The only reason I’ve ever seen to call the cops was when someone sped through a light, gained air over a hedge, and smashed hood first into a building. And that was just because i wanted the ambulance to get to them fast.
Noise? Never.
Fights? Never.
Strange noises. Never.
Etc etc.
All they do is cause more problems.
When you’re a woman getting the shit beat out of you by a man who could easily kill you (this is the case for the majority of men to the majority of women) and its call the cops or be seriously fucked up or killed it’s a pretty easy choice to make. Domestic violence is often one sided or at least one sided in who is able to defend themselves, it’s not a fight when one side is wildly out matched
Yeah, calling other domestic abusers to protect you is definitely the best way to deal with your abuser. It definitely won’t upset them more and will surely lead to everyone being resolved.
If they kill their abuser, they are actually likely to end up in jail themselves.
Up a little in Oklahoma, that’s why we have one of the highest incarceration rates of women in the states/world - a lot of those women are in there for fighting back.
DV is a fucked if you do, fucked if you don’t situation.
what, the domestic abuse hotline with one person at the call center located at the other side of the country? that will then proceed to call the police anyways?
Every interaction I’ve ever had with police I’ve been the one attempting to de escalate. Literally 100%. What’s frustrating is you speaking calmly and clearly pisses them off even more because they feel like you’re speaking down to them. They feel like they are supposed to be the reasonable ones and you’re making them look bad. Which of course you are, because they’re not.
what? fuck off with this acab bullshit, it’s not all black and white, if there’s a knife fight in the neighbor’s house i’m calling the police, and i’m appalled that there’s someone who wouldnt.
what do you suggest, getting stabbed yourself? ignoring it and letting an innocent human being die? how would you even sleep with that at night?
the problem is they never check who’s who before they start shooting. there are numerous instances where the person who calls the police for protection is the one who gets shot.
so your choice is between a stabbing and a shooting. and a stabbing you might be able to run away from.
just because police are uncompetent pigs who sometimes shoot the caller, doesn’t mean that in the majority of the cases they’ll shoot them.
And just because you have that 1% risk of getting wrongly shot (could be lower, pulled the number out of my ass) doesn’t mean you should try to face the very real and instant threat of another person trying to stab you.
availability bias, there are so many traffic stops, checkups, calls, etc every day that go just fine and you never hear about, and of those that end in the news, BWCs have proven police right in most cases
Is this activity threatening to harm the lives, health, or well-being of anyone?
Is this activity going to infringe on anyone else’s inalienable human rights (to live, bodily autonomy, to exist without constant fear… Stuff like that)?
If the answers to both of these is a concrete “no” then I do nothing. I mind my own goddamned business and move along.
If someone is doing something that can and likely will end up with someone seriously hurt or dead, then yeah, I’ll call and let someone know. Hopefully they can do something before anyone is seriously harmed. If one civilian is being mentally or physically abused by another, and I’m not in a position to intervene in a productive manner, then yeah, I’ll call for that too.
If nobody is getting harmed, either mentally, physically, or financially, then I couldn’t give any fewer shits. It’s illegal? That’s nice. The law can only be enforced if people who are tasked with enforcing it, take action. If they’re not here, I don’t feel any obligation to rat out someone who I don’t know anything about. Maybe they’re destitute because capitalism, or they’re down on their luck, or something… They have a whole life story that I have absolutely no knowledge of.
Also, I don’t consider corporations to be people (despite what the law might say), and if there’s material/financial harm to a corpo, it would be impossible for me to give any less of a shit that whatever is happening, is happening. Whether theft, or destruction of property, or whatever… No shit will be given for your corpo overlords and/or shareholders. You all can get fucked. So if someone is stealing from… Idk, Wal-Mart? And I saw that happen… Then I didn’t see anything officer. I don’t know what you’re talking about. That is an innocent person who has done nothing wrong. Where did they get the Walmart store-brand thing that they didn’t pay for? I’m not sure, they probably had it with them before entering the store. I certainly didn’t see them take anything that they shouldn’t have.
Don’t be a rat. Mind your own business; as long as nobody is getting hurt… and if someone is getting hurt, do everything in your power to resolve the situation before resorting to a call to the police. It’s actually really simple.
The only reason I’ve ever seen to call the cops was when someone sped through a light, gained air over a hedge, and smashed hood first into a building. And that was just because i wanted the ambulance to get to them fast.
Noise? Never.
Fights? Never.
Strange noises. Never.
Etc etc.
All they do is cause more problems.
When you’re a woman getting the shit beat out of you by a man who could easily kill you (this is the case for the majority of men to the majority of women) and its call the cops or be seriously fucked up or killed it’s a pretty easy choice to make. Domestic violence is often one sided or at least one sided in who is able to defend themselves, it’s not a fight when one side is wildly out matched
Yeah, calling other domestic abusers to protect you is definitely the best way to deal with your abuser. It definitely won’t upset them more and will surely lead to everyone being resolved.
