For my “convenience” and because in this way they can show ads and clickbait
Also: I SET A FUCKING GROUP POLICY THAT DISABLES THE SEARCH BAR; WHY THEY FUCKING IGNORE IT???
Classic microsoft move.
Linux has gotten great over the years and keeps improving while windows gets worse and worse every day. This has been going on for many years now.
I switched already and suggest you give it a shot as well. It’s honestly much easier than windows if you know the basics and understand how things are done there.
How is it for gaming?
Pretty damn good these days.
Not a gamer myself but from reading it used to be “this is a limited list of games that will work in Linux” and now it’s a “this is a limited list of games that will not work”, with a lot of thanks to valve, pop-os!, etc.
I have been a Linux gamer for the past 10 years. I haven’t booted into Windows to play a video game in 8.
When I started out, it was very much a question of “Here is the list of games that work on Linux.” You had to look for that Steam logo next to the Windows or sometimes Apple logo on the Steam page, and there are some games I would have played years earlier had that logo been there. With Proton, it has switched to “Here is a list of the games that don’t work on Linux.” Because most just do, with the very notable exception of competitive shooters, because something something anticheat.
I often hear that games actually run better on Linux than they do on Windows, except the newer whiz-bang features don’t work. Give a recent example, apparently Cyberpunk 2077 runs at a significantly higher framerate on Linux than Windows, but DLSS, HDR and RTX aren’t available.
Let me tell you the tales of two gamers on Linux:
My tale: I was disgusted with Windows 8.1, I had been learning some Linux because I wanted to use a Raspberry Pi with my ham radio stuff, so I went…why don’t I try switching? This was circa 2014. There was exactly one game in my Steam library that just could not be persuaded to run and that was Sleeping Dogs.
There have been a few games I’ve wanted to try that refused to run in some way or another; Heave Ho! by Devolver Digital…the demo ran fine, had a good time with it. Bought the game, and the UI on the player select screen didn’t work. Grow Up or Grow Home (one is a sequel to the other, I forget which it was) launched, but the character didn’t respond to any controls. Oh and Fallout: New Vegas launched one of those Windows-style autorun screens then asked me to put in the DVD. I bought it from Steam. And refunded it.
I generally avoid AAA games, I don’t play many online multiplayer games, I do play multiplayer games with friends, stuff like Stardew Valley or Unrailed, but I don’t go play with random people online, those just are not fun to me. I tend to prefer more indie stuff, more nerdy stuff, like I’ve got hundreds of hours in Factorio and Satisfactory, both work fine. I think it just so happens that I’m into games that are likely to be well supported on Linux. Antichamber, Firewatch, Hollow Knight, Return of the Obra Dinn, every Zachtronics game I’ve tried, Undertale, Subnautica, these all run great.
My cousin: had an aging Dell upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 on an “optane boosted” hard disk drive, starting to run pretty sluggish. Swapping out the hard disk and optane module for an SSD and attempting to install Win10 on bare metal just wouldn’t work, it kept throwing cryptic errors, so to get the machine to work at all I put Linux Mint on it.
She has more mainstream tastes than I do, lots of Bethesda and EA games. Funnily enough, I found that the third-party launchers were the real problem. The Sims 4 ran pretty well on Linux…Origin barely does. Minecraft support on Linux is actually worsening with time as a result of Microsoft’s involvement, but at least the Java edition does currently run.
In brief, I have observed a very stark inverse relationship between Linux compatibility of games, and the size/corporateness/evilness of the developer.
Luckily I don’t play multiplayer games online either. Losing DLSS is rough though
Owning a GTX-1080, I haven’t really noticed.
I’m not really worried about stuff like that because it’s a self-bootstrapping cycle. As more end users adopt Linux, more effort will be put into supporting it.
Between Steam’s Proton Compatibility Layer and Lutris, pretty damn fine.
Mildly inconvenient at worst unless certain anti cheat software is being used. At best, you can run games on Linux that your machine may not be able to handle on windows because distros that use more resources than windows are rare. Steam on Linux has proton built into it and it just works once you set it to run through it. You might have gpu driver trouble with Nvidia but it’s a maybe issue that happens less and less.
