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Toes♀ to 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone • 2 years ago

Glitch in the matrix

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Glitch in the matrix

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Toes♀ to 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone • 2 years ago
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  • Limitless_screaming
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    0•2 years ago

    My Casio calculators get this wrong, even the newer ones. BTW the correct answer is 16, right?

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      2•1 year ago

      the correct answer is 16, right?

      No, the correct answer is 1.

    • @Th0rgue@lemmy.world
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      Depends on the system you use. Most common system worldwide and in the academic circles (the oldest of the two) has 1 as the answer.

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        Depends on the system you use

        There are no other systems - only people who are following the actual rules of Maths and those who aren’t. And yes, 1 is the correct answer

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      0•2 years ago
      • 16 is the right answer if you use PEMDAS only: (8 ÷ 2) × (2 + 2)
      • 1 is the right answer if you use implicit/explicit with PEMDAS: 8 ÷ (2 × (2 + 2))
      • both are correct answers (as in if you don’t put in extra parentheses to reduce ambiguity, you should expect expect either answer)
      • this is also one of the reasons why postfix and prefix notations have an advantage over infix notation
        • postfix (HP, RPN, Forth): 2 2 + 8 2 ÷ × .
        • prefix (Lisp): (× (÷ 8 2) (+ 2 2))
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        2•1 year ago

        16 is the right answer if you use PEMDAS only: (8 ÷ 2) × (2 + 2)

        You added brackets and changed the answer. 2(2+2) is a single term, and if you break it up then you change the answer (because now the (2+2) is in the numerator instead of in the denominator).

        1 is the right answer

        The only right answer

        both are correct answers

        Nope, 1 is the only correct answer.

        this is also one of the reasons why postfix and prefix notations have an advantage over infix notation

        Except they don’t. This isn’t a notation problem, it’s a people don’t remember the rules of Maths problem.

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        0•2 years ago

        prefix notation doesn’t need parentheses either though, at least in this case. lisp uses them for readability and to get multiple arity operators. infix doesn’t have any ambiguity either if you parenthesize all operations like that.

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          2•1 year ago

          infix doesn’t have any ambiguity either if you parenthesize all operations like that

          There isn’t any ambiguity even if you don’t.

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      Yes

      8 / 2 (2+2)

      8 / 2 (4)

      4 (4)

      16

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        No

        8 / 2 (2+2)

        8 / 2 (4)

        8 / 8

        1

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          1•2 years ago

          No. Order of operations is left to right, not right to left. 1 is wrong.

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            1•1 year ago

            Order of operations is left to right

            Order of operations is BEDMAS, THEN left to right within each operator.

            1 is wrong

            1 is the only correct answer.

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            1•2 years ago

            Pemdas.

            Multiplication comes before division.

            1 is the correct answer.

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              That’s wrong. Multiplication and division have equal precedence, same as addition and subtraction. You do them left to right. PEMDAS could be rewritten like PE(MD)(AS). After parentheses and exponents, it"s Multiplication and division together, then addition and subtraction together. They also teach BODMAS some places, which is “brackets, order, division and multiplication, addition and subtraction” Despite reversing the division and multiplication, it doesn’t change the order of operations. They have the same priority, so they are just done left to right. PEMDAS and BODMAS are the different shorthand for the same order of operations.

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              1•1 year ago

              1 is the correct answer, but it’s because Brackets comes before Division - there is no Multiplication in this problem.

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              There’s an argument to be made that implicit multiplication comes before division, resulting in the answer 1, but all multiplication? That’s wrong, full-stop. You calculate (explicit) multiplication and division in one step, left to right. Reason being that division is technically just multiplying by the reciprocal.

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                1•1 year ago

                There’s no such thing as implicit multiplication.

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        1•1 year ago

        Yes

        No.

        8 / 2 (4) 8/(2x4) 8/8 1

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            No, 8 / 2 happens before 2 * 4

            That’s (2x4). Doing division before brackets goes against the order of operations rules.

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                Division and multiplication are equal in the order of operations

                I didn’t say they weren’t. I said…

                Doing division before brackets goes against the order of operations rules

                You did 8/2x4, which is the same as (8/2)(2+2), which isn’t the same as 8/2(2+2)=8/2(4)=8/(2x4).

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                    1•1 year ago

                    2 (4) is the same thing as 2 * 4.

                    No, as I already pointed out, it’s the same as (2x4). You can’t remove brackets unless there is only 1 term left inside. 2x4 is 2 terms, so can’t remove brackets yet.

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