James Zogby, the president of the Arab American Institute, told CNN's Brianna Keilar on Wednesday that many Muslim voters are regretting the decisions they made in the 2024 presidential election.As Keilar noted while interviewing Zogby, Trump received a major boost from Muslim voters in 2024 due to ...
People here still blaming this on minority voters are deafeningly silent on party leadership holding the coalition hostage over AIPAC funding
Stop directing your anger at people being robbed of basic representation instead of political actors who are gleefully accepting blood money to turn against their constituents and a blind eye to genocide
We know they’re war-criminals. There’s still a difference between that and leveling the place for a hotel. Trump gleefully accepted $100m from Adelson for the west bank.
Stop assuming we’re pro-dems and not just anti-trump.
Gaza is fully leveled and Trump had nothing to do with it.
Not yet it isn’t and yes, he did. He announced it the other day. The ethnic clensing of 2M people
I’m not assuming you’re pro-dems, I’m pointing out that their loss is entirely attributable to their own political mis-calculation on top of their efforts to gaslight Americans about their roll and knowledge of the crimes being committed on their behalf.
Blaming voters for reacting to the Democrats’ policy decisions - including the moderates they alienated - is simply yet another attempt to obscure the facts that lead us to this moment.
Probably more to do with the mass delusion and post truth world we live in.
And yes, enabling the greater evil is a failing of the people who voted against their interests because less evil wasn’t good enough.
Democrats enabled the greater evil by ignoring the interests of the constituencies they needed to win. It doesn’t matter if the lesser evil is objectively the right choice - they still need millions of people to go to the booth and make that choice, and nobody has more control over voter enthusiasm than the democrats themselves.
This is nobody’s fault but the democrats.
Individuals are reponsible for their actions. They didn’t need to support the dems just have a spine and vote against Trump.
They did enable the greater evil, but it was voters who ultimately put them in office, not Democrats. The buck stops with the voters. Or it did - they made sure it won’t any more.
Guess I’ll just repeat myself:
“they still need millions of people to go to the booth and make that choice, and nobody has more control over voter enthusiasm than the democrats themselves”
If you want to play games with abstracting agency away from the people who had control of the entire situation, go nuts. But not only did the democrats have every opportunity to make the case for themselves, but they also dug the grave they’re now laying in by building their platform around AIPAC money (and large corporate donors) to begin with.
The democrats simply cannot win with the political machine they’ve constructed anymore.
Congratulations on helping trump win. You’re partially responsible when Gaza goes bye bye. Not the Dems.
If all it took for trump to win was a handful of internet weirdos to loudly oppose an active genocide then maybe the democrats were never going to win in the first place.
You realize the person you’re responding to LITERALLY believes the same about you, right?
That’s their entire point.
Throwing a not-that-pithy “This is all your fault” won’t even phase them. Would it phase you if they did it to you?
Because they didn’t cut ties with Israel? There’s no reality in which America is going to break up with their most important ally in the Middle East. Did you want Democrats to lie that they’d break ties so they could win and then go back on that promise? Flip flopping like that is what leads a country to having exactly zero allies.
I guess they had faith in Americans to be informed enough to know that despite not being perfect, they’re INFINITELY better than Republicans. But that faith was 100% misplaced because Americans, my friend, are DUMB.
Because - far from ‘cutting ties’ with Israel - they actively shielded them from international accountability and continued supplying them with the bombs they were (and are still) dropping on Palestinian children
That is literally the fucking opposite of how voting works. You only got two choices for a winner here Biden or trump and not voting Biden = trump.
You guys seem to think there’s a 3rd option here.
First past the post voting literally shows otherwise. You are a fool.
This is the shit that drives me nuts. No matter how many fucking times you explain it, they just cannot wrap their heads around this for some reason. Or they refuse to.
I’m not accusing anyone of being pro-dems, I’m pointing out that this line of reporting is intentionally misdirecting anger at voters - who can literally only react to the policies and governance of the democrats as they are - instead of the democrats sabotaging themselves for thinking they could have their cake and eat it too.
Thinking that the democrats could participate in a highly-publicized genocide and not lose any voters is folly, but then turning around blaming the voters for the loss of votes is beyond hubris and well into delusion. Anyone with eyes could see this loss coming from a mile away and was screaming at the democrats to change course.
It doesn’t matter if Democrats aren’t picture perfect. Anyone willing to rub brain cells together knows they’re infinitely better at governing than Republicans, including in regards to Palestine, and should vote accordingly. I don’t need the Democrats to cup my balls and talk dirty to me to know the smarter move is to vote for them. I don’t need to be courted every fucking election or my vote goes to a proto-fascist or I don’t vote at all.
The majority of the fault is squarely on voters, not Democrats. Because they didn’t fucking inform themselves responsibly.
A little less than half of all eligible voters don’t vote in any given federal election - multiple factors more than the margin of every race; can we blame those people for every atrocity conducted on our behalf, too?
