I have a deep hatred for modern designs. Especially Material and Adwaita. There’s SO. FUCKING. MUCH. WASTED. SPACE. Early 2000s Winamp on my 1024x768 monitor had more concise and legible information than Tidal and Spotify do on 1440p fullscreen. It legitimately pisses me off.
Win 11 is so bad. Right click sucks so bad now.
Win 10 start menu is the same. No I don’t want to search the Internet for apps I would open a browser for that, I would like to use the apps on my PC.
I have a 4k monitor, and some sites I still have to zoom out. I’ve gone through and set all my settings to small text, no UI scaling. But shit is fucking huge.
I think part of it is tablets and phones. Big areas for people’s fingers to touch.
You’re not wrong, as it’s your personal subjective experience, which can’t be wrong.
But the fact that it pisses you off implies that you don’t understand the reason behind it.
We used to have information-dense UIs before because:
devices used to have only large screens with lower resolution.
devices were used primarily be specialists for productivity.
Which means programs had to fit a lot of stuff in very few pixels. Nowadays, vast majority of users are casual, the people of the land, fatfingering their tiny displays. They don’t need a ton of buttons and sliders. In fact, a common user would get overwhelmed by all that, even on the desktop. And while a small amount of people would benefit from a denser UI for the same casual apps, it’s usually not with the effort designing and implementing them.
If that is the stated goal, then they have failed. Completely.
My father, who is a “man of the land”, has issues navigating most apps that don’t implement a bespoke, application-oriented UI. Most of them use Material UI, and all of them have big controls, huge margins and padding, unnecessary rounded corners, actions hidden in unlabelled menus, stuff that you have to swipe at to navigate (without showing any hint of it), and so much wasted space that the entire screen is occupied by two or three rows of controls. I use some of the same apps and even I feel that the design is hostile.
I think most people, including me, appreciate how it looks cleaner though. On Android I get you, they should allow custom themes, but for Linux you can easily swap to a more information dense one.
The problem with “cleanness” is that individual elements of a data structure more complex than a tiered list blend together without visual separation. It very quickly becomes illegible.
Well, you can switch to non-GTK applications but beyond that you can’t really get more information density into apps that follow the Adwaita design language. You can’t even really theme them.
I have a deep hatred for modern designs. Especially Material and Adwaita. There’s SO. FUCKING. MUCH. WASTED. SPACE. Early 2000s Winamp on my 1024x768 monitor had more concise and legible information than Tidal and Spotify do on 1440p fullscreen. It legitimately pisses me off.
fucking YES! just give me information dense uis please!!! The new intellij ui sucks and windows 11 too, for this reason
Win 11 is so bad. Right click sucks so bad now.
Win 10 start menu is the same. No I don’t want to search the Internet for apps I would open a browser for that, I would like to use the apps on my PC.
Just FYI if it every gets to be too much: Linux has gotten extremely easy to install, and KDE has gotten astonishingly polished.
Just convince my jackass boomer boss please.
Are the tools you need available on Linux? You could ask. Sometimes it works.
I have a 4k monitor, and some sites I still have to zoom out. I’ve gone through and set all my settings to small text, no UI scaling. But shit is fucking huge.
I think part of it is tablets and phones. Big areas for people’s fingers to touch.
You’re not wrong, as it’s your personal subjective experience, which can’t be wrong.
But the fact that it pisses you off implies that you don’t understand the reason behind it.
We used to have information-dense UIs before because:
Which means programs had to fit a lot of stuff in very few pixels. Nowadays, vast majority of users are casual, the people of the land, fatfingering their tiny displays. They don’t need a ton of buttons and sliders. In fact, a common user would get overwhelmed by all that, even on the desktop. And while a small amount of people would benefit from a denser UI for the same casual apps, it’s usually not with the effort designing and implementing them.
If that is the stated goal, then they have failed. Completely.
My father, who is a “man of the land”, has issues navigating most apps that don’t implement a bespoke, application-oriented UI. Most of them use Material UI, and all of them have big controls, huge margins and padding, unnecessary rounded corners, actions hidden in unlabelled menus, stuff that you have to swipe at to navigate (without showing any hint of it), and so much wasted space that the entire screen is occupied by two or three rows of controls. I use some of the same apps and even I feel that the design is hostile.
Is he also into discipline, with a Bible in his hand and a beard on his chin?
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I think most people, including me, appreciate how it looks cleaner though. On Android I get you, they should allow custom themes, but for Linux you can easily swap to a more information dense one.
The problem with “cleanness” is that individual elements of a data structure more complex than a tiered list blend together without visual separation. It very quickly becomes illegible.
Well, you can switch to non-GTK applications but beyond that you can’t really get more information density into apps that follow the Adwaita design language. You can’t even really theme them.
You can absolutely use custom GTK themes. I used WhiteSur theme for a while before switching back to default
Doesn’t that require extensions, which are only semi-supported?
No, just the GNOME Tweaks app. And extensions are fully supported in my experience, by the way
Tbh I love material design and adwaita, it looks great