I play Baldurs Gate 3 on it and it turned out the issues I thought might be linux related were hardware, when I fixed it it worked perfectly.
Pretty great actually. Not as out of the box as on Windows but almost there. Firstly you get a vastly different experience depending on if you are using Steam. Since I have my entire library on Steam I can’t say anything about other stores. There’s imo 3 points where the experience still differs:
1 - you have to enable Proton as the default compatability tool, Valve has a guide for it and the setting is pretty straightforward to find.
2 - Most games just work now but a few don’t in those cases things like protondb.com are an enormous help.
3 - Mods are hit and miss (Steam Workshop works fine) depending on the game, for Cyberpunk for example I had to mess with the Proton Config a bit but there were guides for it. However since we are now in a niche of a niche (modding a game running proton) you’re likely to run into unexplored territory
Great, I play a lot on it and the only game I had to use windows for so far was titanfall 2 because it kept stuttering on linux and troubleshooting stutter is hard.
In my experience, much of the studdering comes from the desktop environments. If you’re using Gnome, try KDE or one of the others. If it changes then it’s probably the Compositor settings. It’s a pain but once you find the right settings, oh yeah it’s great
With the release of the steam deck Linux gaming has gotten a lot better and more support since their steam OS is a branch of Debian. A lot of games now support Linux gaming more than before.
It’s Arch based now
This is the way
Not every distro of Linux has gotten better, for the most part this comment is innacurate. That said, I have generally had the same experience here, but I use arch btw.
Downvoting the arch meme? Are the Linux people grumpy today?
We’re always grumpy at Windows people.
Also: I SET A FUCKING GROUP POLICY THAT DISABLES THE SEARCH BAR; WHY THEY FUCKING IGNORE IT???****
because you dont own your pc. microfrost does
The OS, not the PC.
The os controls the PC. As long as it’s running it’s controlling it
If you own a Microsoft product the technical own your balls, read the fine print
I should ask my friend in IT about this to confirm.
Just ask him to return your balls
Bad news. He won’t. :(
I am sure they just replaced the gpo with another one and accidentally forgot to carry over the setting.
They new one is totally better though and will improve your experience. You should configure it.
I switched to Linux after this sort of tricks.
They also will fuck with your “privacy and security settitings” on updates.
If you try blocking search and start pinging home. It will make windows endleally spazz which causes stuttering in games.
They forced me to switch to Linux pretty much
Thanks satya microshit…
Imagine treating a paying customer like this
One thing I did was go through hoops to disable the bing searches from the menu.
Instead I should have switched to linux long ago.
You paid for windows?
If you buy a computer with Windows, you’re paying for it as a part of the price.
People like you is why they do this shit in the first place. The entitlement of wanting products for free basically forces companies like Microsoft to become the huge advertisement pushing cunts that they are now.
Just to clarify. If you bought a device. The maker aka you paid a fee.
Person above either using water market version or pirated it but more likely got it pre installed
Either they don’t understand windows economics with that stupid “comment”
Windows 10 was a free upgrade from 7/8. 7/8 was a free upgrade from XP. I mean, XP was installed on something, but I certainly haven’t paid for windows in decades.
Apparently it’s still a thing:
https://www.techspot.com/news/100334-microsoft-closes-windows-7-11-free-upgrade-loophole.html
And if you think about it, why would private customers pay for windows, given it’s loaded with spyware? I’m already paying to use it with my data. No different than using google software.
Windows 7 and Windows 8 were definitely not free upgrades
You may be right. I seem to remember there being a free upgrade for the visually impaired, but I may be mistaken.
In any case, I haven’t paid since I first bought this PC, which I’ve continually upgraded for over a decade. Ship of Theseus, basically. IRC because I never bought windows 10, and windows 7 (xp?) licenses weren’t tied to the system, I just used that the one time it asked me to verify my license.
Seemed pretty obvious microsoft doesn’t actually care about individual users with custom built pcs. They make their money off desktop pc and laptop makers. That and increasingly advertising/data harvesting.
