What use to be the PPA that allowed Ubuntu users to use native .deb packages for Firefox has recently changed to the same meta package that forces installation of Snap and the Firefox snap package.

I am having to remove the meta package, then re-uninstall the snap firefox, then re-uninstall Snap, then install pin the latest build I could get (firefox_116.0.3+build2-0ubuntu0.22.04.1~mt1_arm64.deb) to keep the native firefox build.

I’m so done with Ubuntu.

  • @wile_e8@lemmy.world
    3•2 years ago

    So, as someone that’s been on flavors of Ubuntu/Linux Mint for me personal computer since Breezy Badger, any good distro recommendations? I’ve been using Ubuntu Mate and upgrading in place for the last ~5 years, so I’ve mostly avoided Snaps, but I’m looking to upgrade my computer and I’m probably going to need a fresh install. I’d like to stay on the Ubuntu/Debian tree, but I’ve been using RHEL on my work computer for a while now, so I’m not totally unfamiliar with that distro branch.

    Also, should I be as concerned about Flatpaks as everyone seems to be concerned about Snaps?

    • @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      16•2 years ago

      Linux Mint doesn’t do snaps, you can add them but they are more flatpak friendly out of the box. They also have a Debian edition that is nearly identical once installed.

    • Transient PunkEnglish
      14•2 years ago

      I was on Ubuntu for almost ten years. The snap BS really started bugging me a few years ago, and I started distro hopping to find a new home.

      If you’re really wanting to stick with an Ubuntu derivative, you could try Pop!_OS. They remove Snaps.

      I ended up settling on Manjaro. Access to the AUR is pretty awesome.

      • @Eldritch@lemmy.world
        2•2 years ago

        Manjaro and aur are not a good idea. I ran manjaro for a year or two. Things from the aur were constantly breaking and causing problems because of the manjaro repositories. If they were even able to be installed at all. There are many reasons not to use Manjaro. But if you want to use the Aur. Check out endeavor os. Very straightforward simple easy to install Arch. The Aur works perfectly and doesn’t break randomly. Because they use the Straight Up Arch repositories with just slightly different configs

        • Transient PunkEnglish
          1•2 years ago

          Interesting. I’ve been running Manjaro for two years now and I’ve found it to be extremely stable on my computer and my partners computer. I haven’t had any trouble with AUR packages breaking either.

    • @Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world
      6•2 years ago

      I can’t comment on specifics. I’m back in linux after several years away in mac land. The snap experience is awful, and confusing. I have not had the same experience with flatpaks. They seem to act more like regular apps that you update. The issue with snap is that firefox will say the snap needs to update, and that the update is pending warning my I only have days (or hours) to use it, but no way to actually do the upgrade. Then it will say its upgrading, but nothing happens. I just keep using firefox, and every once in a while it may say something like the update failed (I honestly can’t remember, since I just ignore any notification with the word ‘snap’ in it since they’re all meaningless). Eventually, when I quit firefox, it might update and quit pestering me. But how knows? Maybe it won’t upgrade, and then I’ll open it again and it won’t be upgraded.

      Flatpaks, I can just update in the package GUI (Discover for me, since KDE) alongside other updates, and we roll on.

      Distro-wise, I dunno :/ I like ubuntu cause its more standardized in terms of software availability — most things will support an ubuntu package. However, I’m really considering just jumping into debian and going with the rolling releases.

    • Trojan Ham
      6•2 years ago

      I was a Xubuntu user for about 15 years but have an old EeePC running Debian.

      I just recently moved my main, home computer (10+ yo EliteBook) to Debian 12 and am very happy. I will be soon moving my amateur radio “shack” computer (bought last year) to Debian as well.

      Forcing Snaps and Snaps’ terrible usage of disk space (in my experience) is what made me move. The annoying Firefox update warning only served to aggravate me further.

      I do use a couple Flatpaks (did with Ubuntu as well) but it was my choice - not a requirement. I haven’t had any disk use problems or bad experiences with them.

    • SALTEnglish
      4•2 years ago

      Flatpak won’t replace RPM on Fedora, so, use Fedora… and be happy, or Nobara for gaming

    • bitwolf
      3•2 years ago

      Imo avoid Mint. If you like apt/debs PopOS.

      If you don’t care about debs Fedora is an awesome distro. I’ve used it for several years and upgrades never go bad.

    • @joe@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3•2 years ago

      Check out VanillaOS. I think it’s pretty neat. Their webpage doesn’t really get into the benefits as much as I think they should, but a very quick summary is that it leverages distrobox and some custom package manager to allow you to seamlessly install and run packages from other distros. It’s also kind of an immutable OS (but not really). It lets you pick which types of apps you want during the install (snaps, fltapak, AppImage, etc)

      I am not super in the loop about why people are so against snaps, but I don’t like the centralized nature of them, and if that’s also the general concern, then flatpak should be fine, since it’s decentralized.

      I saw a couple youtube videos about VanillaOS; I could certainly find you one of them if you want to know more.