• @supersane@lemmy.ml
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    732 years ago

    Obviously illegal. Collective punishment is a war crime and makes Israel a monster. Imagine if there was a murderer in your building and the feds blew the entire building up.

    • @Locrin@lemmy.world
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      102 years ago

      Oh I love allegories. Let me try.

      Imagine there was a murderer in your building. But he is not really interested in murdering you, he keeps shooting at some other people you also hate. The feds have tried to go into the building to extract the murderer, but his friends and you lynched the feds when they tried. The murderer has stockpiled his guns in the building and the feds figure that if they can’t get to the murderer at least they can destroy his guns and vantage point from which he is firing at people. They don’t really want to destroy the building but the murderer is actively trying to kill people and the people he is trying to kill demands action.

      You receive a text message that the building you are in will be destroyed shortly. You want to leave, but now the murderer says he will kill you if you do.

      It is a very silly thing to think that having a “civilian” stay in a legitimate military target ( rocket launcher and or rocket storage ) makes it a place that is untouchable!

    • @Razp@lemm.ee
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      102 years ago

      As is punishing all Russian passport holders for the action of the government. So it’s either both EU and Israel are monsters or neither is.

        • @Razp@lemm.ee
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          02 years ago

          “Collective punishment is a war crime”. Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.

          We are hypocrites. We have double standards.

          I am just pointing it out.

          • @TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
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            12 years ago

            Can we agree that “not letting people with Russian passport travel in NATO countries”

            And “Slaughtering civilians en masse in retaliation to a terrorist attack”

            Are just a wee bit different as far “collective punishment” goes?

            • @Razp@lemm.ee
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              12 years ago

              You missed the point :

              Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.

              Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.

              In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) “Collective punishment is war crime!!”

              We. Are. Hypocrites.

      • @Devi@beehaw.org
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        102 years ago

        Not being able to spend summer in the Algarve and being brutally murdered is totally the same thing.

        • @Razp@lemm.ee
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          12 years ago

          “Collective punishment is a war crime”. Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.

          We are hypocrites. We have double standards.

          I am just pointing it out.

            • @Razp@lemm.ee
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              02 years ago

              You missed the point :

              Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.

              Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.

              In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) “Collective punishment is war crime!!”

              We. Are. Hypocrites.

          • @Devi@beehaw.org
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            22 years ago

            Collective punishment IS a war crime. Travel is a privelege, not being able to go on holiday to specific places isn’t punishment. Do you realise most countries aren’t permitted to travel somewhere?

            • @Razp@lemm.ee
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              22 years ago

              It’s not about traveling, and not about Russians at all. I just gave an example. Look,

              Ursula von der Leyen was against Russians destroying the energy infrastructure of Ukraine.

              The same Ursula supports energy blockade of Gaza by Israel.

              It’s just pure hypocracy.

              In both cases the civilian population suffers the most. In both cases it’s a war crime and should be condemned.

      • @pascal@lemm.ee
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        32 years ago

        As a punished Russian living in Lomonosov, let me explain you what has changed for us since this “punishment” started:

        Absolutely nothing.

        (Oh, yes, Coke bottles are now green, instead of red.)