Must’ve been Win7. There were ways to upgrade certain 7 licenses to valid Win 8.x licenses (the infamous Windows 8.x with Media Center) that you could get if you had a viable Win7 license (anything except starter, basic and pro). Win 10 and 11 were free “upgrades” if you had a 7+ key
If you think that “private customers” have not paid for it… There is not much to discuss here chief
It’s never morally wrong to steal from a mega corporation.
They do it because of greed and the everlasting thirst of large companies to grow bigger and bigger.
They literally gave Windows 10 and 11 away for free if you had Windows 7 or 8.
Many if not most people pay for Windows in the form of licensing costs included in the price of a device, mainly laptops. Most laptops come with Windows preinstalled, and Microsoft earns with every laptop sold with Windows preinstalled. People building their own PC and getting an OEM key for cheap off of eBay or pasting a one-liner into PowerShell are the minority.
Do you really expect people to go out of their way to purchase a retail Windows license when they already have a perfectly valid and activated version of Windows preinstalled on their device?
And now that Windows 10/11 is a nice mix of adware, bloatware, nagware and spyware, do you really think it’s worth $199 (for the “Pro” version)?
It’s a business model Microsoft deliberately chose. Guess what? They were doing just fine before doing what they do now, despite of a few “software pirates”.
I’d happily pay even a subscription fee for Windows if Microsoft didn’t try to shove their crap down my throat every chance they get.
More and more I am considering taking a vacation with the specific goal of migrating to Linux. I’ve got decades old workflows linked to certain programs and tools that I know for sure only exist in Windows, so I’ll likely have to still run it in a VM for those, but my system setup is just kinda the place I call home the most, yet my patience for all this nonsense is rapidly declining.
Do it, my friend. I took the leap ~5 years ago and have not once regretted it. You’re right, you have Wine and Windows VMs available, if need be. But, honestly, I bet you end up replacing those work flows with better ones within Linux before long.
I mean, I’d like to. But some of my work requires me to use stuff like Adobe products and I find it massively easier to keep up to date with what these tools can do, if I can just muck around in my private projects (I actually care about) and then transfer the knowledge to my work stuff. I’ll mull the idea some more time. Not really interested in dual booting at all, though that might be a solid solution, but windows simply deciding to kill everything else, even if its on a different disk entirely is not a prospect I relish.
If its for work I would suggest picking a “stable” distribution like Debian, Kubuntu or OpenSuse.
A lot of people recommend Arch or Fedora but the focus of those is getting the very latest releases, which increases your chance of stuff breaking.
I would also suggest looking at the KDE Desktop, many distributions default to Gnome but it is unique in how it works, KDE (or XFCE) will provide a desktop similar to Windows 11.
Lastly I would suggest looking at Crossover Linux by Codeweavers.
Linux has something called WINE, its an attempt to implement the Windows 95 - 11 API’s so windows applications can run on linux.
WINE is how the Steam Deck/Linux is able to play Windows games. Valve embedded it into Steam and called it “Proton”.
WINE is primarily developed by Codeweavers and they provide the Crossover application that makes setting up and running a Windows application really easy.
People will mention Lutris but that has a far higher learning curve.
There is an application database so you can see in advance if your applications would work: https://appdb.winehq.org/
Thanks for the long response. I was thinking Mint maybe, had some experience with it a few years ago. But it’d replace both my private and work stuff over, so some gaming, too (mainly through steam). Stability is key to me. My current Windows install hasn’t needed anything for 4 years or so, so I’m absolutely not going for Arch. I need this stuff daily, I cannot waste time trying to troubleshoot for hours or relying on backups, etc.
I know it has a shitty “95-ish” look to it, but https://distrowatch.com/ is quite possibly your best resource in finding out at a glance which of the distros you’re interested in are stable or rolling, and how popular they are. Go down the page hit ranking on the right, and start clicking: you will see the root build of every distro, whether it’s stable or rolling, the last release date, links to reviews, etc.
It won’t get you to your final decision, but it will get you to a shortlist. And then you can start making LiveUSB sticks to test drive your distros of choice in RAM without having to install anything. There are very few distros that require a full install to try out; if you run into one you can always use old hardware or a spare disk, etc. Mint has a LiveUSB of all its DE choices, Pop!OS has a LiveUSB, you just need the USB sticks and something like Rufus to make them with, and you’re ready to test drive.