You’re right they should just… get killed instead then?
Or kill their abuser. If the situation is that dire, then the cops aren’t going to make it in time anyway.
If they kill their abuser, they are actually likely to end up in jail themselves.
Up a little in Oklahoma, that’s why we have one of the highest incarceration rates of women in the states/world - a lot of those women are in there for fighting back.
DV is a fucked if you do, fucked if you don’t situation.
Your dog will not be shot.
I completely understand. But there are other numbers that can be called.
what, the domestic abuse hotline with one person at the call center located at the other side of the country? that will then proceed to call the police anyways?
be realistic
Realistic? Where in a thread about calling the cops and the cops calling ICE on the victim.
I don’t know how much more realistic you want to get.
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if there’s a breaking and entering you probably have more chance reasoning with the trespasser than having anything good come from pigs showing up.
A random non-cop is probably going to have better de-escalation skills than a cop too
Every interaction I’ve ever had with police I’ve been the one attempting to de escalate. Literally 100%. What’s frustrating is you speaking calmly and clearly pisses them off even more because they feel like you’re speaking down to them. They feel like they are supposed to be the reasonable ones and you’re making them look bad. Which of course you are, because they’re not.
My experience is the opposite, but I realize that’s because I’m a white dude.
Depends on your melanin content unfortunately. Fuck racist pigs
what? fuck off with this acab bullshit, it’s not all black and white, if there’s a knife fight in the neighbor’s house i’m calling the police, and i’m appalled that there’s someone who wouldnt.
what do you suggest, getting stabbed yourself? ignoring it and letting an innocent human being die? how would you even sleep with that at night?
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i mean you were the one who brought up not calling the police on fights, soo
Ok bootlicker
the problem is they never check who’s who before they start shooting. there are numerous instances where the person who calls the police for protection is the one who gets shot.
so your choice is between a stabbing and a shooting. and a stabbing you might be able to run away from.
this sounds awfully similar to “man or bear”
just because police are uncompetent pigs who sometimes shoot the caller, doesn’t mean that in the majority of the cases they’ll shoot them.
And just because you have that 1% risk of getting wrongly shot (could be lower, pulled the number out of my ass) doesn’t mean you should try to face the very real and instant threat of another person trying to stab you.
and just as man vs bear, you have to be very privileged to not get why bear is the popular choice.
yes, having a functioning brain is very privileged in these trying times, thanks for the acknowledgement
that doesn’t even make sense… having a functioning brain prevents you from understanding why the bear was a popular choice?
no, it makes me understand the levels of delusion and irrealism (and the inability to do math) people have, be it with man or bear or ACAB
oh god i didn’t think it would get worse but it got worse
In the context of the US, i’d say 1% is probably the percentage of actual competent, professional, relatively unbiased cops.
availability bias, there are so many traffic stops, checkups, calls, etc every day that go just fine and you never hear about, and of those that end in the news, BWCs have proven police right in most cases
My general rule of thumb is this:
Is this activity threatening to harm the lives, health, or well-being of anyone? Is this activity going to infringe on anyone else’s inalienable human rights (to live, bodily autonomy, to exist without constant fear… Stuff like that)?
If the answers to both of these is a concrete “no” then I do nothing. I mind my own goddamned business and move along.
If someone is doing something that can and likely will end up with someone seriously hurt or dead, then yeah, I’ll call and let someone know. Hopefully they can do something before anyone is seriously harmed. If one civilian is being mentally or physically abused by another, and I’m not in a position to intervene in a productive manner, then yeah, I’ll call for that too.
If nobody is getting harmed, either mentally, physically, or financially, then I couldn’t give any fewer shits. It’s illegal? That’s nice. The law can only be enforced if people who are tasked with enforcing it, take action. If they’re not here, I don’t feel any obligation to rat out someone who I don’t know anything about. Maybe they’re destitute because capitalism, or they’re down on their luck, or something… They have a whole life story that I have absolutely no knowledge of.
Also, I don’t consider corporations to be people (despite what the law might say), and if there’s material/financial harm to a corpo, it would be impossible for me to give any less of a shit that whatever is happening, is happening. Whether theft, or destruction of property, or whatever… No shit will be given for your corpo overlords and/or shareholders. You all can get fucked. So if someone is stealing from… Idk, Wal-Mart? And I saw that happen… Then I didn’t see anything officer. I don’t know what you’re talking about. That is an innocent person who has done nothing wrong. Where did they get the Walmart store-brand thing that they didn’t pay for? I’m not sure, they probably had it with them before entering the store. I certainly didn’t see them take anything that they shouldn’t have.
Don’t be a rat. Mind your own business; as long as nobody is getting hurt… and if someone is getting hurt, do everything in your power to resolve the situation before resorting to a call to the police. It’s actually really simple.