I’m not talking about rent, I’m talking about the massive credit card and loan debt that has propped up millions of folks trying to live a lifestyle they can’t really afford. In the US, it’s incredibly common for folks to just take on debt for stupid shit, like a jacked up truck they only ever use to drive to the grocery store.
this is the 6th time in the past 2 days i see this argument. blaming the people for using the system that has been forced on us over the past 20 years to bolster GDP.
it’s not just america. the entire west had to switch from the keynesian system to the friedman system after america and the uk’s pinochet experiment. unfortunately friedmans system doesn’t work if everyone does it; and the patch is currently to take advantage of the poor as new loan takers are born every day and it’s currently the only way to inject more cash into the economy.
It’s not disinformation. Those jackasses with $70k trucks aren’t paying cash. The folks living in McMansions aren’t paying cash either. Tons of folks in the US live beyond their means and simply take on debt to finance it.
Accusing everyone who raises a point you don’t like of “astroturfing” only makes you look like a paranoid jackass. Now, kindly, do fuck off.
when we (capitalist nations) stopped taxing the rich; it already started going south in the 90ies with the housing crisis and some radical adjustments that had been made to rights of business and the rich vs workers, and they had to find a way to keep re-injecting money into the economy now that infinite growth had come to a crawl because friedmans experiment in chile turned out to not actually work long-term. it’s part of the reason why we had the bank crisis in 2008, and the UK was actually the cause of it, but iceland became the fall guy. they were lending out money that didn’t exist, and the money you paid back was taken as profits. after the crisis, they had to figured out a new way to do it as they couldn’t increase taxes on the rich (thanks reagan), and the new way was by lowering rates, dismantling social housing and similar services, etc. while artificially increasing house costs etc. this way - not only are there no affordable housing; but you are socially encouraged to take loans that you can’t afford. so all these now socially acceptable burdens like house loans, car loans, school loans, etc. have been created solely to keep GDP going up and to re-inject money into the economy now that the rich gets to act like black holes sucking everything up from everyone else.
so, sure, it’s the poors fault that friedman economics put in action by reagan didn’t actually work and they had to patch it by forcing the underclass (new suckers born every day who are eventually forced to take a loan and re-inject into the economy) in an infinite growth economy with finite resources.
The fuck is wrong with you?! Understand that this started with me suggesting a fucking debt-strike. Just because I mentioned how, YES, many of us do live well beyond our means due to debt, doesn’t mean I’m blaming everything on the poor. You are out of your fucking mind.
Oh, you don’t like pop-rocks??? YOU MUST BE A NAZI!!! Fuck off. That’s the level of insanity I’m seeing here.
Ah shit it’s so simple to relocate. Just sell everything you own, cut ties with everyone you know, and move to a country that just offers citizenship to anyone that asks.
I don’t know why everyone hasn’t done that already.
I haven’t mentioned rent, I’ve mentioned cost of living …which includes rent, as well as shopping bills, gas and electric, car payments, clothes, holidays.
My point was the people not be able to pay credit card debt.
Lower cost of living areas pay lower wages though, so unless you remote work a high paying job or commute, the numbers are lower but the ratios are the same.
This works great up until the point where a collection agency comes for your property and/or credit rating. I’m not saying don’t strike, but do it with full knowledge there may be repercussions.
Just don’t pay. Debt-strikes are far more damaging than a work-stoppage.
It’s most likely that people won’t have a choice. Many people, anyway, from what I understand of USian wages and cost of living.
I’m not talking about rent, I’m talking about the massive credit card and loan debt that has propped up millions of folks trying to live a lifestyle they can’t really afford. In the US, it’s incredibly common for folks to just take on debt for stupid shit, like a jacked up truck they only ever use to drive to the grocery store.
Groceries.
The debt is for groceries.
Super wealthy people portray it like you just did, but what you said isn’t accurate.
People are putting basic necessities on credit cards now.
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this is the 6th time in the past 2 days i see this argument. blaming the people for using the system that has been forced on us over the past 20 years to bolster GDP.
i smell an attempted narrative change.
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this is a bit bigger than joe smoe overspending on his credit cards.
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it’s not just america. the entire west had to switch from the keynesian system to the friedman system after america and the uk’s pinochet experiment. unfortunately friedmans system doesn’t work if everyone does it; and the patch is currently to take advantage of the poor as new loan takers are born every day and it’s currently the only way to inject more cash into the economy.
Lol, okay buddy.
i mean, if your not astroturfing then don’t spread disinformation?
It’s not disinformation. Those jackasses with $70k trucks aren’t paying cash. The folks living in McMansions aren’t paying cash either. Tons of folks in the US live beyond their means and simply take on debt to finance it.
Accusing everyone who raises a point you don’t like of “astroturfing” only makes you look like a paranoid jackass. Now, kindly, do fuck off.
when we (capitalist nations) stopped taxing the rich; it already started going south in the 90ies with the housing crisis and some radical adjustments that had been made to rights of business and the rich vs workers, and they had to find a way to keep re-injecting money into the economy now that infinite growth had come to a crawl because friedmans experiment in chile turned out to not actually work long-term. it’s part of the reason why we had the bank crisis in 2008, and the UK was actually the cause of it, but iceland became the fall guy. they were lending out money that didn’t exist, and the money you paid back was taken as profits. after the crisis, they had to figured out a new way to do it as they couldn’t increase taxes on the rich (thanks reagan), and the new way was by lowering rates, dismantling social housing and similar services, etc. while artificially increasing house costs etc. this way - not only are there no affordable housing; but you are socially encouraged to take loans that you can’t afford. so all these now socially acceptable burdens like house loans, car loans, school loans, etc. have been created solely to keep GDP going up and to re-inject money into the economy now that the rich gets to act like black holes sucking everything up from everyone else.
so, sure, it’s the poors fault that friedman economics put in action by reagan didn’t actually work and they had to patch it by forcing the underclass (new suckers born every day who are eventually forced to take a loan and re-inject into the economy) in an infinite growth economy with finite resources.
The fuck is wrong with you?! Understand that this started with me suggesting a fucking debt-strike. Just because I mentioned how, YES, many of us do live well beyond our means due to debt, doesn’t mean I’m blaming everything on the poor. You are out of your fucking mind.
Oh, you don’t like pop-rocks??? YOU MUST BE A NAZI!!! Fuck off. That’s the level of insanity I’m seeing here.
the most debt held by americans is from medical expenses
These days you have to take out thousands in credit card debt to buy breakfast.
Just stop eating so much avocado toast!
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Ah shit it’s so simple to relocate. Just sell everything you own, cut ties with everyone you know, and move to a country that just offers citizenship to anyone that asks.
I don’t know why everyone hasn’t done that already.
I haven’t mentioned rent, I’ve mentioned cost of living …which includes rent, as well as shopping bills, gas and electric, car payments, clothes, holidays.
My point was the people not be able to pay credit card debt.
American wages vary as greatly with degrees as cost of living does with location.
Lower cost of living areas pay lower wages though, so unless you remote work a high paying job or commute, the numbers are lower but the ratios are the same.
No, that’s not necessarily true at all. Nor is the concept unique to America. Plenty of smaller cities that aren’t NY, LA, etc. I live in one.
This works great up until the point where a collection agency comes for your property and/or credit rating. I’m not saying don’t strike, but do it with full knowledge there may be repercussions.
Why was this blocked by an instance filter?
Because .world is biased and has their own agenda.
Am I getting censored here now too? This is getting really exhausting.