Well worth the trouble, IMO. Good luck.
Yeah I honestly wouldn’t use Arch or indeed any rolling release distro for any machine that’s used for revenue. Go with a stable release distro. Mint is one of the very few I even bother considering, there’s a reason it’s been as popular as it has for so long.
Mint was a reaction to Gnome 3, the unique workflow upset a lot of people and the people behind Mint decided to build Cinnamon desktop (its Gnome 3 made to look/work like Gnome 2). They needed a distribution to build/test their work and so based a distribution off of Ubuntu and called it Mint.
As a bit of explanation, there are only a few projects which attempt to build an entire linux distribution from scratch. This involves finding code from thousands of sources, work out packaging, etc… We call these ‘base’ distributions, Debian is the base distribution for Ubuntu, Ubuntu is the base distribution for Mint.
Ubuntu tends to be slightly ahead of Debian in the software versions it uses and automatically enables the ‘non-free’ repositories. Ubuntu tends to push some Canonical specific things like Snaps (which everyone hates)
I believe Mint rolls the Canonical specific things out of Ubuntu and you get the latest version of Cinnamon.
Its all a bit…
As someone who is currently in the process of moving everything to Linux, this is a genuinely helpful comment. I have it saved now, lol. Thank you for taking the time to write this out, much appreciated.
Apart from Wine, Proton also includes some other stuff that helps gaming.
Also here is the Proton comparability site: https://www.protondb.com/
There might not be a Linux native version of the adobe products available but theres a fun script that lets it run from what I experienced flawlessly on several distributions
Could you give more info on that?
https://github.com/LinSoftWin/Photoshop-CC2022-Linux A good friend of mine as recommended this to me and for what I care it works pretty well For the others I just used wine and the normal installer and they worked but without GPU acceleration
Thanks! I’ll give it a try next time I have time to spend in front of my own computer (not anytime soon…)
windows simply deciding to kill everything else, even if its on a different disk entirely is not a prospect I relish.
I’ve been dual booting for almost ten years and distro hopped a fair bit and never had that happen. Not once ever. I’ve screwed up my fair share of installs too. I think it’s one of those things that used to be a problem 20+ years ago, but is now basically a meme.
I’m a fan of Linux, but my personal experience was filled with headaches on how to solve compability issues. It’s just a pain that some things don’t work as well as they used to with a clean windows install. So I traveled from Windows to Debian to Dualboot (win/debian) to Windows. And tbh I never looked back since then. Took too much time just to keep things running properly.
If you depend on Adobe products I would at least opt for Dualboot if I were you. Otherwise you have no safe option to return to if things don’t seem to work out as you wished.
Best of luck. I can’t go back to windows any more. Well, I still dual boot for one game and the digital features of my national ID cause OF COURSE that software is windows only. 😒
In case you didn’t know or haven’t tried yet: AusweisApp2 does exist for Linux. But I assume, like me, you tried unsuccessfully already. For me, the Linux drivers of my card reader don’t work…
I think we’re both German. My ID doesn’t have that yet, I dread the day where I can’t renew it without all that nonsense.
I’m not German, so I need explaination.
Germany introduced some digital ID functionality so you can do certain things online rather than having to go talk to someone in person, but that means that your ID isn’t just a card anymore but has some digital elements to it as well. And apparently the apps to use that stuff are Windows based.
Come on. Join the dark side. We have cookies.
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I did the switch twenty years ago, starting with dual-boot and Wine. Nowadays dual-boot is gone and I never use Wine outside of gaming.
It would be nice if lemmy made it easy to create a community or such for every program and let people join to collect the necessary knowledge together.
But once you have tweaked things a bit, a new home is surprisingly quickly found. I mean, i know what you mean. But in the end, like or dislike boils down to a few basics and the rest accumulates over time.
You’ll be surprised how much you can do with wine and mono. But even so, switching and getting a vm is a viable option
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I switched to Linux when the “We’ve scheduled your free update to Windows 10!”-like popup started appearing again and again on my Win7 machine even though I disabled it. I didn’t like not having a choice and they only got worse from there. Meanwhile, you have full control over every part of a Linux system. You can even uninstall the update manager if you feel like it.