The outcome of every election since our founding was determined by how many people the candidates can get to turn out for them -that didn’t suddenly change this time. Democrats chose to spend their efforts trying to disabuse their constituents of their moral objections and deny any real domestic reform, and they lost because of it.
But the voters are to blame. So is the DNC. Both suck…bad. Unfortunately, the majority of Americans, including their political representative, are more concerned with propping up failing capitalism than actually fixing solvable world issues. At this point, I find it impossible to envision creating enough public and political support for actual change unless the entire economic system burns down. My fear is that instead of galvanizing the working class, ian economic collapse is only going to create a vacuum to be filled by the next fascist to secure even greater control.
If you have a practical solution, i’d love to hear it.
Votes for Dems completely unconditionally and demands others do the same "Why does everyone keep assuming we’re pro-Dem? Don’t they know that we send negative energy waves through our mind palaces towards zionist Dems all the time?"
Boy, I really love when people on the internet think they know a single fucking thing about me. Every conversation I have on here about this topic always ends up with the person making some ridiculous straw man. You have no real response, so you instead just create a shitty argument that nobody here made and then act all smug when you “shut it down.” It’s so predictable.
I have been on Lemmy for the grand total of one election, guy, how the fuck do you come to the conclusion that I, “vote for Dems completely unconditionally”? You fuckers are allergic to good faith discussion.
Oh, my mistake. So if you don’t vote for them unconditionally then you think it’s acceptable to place conditions on voting for them. Would you say that “not supporting genocide” is a reasonable condition, or do you draw the line at something worse than genocide?
Oh my God. You did it. You were right to keep trying because it worked, you’re 100% correct. Your incredibly deep and insightful analysis was extremely valuable. Good job.
It’s like you know me better than anyone else I’ve ever met. Would you like to exchange information? I have been in need of a new lover.
Nothing I’ve said has made any assumptions about you at all. I’m merely describing your express position. You’re using sarcasm as a cheap trick to mask your inability to defend it, but I’m not sure who you’re supposed to be fooling.
Please elaborate what the party leadership could’ve done differently to not alienate the other voting blocks mentioned.
They could have defended the lives of Palestinians and acknowledged that the genocide was happening.
It was Biden’s press secretary and SOS who got up on a podium everyday and assured the press and those “other voters” that Israel wasn’t doing anything wrong. They drew that line themselves, not anyone who was protesting the genocide.
And this is how trump got elected. Have some self awareness and knowledge of game theory.
Why do you criticize regular people about game theory and not the actual people crafting the strategy to win an election?
Because regular adults should be responsible enough to see through blatant manipulation by blatantly bad actors. And if they can’t, that’s no one else’s fault but their own.
That’s not an answer to why you hold regular people to account for their actions but not the politicians and strategists actually running the campaign.
Also it wasn’t “manipulation”. The genocide actually happened.
He’s literally spreading misinformation and I posted links to prove it.
And he’s being upvoted and you’re being downvoted. Which makes your comment even more poignant. Fucking internet man. Humans simply weren’t ready for it.
How short is your memory?
Biden expressed disapproval multiple times.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-3591fb5f82b22cf8e5d1060fccaef115
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/17/biden-netanyahu-sinwar-gaza-war
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/13/biden-speaks-with-israels-netanyahu-urges-immediate-ceasefire-in-gaza
Whether intentional or not, you are spreading misinformation. The same kind that got Trump and Musk into the Oval Office. And people are upvoting you. Congrats.
This one is kinda funny to me because people interpret trump saying nearly the same words is evidence of his genocidal intent.
But none of those ‘statements of disapproval’ conveys the severity of their literal fucking war crimes and genocide, which would be a minimum (I would think) to convince a skeptical zionist voter that maybe some intervention is justified. Not to mention that Harris repeatedly refused to commit to withholding lethal aid every time she was asked during her candidacy.
There’s no reality in which the U.S. was going to seriously jeopardize its relationship with our closest ally in the middle east.
Americans had two options:
A side that expressed disapproval of Israel’s actions and floated stopping arms shipments, which Biden floated.
Or
A side with a guy who literally said Israel should finish the job and is now saying he wants to turn Gaza into a vacation destination.
I’ll let you do the math.
I find arguments that the non-voters shouldn’t be blamed for Trump because party leadership didn’t properly encourage them to vote for Harris idiotic. Everyone has a duty to educate themselves about their vote. Shifting blame to the DNC is both patronizing and destructive. The DNC sucks… You know who else sucks? people who didn’t stand up against Trump. Those people are grown ass adults who actively helped a fascist by doing nothing but bitch.
These two sentences are in contradiction
Here, see if you can spot the double standard:
“The [voters] suck… You know who else sucks? [the DNC] who didn’t stand up against [Israel]. Those people are grown ass adults who actively helped a fascist by doing nothing but bitch.”
A-Fucking-Men