wing parties in the world. They’re not all the same. Not even remotely the same.
They did not distinguish the parties in any meaningful way. Right and left are just labels, and if you make your entire personality about purity testing most of the world into not being left enough to be in your in-group, you will cultivate no worker solidarity.
Anti- Biden/Kamala influencers helped elect Trump. The biggest of those influencers were the mainstream media. The double standard of reporting (Biden/Harris vs Trump) is very well documented. (And the ring-kissing is approaching authoritarian levels now.) Ideas that actual grassroots would-be Democrat voters sabotaged the the Democrats’ success in the election is much less certain, but perhaps a more attractive version of reality than the big-money-funded pro right-wing system we’re up against. Less in-fighting amongst the left please
She was objectively much better than Trump. Hopefully in the future Americans have the single transferable vote for presidential elections so they can vote for other candidates in other parties.
Trump, the farthest right viable candidate, was elected because he got the most votes.
Regardless of your feelings about her, Kamala was the most viable opposition to Trump.
Some people were most active being anti-Kamala.
In your opinion, did the anti-Kamala influencers hurt Trump’s election, or did they help Trump’s election?
You really believe that, huh?
Who, in our shitty 2 party system, had a better chance?
Anyone else. Throw Bernie’s half animated corpse up there as the candidate. Congrats he would’ve won. Because he wasnt a cop trying to get elected to the anticop party, nor far right economically trying to get elected to the center right party.
Bernie’s name wasn’t on my ballot so he couldn’t have been a viable opponent. The only person on the ballot with any chance of beating Trump was Harris.
Bear in mind, I think the Dems could have run a much a stronger ticket with someone other than Harris but that doesn’t change the fact that she was the only viable competition in the election that actually happened.
Cool, you know you can write in the candidate, right?
In any case if dems wanted to be elected, they could try not being republican. Even in the face of fascism no self respecting person would vote for a republican.
The key wordyou seems to be missing is “viable.”
Well Harris wasn’t a viable candidate, as proven by her ridiculous loss against one of the most hated men in history.
Same goes for Clinton. And Biden was polling worse than Harris before his handlers finally made him pull out.
So which neoliberal is a viable candidate again?
Are we just going to do the same thing in 2028, with, using your word, a nonviable candidate?
Probably. If we’re still doing elections that is.
You all seem to think I’m saying that Harris was a good candidate. My only point is that she was the ONLY other option we had on the ballot. That, in and of itself, is a massive problem.
Would love to have whatever drugs you need to think writing someone in would have actually been a good idea
It had a better chance than a rightwing cop trying to get elected to the dem party, or an even more senile Biden.
You can’t run incredibly right wing candidates and expect anyone to vote for them, unless you’re running them in the furthest right party.
The fact you’re reduced her to a cop is showing you’re headfirst in the koolaid
She was literally responsible for police reform. You know, shit like making them wear body cams and undergo training to recognise bias, as well as community programs to get people back into the community as opposed to branded criminals for life. You know, the shit you want to happen. And all that for one state - one of your most progressive.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/kamala-harris-police-biden-vp-pick-california-senate-a9662801.html
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/12/kamala-was-a-cop-black-people-knew-it-first/
https://www.c-span.org/program/campaign-2016/new-york-delegation-breakfast/450152
At 00:32:19 her speech begins, which has (via the transcript):
Bernie, AOC, Andrew Yang off the top of my head
Bernie is too old, didn’t want to run. AOC was too young until less than a month before the general election, didn’t want to run. Andrew Yang is actually kind of a weirdo in the bad take a look closer (check out the description of his Forward Party).
Anybody else?
So you asked for who is better, but since you dont like any of them, they wont do. Rocket dragon is the decider of all things politicians guys.
You should have just said so in the first place and we coulda saved time.
I love Bernie and AOC both, but what’s your plan, hold a gun to their head and force them to run?
Or Pelosi and co can just tell literally anyone “Hey, our polls have Biden at 5% chance, and Kamala couldn’t even win her own state in the primary. Your policies poll better than anyone else in congress, if you don’t run, Trump will win.”
But it would have been easier just to tell Kamala “Hey, these are the policies that will give you the best turnout, free healthcare, free college, rent control/lower housing costs, tax cuts for the workers, increased taxes on billionaires.” and tell Biden “Here’s a stack of executive orders, they directly improve the conditions of the people we need to vote for us. The SCOTUS will complain, laugh at them. Also stop sending weapons to Israel you fucking monster”
People don’t vote on policies. Do you think Trump won because everyone loved his concepts of a plan?
People vote on vibes. Right wingers vote on the vibes of how much they can own liberals and the left. Liberals vote to protect themselves from the right. Leftists vote… just kidding leftists don’t vote, they let everyone know how pure and clean their hands are and how voting doesn’t work anyway, and then wonder why they don’t get representation.
Which of those 3 were nominated?
I’m not saying they wouldn’t have been better options. They simply weren’t options.
Gee I wonder why they werent options!
Lmao
She lost to trump
At the moment, yes. I’m also frequently wrong, there’s too much information in the world for me to process it all, so that’s the best conclusion I can make with the information I have.
If you can make an argument for anyone else being a more viable candidate against Trump, then give it to me.
Exactly what the other guy said.
This is bullshit though, please actually explain how Kamala is the most viable opposition to Trump? Trump is far right, and Kamala is a centrist conservative. America is further right than you think it is, Kamala is in no way shape or form an opposition.
Kamala is right wing. Trump is further right wing, guess who is gonna win?
You mentioned opposition, then where is your opposition party? Trump is a by product, you just explained how you get fascism.
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Just a Wealth tax lmfao, and thats it? Fuck. How’d that work out?
Shes a neoliberal and def right wing. America is so far right wing you think anyone that calls themself a democrat is an opposition. America’s two party system keeps going further right
But demonrats bad, what’s so hard to understand?
“Both parties are the same” is muddying the waters in ways that always benefits the fascists.
They didn’t say both parties were the same. In fact they made a point to distinguish the two I think. They just said both were right wing. There’s lots of different right wing parties in the world. They’re not all the same. Not even remotely the same.
They did not distinguish the parties in any meaningful way. Right and left are just labels, and if you make your entire personality about purity testing most of the world into not being left enough to be in your in-group, you will cultivate no worker solidarity.
Anti- Biden/Kamala influencers helped elect Trump. The biggest of those influencers were the mainstream media. The double standard of reporting (Biden/Harris vs Trump) is very well documented. (And the ring-kissing is approaching authoritarian levels now.) Ideas that actual grassroots would-be Democrat voters sabotaged the the Democrats’ success in the election is much less certain, but perhaps a more attractive version of reality than the big-money-funded pro right-wing system we’re up against. Less in-fighting amongst the left please
Kamala is right wing. Trump is further right wing. Guess who is gonna win?
She was objectively much better than Trump. Hopefully in the future Americans have the single transferable vote for presidential elections so they can vote for other candidates in other parties.