They’re getting there with windows 11… first it was ‘hey you’re compatible with windows 11’ now they’ve stepped up to a full screen non-skippable screen a big ‘upgrade to windows 11’ but still with a button to stay on windows 10 hidden in the corner. It’s only a matter of time before that button disappears.
I tried the Win11 compatibility app once, it said i wasn’t compatible due to some BIOS settings I needed to change. Nah, I’m good, and it hasn’t bugged me to upgrade since.
I made mine deliberately incompatible by disabling the fTPM but started getting the upgrade prompts recently.
But that would upset Pacman and you don’t want to upset Pacman, do you?
Remove the update manager? Remove the bootloader and all kernels if you want to - you might if you’re preparing a container image, it won’t stop you. Remove glibc and init? Fine, if that’s what you want - might have no need for those if you’re prepping it up for embedded.
The price of having a computer that does exactly what it’s told is that you have to know what to tell it. But that’s well worth while.
the fact they did this on ltsc as well is insane
definitely insane to do this on LTSC
Makes me worried what Microsoft force onto us next.
Advertising in the explorer, personalised by the files you’re looking at
I doubt that they would go that far for ltsc. But maybe windows store?
they don’t care, they will put it everywhere they can.
While that is true for normal user versions. But do you really think that for enterprise?
Not to mention that ltsc is enterprise with less features for stability. We don’t have windows store, Cortana or even edge.
if it can add an extra buck to the enterprise profits they will go the extra mile to get that buck
Or on znls. It’s ridiculous
When using Microsoft products and accepting their incomprehensible terms and conditions, you have no say and your opinion doesn’t matter.
Group policy doesn’t matter, domain administrator, GPO rules, all of it- none of it matters.
You’ll get dogshit and you will like it. (Friendly reminder that it was extremely overpriced also) That’s the tax you pay for being in their horrible, horrible “ecosystem” from hell. Enjoy! Grease up or take it dry, you’re “taking it” either way.
you pay for windows? fuck its been decades since I’ve done that. I’d be quite displeased with Windows if I had to purchase it.
PC people: Many of you are now realizing what “Windows as a Service” means. Your OS is harvesting every bit of your data and sending it back to the MS Mothership.
And you’re kind enough to pony up the cash to supply the hardware for it to run on.
Doesn’t detract from the point whatsoever. Exactly what the Linux fanboys were always made fun of for is what’s happening. It’s heading exactly where Stallman has always warned.
What they’re made fun of for is never shutting up about how superior they are.
i mean at this point it’s more of a collective disbelief that people continue to punch themselves in the stomach when it’s perfectly possible to simply not do so
OK.
This is like making fun of someone for getting into Harvard. I’m sure they’ll survive.
Which is funny because the original comment doesn’t mention Linux or Arch at all.
It doesn’t, but unless they’re a Mac user, and I don’t see them on Lemmy shitting on Windows all the time, there’s only one other option.
“Using Gentoo on 4 different architectures” bar is not here because other bars would be invisible if it was.
I use arch btw
yup it’s true
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See that’s the elephant in the room: you think it’s your personal computer. Microsoft thinks it’s their personal computer.
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The difference between a PC and a console is how open source the OS is
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I wanna make the jump to Linux. I worry about it but maybe there’s a good video tutoral somewhere on it.
It’s something you should just try and not worry too much about. If things go wrong you can always go back to windows.
But don’t you want to have what I’ve come to enjoy: Printer roulette?
Win, “printer”, enter…come on Printer and Scanner control panel, baby wants a new printer queue to kill that stuck job…dammit edge, no I don’t want to search bing for an inkjet.
Win, “printer”…, enter…come on Control Panel, you can do it…HP Smart Panel, you piece of crap
It amazes me that print management continues to be so spectacularly bad in Windows. It’s been terrible since my first days using Win 3.1 and it has never gotten better.
Use power toys search, it’s so much better. Fuck windows on general
Windows, on my work computer, decided Monday morning was a good time to turn my default pdf reader to Microsoft Edging. Turns out you can’t delete Edging from add or remove programs.
ah i got that too!! I thought it was because monday i updated foxit reader and then for some reason it gave back the default to edge! Instead it was edge that took it back by force without my consent!
