Yes, animals kill in the wild - to survive. We humans are, as opposed to predators or parasites, omnivores. We know how to grow crops, vegetables, etc. and cultivate fields. We have a choice, a conscience and we have ethics.
Are you identifying with the intelligence and life situation of that of a lion or a tongue parasite? Do you also commonly ask yourself “What would a tongue parasite do in my place right now”? Are lions that kill newborns of other lions, for example, really good role models?
Shouldn’t you take responsibility in the role of the stronger and be considerate with your power? Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you have to. Otherwise you could maltreat children, handicapped people and all other physically disabled people for fun. Of course we don’t do that because it would be immoral. Why should this moral understanding suddenly no longer apply to other species? Wouldn’t we also wish for mercy and compassion if tomorrow a species superior to us colonized the earth?
Lol I think we’d need a whole discussion on philosophy and psychology to correctly address these points, and I doubt either of us is qualified enough.
Projecting human morality on animals is… Funny, as our higher empathy is essentially a social animal’s trait that helps its group survive. Extending it to the whole universe is surely possible but who are we to say whether it’s correct or not? We can only evaluate measurable effects, such as those on our ecosystem.
Regardless, I never wanted to start a discussion on veganism, I don’t approve of current farming methods anyway, just pointing out that your definition of normal was wrong.
I think it’s not that complicated. There is this quote from Jeremy Bentham:
The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?
Which they obviously can, right? Watch the videos.
Now let’s not focus on them but on us, that’s easier: We are at a point in history where we (you and me) don’t need to kill animals anymore to survive. It is even harming us, clocking our arteries, destroying ecosystems. We live in a society where you can go buy plant-based alternatives that are cheaper and healthier, processed stuff like schnitzel and sausages, but also notorious superfoods like lentils and tofu. Happy Eat your Beans-day, by the way.
So we could solve like a quarter of the climate catastrophe, save millions on health care (I’m European) and human lifes by ditching saturated fat, slow down or even prevent further antibiotic resistance and free billions of sentient beings from short miserable lifes. But most of us choose not to, because they’re accustomed to a taste.
Normal, natural and necessary are the three N’s of Carnism. Also:
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #1:
Lions eat meat too
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #54
Well, humans just are on top of the food chain.
Lol I think we’d need a whole discussion on philosophy and psychology to correctly address these points, and I doubt either of us is qualified enough.
Projecting human morality on animals is… Funny, as our higher empathy is essentially a social animal’s trait that helps its group survive. Extending it to the whole universe is surely possible but who are we to say whether it’s correct or not? We can only evaluate measurable effects, such as those on our ecosystem.
Regardless, I never wanted to start a discussion on veganism, I don’t approve of current farming methods anyway, just pointing out that your definition of normal was wrong.
I think it’s not that complicated. There is this quote from Jeremy Bentham:
Which they obviously can, right? Watch the videos.
Now let’s not focus on them but on us, that’s easier: We are at a point in history where we (you and me) don’t need to kill animals anymore to survive. It is even harming us, clocking our arteries, destroying ecosystems. We live in a society where you can go buy plant-based alternatives that are cheaper and healthier, processed stuff like schnitzel and sausages, but also notorious superfoods like lentils and tofu. Happy Eat your Beans-day, by the way.
So we could solve like a quarter of the climate catastrophe, save millions on health care (I’m European) and human lifes by ditching saturated fat, slow down or even prevent further antibiotic resistance and free billions of sentient beings from short miserable lifes. But most of us choose not to, because they’re accustomed to a taste.