I support Mamdani. I’m going to vote for the furthest left, viable candidates that I can. In most cases, in the short term, that’s going to be neoliberals. Hopefully all the candidates will be socialist eventually.
Your argument is fully committed to owning this neoliberal that you’ve invented. I don’t care about what other people think about me. I’m way to close to the chopping block to care. So I definitely don’t care about your views on this other person you’re pretending to have an argument with.
But you’re argument is an excellent example of how to be politically ineffective so I’ll keep dismantling it. People need to out grow this mindset of preserving their personal moral purity in order to be politically effective. Instead they’ll need to learn how to analyze what strategies are the most useful.
But you’re argument is an excellent example of how to be politically ineffective so I’ll keep dismantling it. People need to out grow this mindset of preserving their personal moral purity in order to be politically effective. Instead they’ll need to learn how to analyze what strategies are the most useful.
You’re spending time pressuring a post-anarchist voter to vote. Im a walking contradiction, but you won before this conversation started.
I’m spending my time asking you to pressure the Democratic Party for a coherent platform. At the point in the election cycle where they could actually have something workable for the coming elections.
They Democrats are our best electoral hope. Its time they took this seriously. If I promise to vote, can I ask you to demand the party infrastructure actually function?
The Acceleration is already locked in, and denying it is Liberal Fantasy. Now if we wanna pump the breaks? I need your help getting tools to build a movement.
Looking back at the failure of Kamala is not how to convince anyone. At all. Ever. Its a great way to get written of as a useless Liberal that can only be trusted to fill out a rigged ballot.
If you wanna dissect Kamala’s failure, build a strategy to do better in that environment? Let’s go, I’m down. But wallowing in “Kamala should be President” is how you get treated like a dirty lib.
Come join us in reality. The “Glorious Past” was fucking terrible too.
The Acceleration is already locked in, and denying it is Liberal Fantasy.
There would be little point of having any interest in politics if this was true. As long as there are still people there is the ability to make things better. All fascism needs to triumph is for everyone else to do nothing.
Incorrectly assuming there is nothing we can do lets the fascists win. There is no limit to how bad things get. The more elections people refuse to vote for neoliberals the worse things will get. And the longer the fascists are in power the harder it will be defeat them in elections.
Its a great way to get written of as a useless Liberal that can only be trusted to fill out a rigged ballot.
We should fill out ballots if we get them. The wider the margin of victory the harder it will be for the fascists to rig elections. And we should expect there will be ballots, because to do otherwise is to comply in advance.
But wallowing in “Kamala should be President” is how you get treated like a dirty lib.
Everyone should have voted for Harris in the last election. Arguments against this are accelerationist and must be refuted at every opportunity.
Come join us in reality.
We should vote for neoliberals when the choice is between neoliberals and fascists. Fascism harms us all and so we shouldn’t be complicit in our destruction by allowing fascists to win.
The “Glorious Past” was fucking terrible too.
Giving up cultural capital to the fascists is a needless ceding of ground to fascists. We should celebrate what American has gotten right while still criticizing what American has gotten wrong.
The point of criticism is to improve a thing you love. Mamdani loves New York City. It’s why he wants to improve it with socialist policies. He believes in the melting pot he knows NYC can be. And the people voting for him may or may not get his socialism but they definitely understand his passion for their shared home. People who don’t love their country or least the good their country is capable of have nothing to contribute to a political movement whose goal is to improve their country.
If all you’re arguing for is to burn everything to the ground then you’re getting what you wanted. You’re not going to want Mamdani or some other socialist to be president. They’re going to put a stop to the acceleration and build America up. But the only way socialists candidates can even win an election is for people to fill out ballots.
There would be little point of having any interest in politics if this was true.
I beg to differ. The Climate is Changing, we need to pump the breaks on that. On the Concentration Camps. On everything we see.
Acknowledging the Accelerationists are in power is not the same thing as siding with them.
Incorrectly assuming there is nothing we can do lets the fascists win.
Agreed. But assuming that the only thing we can do is Vote? Is just as useless. Go actually help a person today.
Everyone should have voted for Harris in the last election.
Agreed. And the Party should have let Bernie win the 2016 Primary. But continuing to talk about them as though they are current day issues is as absurd as pretending Trump is some kind of Populist.
Giving up cultural capital to the fascists is a needless ceding of ground to fascists. We should celebrate what American has gotten right while still criticizing what American has gotten wrong.
Have you actually read “A People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn? Or are you just referencing Grade School fairy tales with “what America got right”?