They are edging you without consent.
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Ooh microshaft, noo stop
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foxit reader
That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. I didn’t realise it was still around!
i’m up to using any alternative that isn’t adobe or edge as my default :)
I tried sumatrapdf but while was extremely fast to start, it was too “simple” for me, i need better printing support
i don’t really like foxit reader, they try to push a demo install of the pro version on each update
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You should try Okular. It’s on the Microsoft Store.
That looks nice, I remember that from the time I tried kubuntu
Doesn’t Okular depend on KDE Frameworks? Didn’t know they can run on Шindows.
nice program but it has the print dialog from win95 :( (understandably, because it’s mainly a ported linux program), i need something like “booklet”, a preview because auto portrait/landscape is always conflicting with the print driver and zoom/adapt
Search for ‘change default apps’ and move it back to your favorite program, or right click the pdf -> properties -> change program
Same here
Welcome to Windows update. Where they revert any settings you make to the OS that won’t benefit them.
Same with ‘compatibility telemetry runner’ after every update I have to disable it and delete the .exe from system32. None of the permanently disable tricks work. Plus I always have to run “oo shutup” to disable the other privacy stuff. I wish I could switch to another is, but most of my software is windows only.
Let’s also not forget the update also installed fucking edge again even with registry keys telling it not to. Fuck Microsoft.
you must have meant legacy edge! But what about NEW edge??
-windows, probably
We had 1 edge but what about 2nd edge? Does he not know about 2nd edge?
Wait … I can remove Edge?
That bloated pile of trash needs to die.
Yeah use this, follow the directions:
https://gist.github.com/ave9858/c3451d9f452389ac7607c99d45edecc6
Then clean up remnants with Bulk Crap Uninstaller. https://www.bcuninstaller.com/
If it still persists as a last ditch resort, use: https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge
^This finally did it for me. The latest update didn’t allow my uninstall value key to uninstall it, but his stuff force uninstalled it finally.
BCU is exactly what I’ve been looking for!
“I installed malware on my computer and now the malware does what the author of the malware wants.”
Oh no. Anyway…
Ladies and gentlemen, a prime example of exactly why people don’t switch to Linux.
The loudest portion of the community are insufferable twats, and you know it’s bad because I’m an insufferable twat and I’m calling this one out on it.
Most of the Linux communities are the same.
often the content isn’t even related to Linux it’s just tirades of anger against corporations. Doesn’t even have to be Microsoft, any commercial that dares make any move in the Linux space - Canonical, red hat, oracle get derided too.
“Proposers of a piece of free and open source software, an ideology created by an anarchist-socialist software engineer, tend to lean left on the political spectrum. More news at 11…”
Not to forget this is Lemmy which has a development leadership so left leaning that the CIA are likely already working on regime destabilisation
To be fair, Oracle seems to be ridiculed by everyone.
Yeah, but, DAE LE WINDASS WINDOWNS BAD??! LOL LE MICRO SHIT USERS LOLOLOL XD XD EGGS DEE MI$RO$OFT IS BIL GAETS DIK JOKE. Seems perfectly welcoming to me, especially the heavy insinuation that absolutely everything is PEBKAC, even if you’re on a fresh install of something allegedly intended for mainstream - following verbatim, explicitly appropriate instructions. If you’re really lucky, someone might deign to link you an LMGTFY.
This stuff truly has helped make Desktop Linux a force to be reckoned with over the years. So much so that Year of Desktop Linux has been… pretty much every year of the past 20, I think.
On Windows, we all know it’s spackled together shit with shoe strings, spit and duct tape - probably still involving some tech out of the 70s-80s or at least tech debt from back then. We tend to not pretend it’s flawless because no software is.
People like OP install obviously shit software and then whine on the Internet about how shit the software is they chose.
People like you cry about that someone points out how it’s obviously their own fault entirely.
I’m pretty sure I’m not the most insufferable twat in this thread. Not even close.
You may not even want to hear it because you’re obviously so far up your own ass that you wouldn’t be able to but:
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Most computers ship with Windows installed, maybe they didn’t “choose” anything
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There are a lot of people who need to use Windows professionally, Linux is not always a viable alternative at all
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People are allowed to prefer Windows for their own reasons and still complain about the shit MS pulls off without immediately being attacked for “installing malware”
maybe they didn’t “choose” anything
They chose a computer with Windows preinstalled.
