i thought it was fantastic. lots of interesting moral questions get explored based on the premise. i cant think of any episode that didnt further the narrative. i dont think theyre keeping mystery up for mystery’s sake, you learn about the world as the main characters do. way better than spoon fed exposition dumps. the plots pretty simple: man wants to rescue wife. idk who said to watch it for the plot lol its everything else that makes it worthwhile entertainment
Except that Harbor was a known thing by several characters but we are intentionally kept in the dark for the sake of the plot. It was only a mystery to the innies and the audience. But since a large portion of the cast are executive outies, yes, it was mystery for the sake of the plot.
i shouldve said main character. also they said mystery for its own sake. mystery for the sake of the plot is not the same and also not inherently bad either
That doesn’t change what OP said. It’s still keeping up mystery for mystery sake. But if you want to nitpick, fine. Helena being “in or out” in the first few episodes was mystery for mystery sake too. The “mystery” is largely being lied too/kept in the dark, not being given a satisfying riddle.
If the mystery only exists because you deny the audience information the characters know, it’s not a mystery. It’s just slow lying.
its not nitpicking lol mystery for the plot is totally normal and completely different than what OC said. when would the characters that knew what cold harbor was have explained that? to each other? even though they already know what it is and know that the character theyre talking to knows what it is? thats called shitty writing. revealing it to the main character that doesnt know what it is is a logical point to also reveal that info to the audience. its not like they didnt show that when they were telling mark about it, in that case that would be actually denying the audience information.
and as i stated the plot isnt really much of a plot. man wants to rescue wife. its all the stuff inbetween that makes it great. im not really sure whats crawled up your ass about it lmao if you didnt like it cool
insert big thumbsup meme while the ppl who enjoy it have fun watching it
It’s really quite simple and doesn’t take a novel to understand.
When the audience is given all the same information as the characters and are trying to solve it at the same time as the characters, it’s a plot driven mystery.
When characters already know the answer and the audience is kept in the dark(especially with editing/cuts) until the last episode of the season, it’s mystery for mystery sake. If the plot can’t exist without intentionally keeping facts from the audience, it’s mystery for mystery.
There’s no harm in being Oceans 11. But don’t pretend this is something it’s not.
And just gotta say “man wants to rescue wife” is the most reductionist take on the plot and shows why you find what little that was there as satisfying. The “plot” is about a cult like company that does an insane medical procedure on its employees, and part of the plot is that they did it to a couple and reunited them. At least, that’s what we’re hunted at. It’s also about all we’re actually given.
i dont find much satisfying about the plot. i was being intentionally reductionist about it. “all of the stuff inbetween” i.e. the corpo cult, all of the ethical questions raised about severance and the human experience, the style, cinematography, tone etc is what makes it a great show.
when did mark find out what cold harbor was? when did the audience find out? crazy how that happens at the same time isnt it? if you like spoon fed exposition dumps more power to you
also i get the OC too. i watched s1 before it got big and had zero expectations and was pleasantly surprised. watching things is for sure different when theres a lot of hype. greatest show of all time? no. great show tho
i thought it was fantastic. lots of interesting moral questions get explored based on the premise. i cant think of any episode that didnt further the narrative. i dont think theyre keeping mystery up for mystery’s sake, you learn about the world as the main characters do. way better than spoon fed exposition dumps. the plots pretty simple: man wants to rescue wife. idk who said to watch it for the plot lol its everything else that makes it worthwhile entertainment
cant wait for the 3rd
Except that Harbor was a known thing by several characters but we are intentionally kept in the dark for the sake of the plot. It was only a mystery to the innies and the audience. But since a large portion of the cast are executive outies, yes, it was mystery for the sake of the plot.
i shouldve said main character. also they said mystery for its own sake. mystery for the sake of the plot is not the same and also not inherently bad either
That doesn’t change what OP said. It’s still keeping up mystery for mystery sake. But if you want to nitpick, fine. Helena being “in or out” in the first few episodes was mystery for mystery sake too. The “mystery” is largely being lied too/kept in the dark, not being given a satisfying riddle.
If the mystery only exists because you deny the audience information the characters know, it’s not a mystery. It’s just slow lying.
its not nitpicking lol mystery for the plot is totally normal and completely different than what OC said. when would the characters that knew what cold harbor was have explained that? to each other? even though they already know what it is and know that the character theyre talking to knows what it is? thats called shitty writing. revealing it to the main character that doesnt know what it is is a logical point to also reveal that info to the audience. its not like they didnt show that when they were telling mark about it, in that case that would be actually denying the audience information.
and as i stated the plot isnt really much of a plot. man wants to rescue wife. its all the stuff inbetween that makes it great. im not really sure whats crawled up your ass about it lmao if you didnt like it cool
insert big thumbsup meme while the ppl who enjoy it have fun watching it
It’s really quite simple and doesn’t take a novel to understand.
When the audience is given all the same information as the characters and are trying to solve it at the same time as the characters, it’s a plot driven mystery.
When characters already know the answer and the audience is kept in the dark(especially with editing/cuts) until the last episode of the season, it’s mystery for mystery sake. If the plot can’t exist without intentionally keeping facts from the audience, it’s mystery for mystery.
There’s no harm in being Oceans 11. But don’t pretend this is something it’s not.
And just gotta say “man wants to rescue wife” is the most reductionist take on the plot and shows why you find what little that was there as satisfying. The “plot” is about a cult like company that does an insane medical procedure on its employees, and part of the plot is that they did it to a couple and reunited them. At least, that’s what we’re hunted at. It’s also about all we’re actually given.
i dont find much satisfying about the plot. i was being intentionally reductionist about it. “all of the stuff inbetween” i.e. the corpo cult, all of the ethical questions raised about severance and the human experience, the style, cinematography, tone etc is what makes it a great show.
when did mark find out what cold harbor was? when did the audience find out? crazy how that happens at the same time isnt it? if you like spoon fed exposition dumps more power to you
also i get the OC too. i watched s1 before it got big and had zero expectations and was pleasantly surprised. watching things is for sure different when theres a lot of hype. greatest show of all time? no. great show tho