Exactly. Armed guards are needed at protests precisely to protect peaceful protesters from being murdered by cops. Yes, it’s obvious that you can’t legally use weapons against officers. But every officer knows that the moment someone’s life is threatened, the law doesn’t matter for shit. If a cop is threatening to shoot me, I have no problem with shooting them right back. Maybe I’ll go to jail, oh well, better that than being dead. Maybe the cops will still kill me. Oh well, at least I took a fascist with me.
Cops are able to act with such monstrous inhumanity precisely because there are no armed protesters to deter them. You don’t see cops firing rubber bullets point blank unprovoked against armed protesters. Because those cops know that if they try that shit, there’s a good chance they’re not going home tonight. They can have the whole corrupt legal system behind them, but all none of that matters if you’re lying dead on the ground. Every cop should have to attend every protest knowing that if they abuse their power and start actually threatening innocent lives, that they will be among the first dead if violence breaks out.
Cops are ultimately bullies. High school bullies grow up to be police officers. And like any bully, the only thing they understand and respect is force.
Tell that to victims of the Tlateloco massacre. They were locked in a plaza and shot from rooftops. They were unarmed and the massacre was pre-planned.
The only reason the Americans won is that they had the French Navy on their side.
The French went broke supporting the Americans.
Also, the Brits were willing to cede to the Americans. The Brits kept getting US cotton and they were going to get it cheaper because once the British empire withdrew the Americans could expand into the Native nations the British had treaties with.
It’s about getting an AR-15 into the hands of every queer person, brown person, and the allies of such. A single AR-15 is no match. A squad of them in the hands of a mobilized neighborhood however…
I own exactly zero guns. Urban warfare is as likely to get massive casualties on both sides. Ever heard of an IED? Freedom isn’t free and democracy dies with a whimper, not a howl. You want to whimper and cower, or stand for the future of your country? Nazis didn’t go away because we asked politely.
You have totally missed the point of arms being a deterrent. YOU are the one thinking in video game terms.
Anecdote: There have been two times I would have likely got my ass kicked out in the woods had I not been open carrying. Like magic, this fucker who loathed me was very, very polite.
For anyone else coming along; Guns are not magical “get off me” totems. You have to put in the time and effort to practice several skills, safety at the top of that list. It is not an easy solution.
Doesn’t matter whether shithead had guns of his own, the fact that he saw one on the person he wanted to victimise had one and he decided he didn’t want lead poisoning.
Oh no! Is the pot calling the kettle black?!
If you think your AR-15 is a match for a full on SWAT team, or an armored vehicle, think again.
This isn’t a video game, and there aren’t any respawns in real life.
Ask the folks at MOVE how well fighting back worked for them.
Are you giving the class an example of what happens when we dont stand together?
Because we all already know how cops act when they have the guns and numbers.
We know when they have the guns but not the numbers they escalate and use violence.
But when they dont have the numbers and protestors visibly are carrying rifles, suddenly the cops aren’t escalating to violence anymore.
If you aren’t familiar with a “visual deterrent” then frankly you’re not in a position to be advising people.
Exactly. Armed guards are needed at protests precisely to protect peaceful protesters from being murdered by cops. Yes, it’s obvious that you can’t legally use weapons against officers. But every officer knows that the moment someone’s life is threatened, the law doesn’t matter for shit. If a cop is threatening to shoot me, I have no problem with shooting them right back. Maybe I’ll go to jail, oh well, better that than being dead. Maybe the cops will still kill me. Oh well, at least I took a fascist with me.
Cops are able to act with such monstrous inhumanity precisely because there are no armed protesters to deter them. You don’t see cops firing rubber bullets point blank unprovoked against armed protesters. Because those cops know that if they try that shit, there’s a good chance they’re not going home tonight. They can have the whole corrupt legal system behind them, but all none of that matters if you’re lying dead on the ground. Every cop should have to attend every protest knowing that if they abuse their power and start actually threatening innocent lives, that they will be among the first dead if violence breaks out.
Cops are ultimately bullies. High school bullies grow up to be police officers. And like any bully, the only thing they understand and respect is force.
You don’t need rifles if you have the numbers.
I wish that was true…
But surely you’ve seen/heard how cops react when they’re out numbered but protestors aren’t visibly armed…
Most commonly with this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling#United_States
Tell that to victims of the Tlateloco massacre. They were locked in a plaza and shot from rooftops. They were unarmed and the massacre was pre-planned.
If they had the numbers they would have won at the voting booths
you’re thinking the way they want you to think: that fighting face to face is the “only” way to fight
it’s because they know they don’t have the numbers
https://militarysphere.com/guerrilla-warfare-in-american-revolution/
The only reason the Americans won is that they had the French Navy on their side.
The French went broke supporting the Americans.
Also, the Brits were willing to cede to the Americans. The Brits kept getting US cotton and they were going to get it cheaper because once the British empire withdrew the Americans could expand into the Native nations the British had treaties with.
It’s not comparable in any way.
It’s about getting an AR-15 into the hands of every queer person, brown person, and the allies of such. A single AR-15 is no match. A squad of them in the hands of a mobilized neighborhood however…
What part of ‘armored vehicle’ confused you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenco_BearCat
The part where Ukraine has demonstrated that they are vulnerable to drones that are explosive.
Gestapo thugs have to sleep sometime.
That can be easily neutralized by parking a few Cybertrucks around it when they aren’t looking.
Oh, people can’t resist a government in the modern age? Tell that to Bashar al-Assad.
I own exactly zero guns. Urban warfare is as likely to get massive casualties on both sides. Ever heard of an IED? Freedom isn’t free and democracy dies with a whimper, not a howl. You want to whimper and cower, or stand for the future of your country? Nazis didn’t go away because we asked politely.
You have totally missed the point of arms being a deterrent. YOU are the one thinking in video game terms.
Anecdote: There have been two times I would have likely got my ass kicked out in the woods had I not been open carrying. Like magic, this fucker who loathed me was very, very polite.
For anyone else coming along; Guns are not magical “get off me” totems. You have to put in the time and effort to practice several skills, safety at the top of that list. It is not an easy solution.
Almost as if the other guy didn’t have access to many, many more weapons and the legal right to shoot you.
Huh, can’t wait for your instance to shutter.
Doesn’t matter whether shithead had guns of his own, the fact that he saw one on the person he wanted to victimise had one and he decided he didn’t want lead poisoning.
Or he could smile and wave and then shoot him in the back…
Ah, yes the what if game. You’ve lost.