There are a lot of people who need to use Windows professionally, Linux is not always a viable alternative at all
You misunderstand. I’m not saying don’t use Windows. I’m saying don’t use Windows and then whine about it later. If you have a job that requires you to use Windows and you have a problem with using Windows, go complain to your manager, not some strangers on the Internet, they can’t help you.
People are allowed to prefer Windows for their own reasons and still complain about the shit MS pulls off without immediately being attacked for “installing malware”
People are allowed to prefer Windows no question, but somehow they’re always surprised that an operating system, that is generally known for performing actions from which MS profits, performs actions from which MS profits. And then they go cry on the Internet about it like dealing with this wasn’t the consequence of their own actions. And then they’re surprised they get ridiculed for being ridiculous.
You keep talking about choice even though there isn’t one for many people. And why wouldn’t they be allowed to whine about it? To call out MS for their constant bullshit is absolutely the right thing to do imo.
Your initial comment was not only incredibly condescending and presumptuous but doesn’t help anyone. And it’s also absolutely the last thing people wanna hear who keep getting invaded like that by MS all the time. So you kinda deserve the backlash, sorry you don’t see that.
To call out MS for their constant bullshit is absolutely the right thing to do imo.
The post quite literally says “WHY THEY ****ING IGNORE IT???”. That’s not calling out MS for their bullshit. That’s asking why MS would do MS bullshit, to which the obvious answer is “because they’re MS”, hence my comment
You keep talking about choice even though there isn’t one for many people.
May I point out the part where I said, that if you’re forced to use Windows then maybe you should complain to the people who force you, not random people on the Internet, who are not responsible for your problems.
Your initial comment […] doesn’t help anyone.
Then it was right on topic. 🤷♂️
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As someone who just wandered into this thread - yes, you are by far the most insufferable poster on this thread so far. Worse than many other vegetarians in fact.
Vegetarians? Are you sure you’re doing alright? This is a discussion about software, not beef and lettuce, buddy.
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Preach, lemmy user was mean to me so ill stick to my os lmao? Enjoy
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More like “My computer came with malware and I’m starting to realise that’s what it is” in most cases.
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i agree with your contention, but sadly many are forced to use windows for work or school.
Never had anything like that happen to me and I’ve got four windows 11 computers and one windows 10.
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Well, congratulations, but “works on my machine” is not exactly the best argument when it comes to software.
Neither is “I had a bad experience because I don’t know how it works.”
I agree, but what to do when people give up so easily on Linux when hitting their first bump. 🤷♂️
Why are you talking about Linux in the first place? Nothing pointed to this discussion being about Linux, or maybe you’re so used to Linux users having nothing to talk about except “DAE Windows bad” that you thought you were on the Linux meme community?
Why are you talking about Linux in the first place?
I assumed your last message was about Linux, since it’s not exactly hard to understand how Windows works. 30 years of technical debt with a new UI every now and then, so they can give a reason why they are reselling the same software over and over again, combined with the effort to squeeze every bit of possible profit out of their user base, e.g. through ads, selling data gathered from their user base and possibly even silently postponing fixes for gaping security holes, so e.g. Antivirus companies have a reason to exist.
You can’t possibly believe MS does all the bullshit they do with the user in mind? No user ever said “Please let the next overhyped Candy-Crush-esque game pop up in my start menu automatically” or “Please randomly enable this useless search bar during an update” or “Please give me this piece of software with full control over every digital step I take, but don’t you dare tell me what it does in detail.” And the best part is the users even pay to have this software on their machine.
having nothing to talk about except “DAE Windows bad”
You do realize the topic of this thread is “Windows bad” right? Maybe read the post again?
Read again, I’m saying you assumed this conversation was about Linux because Linux people have nothing to talk about expect how they hate Windows, I didn’t say this conversation wasn’t able Windows being bad, I said it wasn’t about Linux in the first place but just like vegans or people who do CrossFit, you guys can’t help bringing everything back to your own field of interest no matter if people opened the door to it or not.
