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Flying Squid to Political Memes@lemmy.world • 2 years ago

Not exactly helping the proles.

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Not exactly helping the proles.

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Flying Squid to Political Memes@lemmy.world • 2 years ago
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    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Engels_Socialism_Utopian_and_Scientific.pdf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_materialism

    • diprount_tomato
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      That’s nothing but gross oversimplifications of events that have little to nothing to do with science

      • @irmoz@reddthat.com
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        Read first, then judge.

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          Trust me, saying all of history is composed of two groups of people is a gross oversimplification based on a philosophical (not scientific) root, that clearly is made to enforce that “us Vs them” mentality

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            And that is a gross oversimplification of historical and dialectical materialism.

            https://youtu.be/ZXwWWiI3E1A?si=xp4hWf-jtJpxTN5W

            https://youtu.be/nZXaZHe901w?si=vG3rwmkmoG0pG5wl

            • diprount_tomato
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              Pretty sure the core is just “Us Vs them AKA the oppressed Vs the oppressors”

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                Please engage with even one of the many sources I have kindly provided for you. You will be better for it. I would recommend the videos, they’re not very long, and the explanation manages to be thorough yet concise and understandable.

                Also, Marx and Engels were bourgeois themselves. They knew and were fine with the knowledge that, if an “us and them” mentality were to emerge out of revokution, the two of them would be in the “them”.

                They weren’t running for office. They weren’t leading a movement. They were just theorising based on the material conditions. There was no need for them to try appeals to group mentality.

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                  “they weren’t leading a movement” sure lol

                  • @irmoz@reddthat.com
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                    Are there some marches they led that I’m unaware of? Governments they personally organised against?

                    It is and was a scientific theory, not a moral position. It is based on material facts about social and historical reality.

                    Please, I urge you to actually read anything that I sent to you. I’m starting to suspect you’re trolling and not interested in any discussion.

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