Once you use violence, they will use that to justify using violence and putting down the movement.
You want to win people’s hearts and minds. You do that by being peaceful. Your opponent will make a mistake, but you stay peaceful. Remember MLK Jr.’s successes.
Edit: downvotes, sorry that history and facts don’t support your view of things. But, don’t do violence and damage the movement for the rest of us.
Won’t work for dictatorship, that’s obvious. But at the moment America is still a few bad decisions away from this. Although Trump is persistently undermining the judiciary.
On the other hand, there is an opposition, and I’m wondering, when do they decide to grow themselves balls? Trump can only do what he wants, because they let him.
The problem is that you Think there is an opposition, when there is not. The Democrats are not the opposition, they are the collaborators, they merely act as if they are against what is happening while actively ensuring Trump can do whatever he wants. They must also be removed, just like we removed the collaborators in France and other countries after we removed the Nazis. There is a reason why the Dems keep telling us to not fight back, to remain peaceful and to not interfere, to keep playing by their rules. They are paid to be the losing side, the “voice of reason” that does nothing to help the people. The only ones who can stop Trump and the fascists in the government are the people.
“Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’.”
― George Orwell
They’ll have some infiltrators with the protestors trying to whip up some raw emotions and instigate violence. The move against that is beating the crap out of anybody talking violence.
How nice of you to suppress yourselves in order to save the administration the effort of having to do so.
They don’t need infiltrators. They’ll just show images and videos of some other violent protest from years ago that happened somewhere else and claim it’s happening now. (like they’ve done before. I’m sure they already have the videos selected and ready to go.)
Videos of you beating the crap out of anyone talking violence will be shown without context and lied about who is being targeted to claim the protest is being violent.
It does not matter what you do, they will call you violent and treat you as such. I don’t know if Lemmy has an actual community for the extreme right MAGAs, but go look at the Reddit r/conservative community on any day and see how many posts are calling the current protest violent. Reality has a Liberal bias so they do not care what it says, they will listen chronic liars that tell them what they want to believe is true.
On X, formerly Twitter, the Department of Defense’s Rapid Response account posted a video that appeared to show burning, graffitied police cars during protests in Los Angeles this week.
However, the fact-checking website Snopes said the image showed protests in Los Angeles following the death of George Floyd in May 2020.
I think it did more than nothing but I wouldn’t consider it a full success. Many police departments reformed their policies and a lot of cops did quiet quitting which meant less policing for a while. But yeah those are small gains I’d say.
Well, that was an ongoing process already. I think in the hypothetical where the protests never happened, we’d probably be even further along in that way.
While I do believe in this, a common point brought up about civil rights is everything that Malcolm X and the Black Panthers did around the same time. While peace wins hearts and minds, even just passive shows of force can dissuade hateful pushers of violence.
Even Gandhi didn’t just sit back; his operation broke laws in order to make a point.
Peaceful protests are more likely to succeed and no peaceful protest that drew in 3.5 percent or more of the population has ever failed.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
Once you use violence, they will use that to justify using violence and putting down the movement.
You want to win people’s hearts and minds. You do that by being peaceful. Your opponent will make a mistake, but you stay peaceful. Remember MLK Jr.’s successes.
Edit: downvotes, sorry that history and facts don’t support your view of things. But, don’t do violence and damage the movement for the rest of us.
Yes, tell me about the peaceful protests that stopped the Nazis.
Cool, my rifle has a name now…the peaceful protest.
Won’t work for dictatorship, that’s obvious. But at the moment America is still a few bad decisions away from this. Although Trump is persistently undermining the judiciary.
On the other hand, there is an opposition, and I’m wondering, when do they decide to grow themselves balls? Trump can only do what he wants, because they let him.
The problem is that you Think there is an opposition, when there is not. The Democrats are not the opposition, they are the collaborators, they merely act as if they are against what is happening while actively ensuring Trump can do whatever he wants. They must also be removed, just like we removed the collaborators in France and other countries after we removed the Nazis. There is a reason why the Dems keep telling us to not fight back, to remain peaceful and to not interfere, to keep playing by their rules. They are paid to be the losing side, the “voice of reason” that does nothing to help the people. The only ones who can stop Trump and the fascists in the government are the people.
“Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’.” ― George Orwell
Bro doesn’t understand the difference between probability & certainty. Pretends a single counterexample refutes a probability.
And surely the people who lie about everything wouldn’t lie about violence happening anyway to justify using violence…
They’ll have some infiltrators with the protestors trying to whip up some raw emotions and instigate violence. The move against that is beating the crap out of anybody talking violence.
How nice of you to suppress yourselves in order to save the administration the effort of having to do so.
It does not matter what you do, they will call you violent and treat you as such. I don’t know if Lemmy has an actual community for the extreme right MAGAs, but go look at the Reddit r/conservative community on any day and see how many posts are calling the current protest violent. Reality has a Liberal bias so they do not care what it says, they will listen chronic liars that tell them what they want to believe is true.
Edit: https://www.newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-trump-fake-protest-images-2085492
The lack of self awareness is staggering.
Didn’t we hit 3.5% with the 2020 protests in the US?
Yes. It was the largest protest movement in US history and it did precisely nothing to stop police brutality.
I think it did more than nothing but I wouldn’t consider it a full success. Many police departments reformed their policies and a lot of cops did quiet quitting which meant less policing for a while. But yeah those are small gains I’d say.
If anything it did less than nothing. The police are more militarised than ever.
Well, that was an ongoing process already. I think in the hypothetical where the protests never happened, we’d probably be even further along in that way.
Maybe, but it’s an unprovable counterfactual. It’s certainly rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Yeah that’s true.
While I do believe in this, a common point brought up about civil rights is everything that Malcolm X and the Black Panthers did around the same time. While peace wins hearts and minds, even just passive shows of force can dissuade hateful pushers of violence.
Even Gandhi didn’t just sit back; his operation broke laws in order to make a point.
Also tomorrow’s protest ain’t the one to pop off on. Gotta think tactically