• @__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    241 year ago

    I don’t understand why anyone would argue against a garden. Should my yard just be grass? Why shouldn’t I plant something I can eat in it? It doesn’t matter if it’s less efficient than industrial farming, it’s basically unused land to start with.

    • Phoenixz
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      41 year ago

      That’s because nobody is arguing that. The argument is against people saying that industrial farming is evil and should be stopped, which is a bit of a past time hobby around here.

      • @ZMoney@lemmy.world
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        11 year ago

        Monoculture is terrible for the ecosystem. Fertilizer runoff causes algal blooms and dead zones in the ocean. Multinational agricultural conglomerates force developing world farmers to purchase their GMO seeds sue them for copyright infingement if they try to use their seed stock in the next season. Rainforests are being burned down to make room for pastures of methane emitting cattle and monocultured palm oil plantations. The Haber-Bosch process is responsible for 5% of global greenhouse gas emissions. Should I go on? At what point am I supposed to like this?

        • Phoenixz
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          11 year ago

          I think at the point where you have food on the table. Without haver, you wouldn’t have food on your table and you’d die from hunger

          Nobody is claiming it’s perfect, nobody is claiming things cannot or should not be improved.

          The point is that these systems are there because like it or not, they work. Haber works, you are alive, ain’t you? Now from here on we must improve.

          Rotate crops more often, cut the stranglehold from agriculture conglomerates, lower the world population by lowering birth rates, be super 8+ billion and rising is just too much for this world to handle… Things like that.

          Either way, tonight you can eat, maybe be at least a little grateful for that?

          • @ZMoney@lemmy.world
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            11 year ago

            Haber will obviously continue to be used and work but as long as there’s a fossil fuel price to make it happen expect more extreme storms, fires, droughts, floods, ocean acidification, and possibly methane clathrate release triggering a runaway greenhouse effect like during the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum.

            • Phoenixz
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              11 year ago

              I know. Same for cars, which cause up to 25% of all CO2 exhaust, much easier to curb that. We can do with much less cars, food would be harder.

    • @Crikeste@lemm.ee
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      21 year ago

      They have to defend capitalism and the idea that overproduction is good, regardless of the waste.

      They simply don’t care, about anything but money.