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@PugJesus@lemmy.worldM to NonCredibleDefense@lemmy.worldEnglish • 4 months ago

Understandable, we should pay up

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Understandable, we should pay up

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@PugJesus@lemmy.worldM to NonCredibleDefense@lemmy.worldEnglish • 4 months ago
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  • @VeryInterestingTable@lemm.ee
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    0•4 months ago

    Sure let’s talk about Normandy.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_liberation_of_France

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      More specifically, Lilly estimated that U.S. servicemen committed around 3,500 rapes in France between June 1944 and the end of the war.[10]

      Rape per capita in 2022 France: ~116 per 100,000 men

      Rape per capita in 2022 England and Wales: ~234 per 100,000 men

      Number of American troops in France during WW2: ~2,300,000

      Estimated American rape per capita in WW2 France: ~152 per 100,000 American soldiers

      By those numbers, it would be safer to be a French woman with an American soldier in WW2, than to be a woman with an English man today.

      • @notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
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        cut this crap.

        1. Your numbers are wrong cherrypicked
        2. Your hypothesis is wrong
        3. Your conclusion is wrong

        https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country

        • @PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPM
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          Your numbers are wrong

          https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country

          By your own source, it would be 118 per 100,000 men in France and 218 per 100,000 men in England and Wales.

          • @notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
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            You appear to bend the numbers every step of the way to support a conclusion you simply can’t draw. Here’s the laundry list of issues:

            1. The reported numbers of today and the estimated numbers from 1944 are uncomparable I find it crazy to use a multiplier within the same scale to 1944 rapes as to 2022 rape.

            A) Reporting patterns changed over the years: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_France #Statistics)]

            B) Definitions had changed over the years such as inclusion of marital rape which : [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_France#Marital_rape] [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jo-Lovett/publication/238713283_Home_Office_Research_Study_293_A_gap_or_a_chasm_Attrition_in_reported_rape_cases/links/00b7d52a09b4935e0e000000/Home-Office-Research-Study-293-A-gap-or-a-chasm-Attrition-in-reported-rape-cases.pdf]

            C) Increases happened in inclusion of female perpetrators into the convictions (it’s about 4% in France but it’s still a major shift from 0%) [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1085508/people-indicted-sexual-violence-france-gender-age/] and male victims in the estimates [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8713172/]

            D) Age of consent was redefined over the years, with now 3rd of 2022 rapes were committed against underaged girls (younger than 15) in France.

            2. You can’t draw conclusions on population distribution-dependent statistics, by assuming a 50-50% distribution but a 100% perpetration rate by one sex. In fact natives males are quartered diffusely with females, whereas solders are quartered with males predominantly and thus the distribution is uneven. Since the majority of present-day rapes happen between current or past intimate partners (60%), the patterns are very much different. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1158136009000486?casa_token=egmg2OrX84oAAAAA:an10FT7p5uFwGrxUWjhU1IH3Awc6oOR8tyrEZlkuqE88WHE7R-pcvEmCyTYY9EYJap6yFJA3

            The fair way to compare these stats is to that of German and Russian forces from the same time, which is totally fair game. But bending numbers to claim that women were safer with GI Joes in 1944 than in present days is just fucking bullshit.

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