I’m worried that by “refusing to cede cultural capital” that all you’re doing is cosigning the same roots of fascism that made Trump inevitable.
I’m worried you’re not prepared to actually address the criticisms of people actually harmed without tone policing the critique like you’re a Kamala staffer, and find it escalate from there:
I support Mamdani. I’m going to vote for the furthest left, viable candidates that I can. In most cases, in the short term, that’s going to be neoliberals. Hopefully all the candidates will be socialist eventually.
Your argument is fully committed to owning this neoliberal that you’ve invented. I don’t care about what other people think about me. I’m way to close to the chopping block to care. So I definitely don’t care about your views on this other person you’re pretending to have an argument with.
But you’re argument is an excellent example of how to be politically ineffective so I’ll keep dismantling it. People need to out grow this mindset of preserving their personal moral purity in order to be politically effective. Instead they’ll need to learn how to analyze what strategies are the most useful.
You’re spending time pressuring a post-anarchist voter to vote. Im a walking contradiction, but you won before this conversation started.
I’m spending my time asking you to pressure the Democratic Party for a coherent platform. At the point in the election cycle where they could actually have something workable for the coming elections.
They Democrats are our best electoral hope. Its time they took this seriously. If I promise to vote, can I ask you to demand the party infrastructure actually function?
I don’t control the Democratic party.
Your argument is inherently accelerationist. Everyone needs to know how self-destructive it is.
The Acceleration is already locked in, and denying it is Liberal Fantasy. Now if we wanna pump the breaks? I need your help getting tools to build a movement.
Looking back at the failure of Kamala is not how to convince anyone. At all. Ever. Its a great way to get written of as a useless Liberal that can only be trusted to fill out a rigged ballot.
If you wanna dissect Kamala’s failure, build a strategy to do better in that environment? Let’s go, I’m down. But wallowing in “Kamala should be President” is how you get treated like a dirty lib.
Come join us in reality. The “Glorious Past” was fucking terrible too.
There would be little point of having any interest in politics if this was true. As long as there are still people there is the ability to make things better. All fascism needs to triumph is for everyone else to do nothing.
Incorrectly assuming there is nothing we can do lets the fascists win. There is no limit to how bad things get. The more elections people refuse to vote for neoliberals the worse things will get. And the longer the fascists are in power the harder it will be defeat them in elections.
We should fill out ballots if we get them. The wider the margin of victory the harder it will be for the fascists to rig elections. And we should expect there will be ballots, because to do otherwise is to comply in advance.
Everyone should have voted for Harris in the last election. Arguments against this are accelerationist and must be refuted at every opportunity.
We should vote for neoliberals when the choice is between neoliberals and fascists. Fascism harms us all and so we shouldn’t be complicit in our destruction by allowing fascists to win.
Giving up cultural capital to the fascists is a needless ceding of ground to fascists. We should celebrate what American has gotten right while still criticizing what American has gotten wrong.
The point of criticism is to improve a thing you love. Mamdani loves New York City. It’s why he wants to improve it with socialist policies. He believes in the melting pot he knows NYC can be. And the people voting for him may or may not get his socialism but they definitely understand his passion for their shared home. People who don’t love their country or least the good their country is capable of have nothing to contribute to a political movement whose goal is to improve their country.
If all you’re arguing for is to burn everything to the ground then you’re getting what you wanted. You’re not going to want Mamdani or some other socialist to be president. They’re going to put a stop to the acceleration and build America up. But the only way socialists candidates can even win an election is for people to fill out ballots.
I beg to differ. The Climate is Changing, we need to pump the breaks on that. On the Concentration Camps. On everything we see.
Acknowledging the Accelerationists are in power is not the same thing as siding with them.
Agreed. But assuming that the only thing we can do is Vote? Is just as useless. Go actually help a person today.
Agreed. And the Party should have let Bernie win the 2016 Primary. But continuing to talk about them as though they are current day issues is as absurd as pretending Trump is some kind of Populist.
Have you actually read “A People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn? Or are you just referencing Grade School fairy tales with “what America got right”?
I’m worried that by “refusing to cede cultural capital” that all you’re doing is cosigning the same roots of fascism that made Trump inevitable.
I’m worried you’re not prepared to actually address the criticisms of people actually harmed without tone policing the critique like you’re a Kamala staffer, and find it escalate from there:
https://www.therednation.org/the-red-nation-podcast-3/
This is why the indigenous didn’t swing for Kamala, by the way.
Sure, I’ll vote. Again. But whether I come alone or with friends depends on whether the party allows a platform worth voting for.