More than 700 Marines based out of the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center in California have been mobilized to respond to the protests in Los Angeles, according to three people familiar with the matter, and will join the thousands of National Guard troops who were activated by President Donald Trump over the weekend without the consent of California’s governor or LA’s mayor.
  • @null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    5•10 days ago

    I don’t really understand. Your statement seems to be the same as the one you’re responding to.

    The status quo has changed dramatically, because a bunch of voters were too apathetic to vote for Harris.

    • @A7thStone@lemmy.world
      2•10 days ago

      My assertation is that it wasn’t the progressives that failed to vote for Harris because of some failed purity test. It was moderates who were too I’ll informed to realize trumplethinskin was going to change the status quo, so they didn’t vote out of apathy.

      • Optional
        4•10 days ago

        You’re suggesting there’s proof that Harris was too moderate to distinguish herself from trump in many voters’ eyes.

        And I’m saying so-called progressives - with many representatives holding forth here at the time and still to this day - were saying they absolutely refuse to vote for Harris because she wasn’t progressive enough.

        I’m just not buying the former argument. I know moderates and none of them were confused by how bad trump was. trumps campaign was every bit as chaotic and bonkers as his administration proved to be. It just doesn’t wash that people were fooled into thinking a SECOND trump administration would be the same as a Democratic one.

        • @A7thStone@lemmy.world
          1•9 days ago

          Well I’m glad you know who to blame with your anecdata. That’s the important part having decided it’s the others fault and going all I’m on blaming them, rather than looking at the actual numbers and trying to come up with a solution. The numbers do say differently though, but by all means continue to go through your life basing your ideas on anecdotes you’ve gleaned from online and personal interactions.

          https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-nonvoters-policy-preferences/

          • Optional
            1•9 days ago

            Ah yes the critical hit of someone writing a number down on a piece of paper. Let’s go to the tape:

            But wait, does all this mean that nonvoting Democrats stayed home in 2024 because Democrats’ policies were too progressive? Not necessarily; while the CES data gives us the ability to judge issue preferences, we can’t use it to determine issue salience. That is, we don’t know which issues were most important to voters nor even if candidates’ issue positions were important factors in nonvoters’ decision to sit out the election.

            That seems less sure than you’re making it out to be. I wonder what the next sentence is.

            We should also be careful not to extrapolate too much about the implications of these results for whether Democrats should or should not have moderated their policy positions in different areas, since nonvoting Democrats overwhelmingly supported a range of views typically associated with progressives—such as support for banning assault rifles, believing that skin color gives whites an advantage, support for Medicaid expansion and infrastructure spending, and support for corporate tax hikes.

            Wow! that was a doozy of a sentence wasn’t it. It sure was. But no, by all means continue to believe that poll results are more true than people’s own words and the life experience of anyone. That is the quantitative mindset and many many enormous things have been built using it.

            For funsies - let’s see who participated in this poll you linked to here:

            A large portion of the CES respondents are YouGov panelists. These are people who have made an account on yougov.com to receive periodic notifications about new surveys. Others are recruited live from online advertisements or are recruited from another survey provider. Therefore, while panelists are prompted to participate in the CES, they opt-in to being a YouGov panelist.

            Yeah. You know a lot of progressives that sign up to receive political survey notifications do you? Well, if you did it would be irrelevant because a poll says different. Somewhere. Actually, it’s this very poll you cited. O Irony!